Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Well you did not ask me how I feel about Kopecky. You can ask Doggy, HR40, Hockey Matters, and etc. I can not stand him taking up space on our roster. I would rather have Helm, Leino, and Drake on our 4th line. Once again, all 3 players have more talent than "you know who." If it's a guy like Drake or Helm, I'll take them over an enforcer too, just because they can play just as physical, and add more aspects. Glad to know your not a Kopecky guy either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Does this enforcer has speed? Can he play 2 way hockey? I don't care, it's just one roster spot on the freaking 4th line. Even Probert didn't have speed or 2 way hockey, and he's probably as talented an enforcer as the league has ever had. Your idea of an enforcer is an impossible one. Mine only involves taking one roster spot on the 4th line away from a useless hack, and giving it to a tough guy. That shouldn't ruffle any feathers or spoil team chemistry, at least it didn't last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 If it's a guy like Drake or Helm, I'll take them over an enforcer too, just because they can play just as physical, and add more aspects. Glad to know your not a Kopecky guy either I think I said somewhere in the past I would personally drive his ass to the airport or box him up and send him to Abu Dabi like Garfield does with Nermal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I don't care, it's just one roster spot on the freaking 4th line. Even Probert didn't have speed or 2 way hockey, and he's probably as talented an enforcer as the league has ever had. Your idea of an enforcer is an impossible one. Mine only involves taking one roster spot on the 4th line away from a useless hack, and giving it to a tough guy. That shouldn't ruffle any feathers or spoil team chemistry, at least it didn't last year. Freaking 4th line? Draper plays on that 4th line. Helm plays on that 4th line. They are key guys to winning face offs. Do not give me this BS "1 roster spot on the 4th line." We already have someone wasting space on the 4th line and it is Kopecky. Lieno or Helm are a vast upgrade to Koper or "dare not to speak his name." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 True enforcers do still exist, and if we dressed one in place of some useless 4th liner like Kopecky, I don't see how that would lessen the Wings' greatness or skilled style in any way, especially since it happened only last year. The bottom line is that the Wings don't need an enforcer. Kenny's in the business of addressing legitimate needs and holes. He does this to make sure the team stays competitive. If, for example, we need a solid #3 d-man, he'll go out and get one because that's a hole that would likely be exploited to devastating effect in the postseason. The Wings' lack of "tough guys" is not as serious a hole. It's something the opposition always talks about in the playoffs and vows to exploit -- but in the end, the opposition usually realizes s***-stirring is not the way to beat this team. Skill, strong two-way play, puck-possession, chemistry, class -- these are the cornerstones of this Wings' team and its success. Goonery is not part of the plan, as Downey's complete absence from the playoff roster last season illustrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) Hell, if Downey was such a great player, he would be taking Kopers spot which he isn't. That tells you a lot right there. And does not say much for Downey's "supposed" talent being claimed by some members here who would bend over and grab their ankles at 1st site. Edited April 25, 2009 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I don't care, it's just one roster spot on the freaking 4th line. Even Probert didn't have speed or 2 way hockey, and he's probably as talented an enforcer as the league has ever had. Your idea of an enforcer is an impossible one. Mine only involves taking one roster spot on the 4th line away from a useless hack, and giving it to a tough guy. That shouldn't ruffle any feathers or spoil team chemistry, at least it didn't last year. You wouldn't know it by the way you guys get all in a lather about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 You wouldn't know it by the way you guys get all in a lather about it. Something like this? One hell of a playoff beard I do say... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Hell, if Downey was such a great player, he would be taking Kopers spot which he isn't. That tells you a lot right there. And does not say much for Downey's "supposed" talent being claimed by some members here who would bend over and grab their ankles at 1st site. I never said that Downey is talented. Kopecky doesn't deserve a roster spot over him. As for a guy like Leino, he's a skilled player, which to me means he doesn't belong on the 4th line. If he can't crack the top 3 lines, maybe he shouldn't be a regular on the roster unless there's injuries. The 4th line isn't for someone like Leino. The 4th line is for grit, checking, toughness and fighting. Downey does all those things. Helm can do most of them, as can Draper (although he's had an off year). In the future, I want to see more toughness on our 4th line when Maltby and Draper are gone. Leino playing on the 4th line would be a waste of his talent, and Kopecky is a waste, period. Thus, I want Helm and two other gritty players, preferably fighters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I