Ducks Top Line Vs 08 Pens Top line

[servo 15]

Everyone knows that the Ducks top line tore through the end of the regular season and the Sharks series.

When you compare and contrast the sure talent between the Ducks top line this year and last years Penguins team, IMO I think the Penguins had a better line. Prior to the SCF's they were explosive.

I'm not sure how if any comparisons can be drawn, but I'm pretty confident with our chances against the Ducks. Lidstrom and Z are going to be all over that line like they were with Crosby.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Crosby and Hossa scored a lot on the Wings last year.

[servo 15]

Crosby and Hossa scored a lot on the Wings last year.

Crosby scored 2 in game 3 and Hossa scored a total of 3 during the series. Thats a ton of talent for only 5 goals in 6 games. If you keep the Ducks first line to 5 goals or less the series is ours.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

If you keep the Ducks first line to 5 goals or less the series is ours.

I agree. My main point was that it's not realistic to anticipate the Ducks' big line being shut down, and that even though they did a great job against the Pens they still got their fair share of goals.