honestly don't think you understand how this team works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 The 4th line isn't for someone like Leino. The 4th line is for grit, checking, toughness and fighting. Ol' Villie didn't seem to have much trouble scoring on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) I never said that Downey is talented. Kopecky doesn't deserve a roster spot over him. As for a guy like Leino, he's a skilled player, which to me means he doesn't belong on the 4th line. If he can't crack the top 3 lines, maybe he shouldn't be a regular on the roster unless there's injuries. The 4th line isn't for someone like Leino. The 4th line is for grit, checking, toughness and fighting. Downey does all those things. Helm can do most of them, as can Draper (although he's had an off year). In the future, I want to see more toughness on our 4th line when Maltby and Draper are gone. Leino playing on the 4th line would be a waste of his talent, and Kopecky is a waste, period. Thus, I want Helm and two other gritty players, preferably fighters. Well, you have your ideas of a 4th line and I have mine. Tkachuk-Roenick-Recchi or Helm-Leino-Draper Soap on a rope is your friend. Edited April 25, 2009 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I honestly don't think you understand how this team works. Sure I do. I just want to change one little thing about it on the 4th line. Call me picky, but what the hell, this is a discussion forum after all. Ol' Villie didn't seem to have much trouble scoring on it. That's not the point. I don't want to see scoring from our 4th line. I want to see some Hanson brother havoc. Well, maybe not that severe, but you get the idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Sure I do. I just want to change one little thing about it on the 4th line. Call me picky, but what the hell, this is a discussion forum after all. That's not the point. I don't want to see scoring from our 4th line. I want to see some Hanson brother havoc. Well, maybe not that severe, but you get the idea. Your idea of a 4th line goon: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 That's not the point. I don't want to see scoring from our 4th line. I want to see some Hanson brother havoc. Well, maybe not that severe, but you get the idea. *shrug* I just want them to win. If they're getting goals from the 4th line, that's good, and if they're getting big hits and tough play from the 4th line, that's OK too. Whatever brings in the Ws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Your idea of a 4th line goon: I wonder if Kopecky could take her in a fight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I wonder if Kopecky could take her in a fight? Question is would any man WANT to take her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) I just want to change one little thing about it on the 4th line. You want to add two fighters to it. That's a pretty big thing. And, by your own admission, that has more to do with you wanting to see the Wings fight than with genuinely improving this team. Every thing about every line matters if you're going to win the Cup. Right now (and for the last several seasons, really) all of those things add up to success. It's monumentally difficult to steal a win from this team, let alone take an entire series. That's why this team's the class of the league. Edited April 26, 2009 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Probably not and we'll end up with 1000 threads just like this next season discussing how soft the Red Wings are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Bleh... I hate when there is enough time between rounds for stupid, meaningless topics to surface. The Wings just took a younger, 'tougher' opponent and pounded them into the ground in 4 games. There were Blue Jacket bodies smashed into the boards all over the place... one got knocked so silly that he couldn't even stand up and had to sit on the ice dazed and confused. But yea... lets shake up the lineup and add more grit. Stellar plan. KENNY... GET IT DONE!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 The Wings showed they were gritty and tough last playoff run. They are doing the same up to this point in the playoffs. The Wings have grit. Grit doesn't solely mean punching somebody to sumbission or having an enforcer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 I know we have no problem playing the body but we need a fighter to stand up for Hank pavs, and nik sr. absolutely, and I think once some cap room is made the problem will be addressed, like last year when we won the Cup with Drake, McCarty, and Downey on the team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Hank and Pavs seem to be doing alright for themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 absolutely, and I think once some cap room is made the problem will be addressed, like last year when we won the Cup with Drake, McCarty, and Downey on the team What problem? And "on the team" is stretching it a bit the further along you get with that trio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Not really relevant to this thread, nor have I read anything in this thread. I just know that somewhere in here is a fight war and felt like putting this clip in. Fighting/fighters tend to bring/be energy guys. Since when is that a bad thing when done right? Talbot turned the tide with tussle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
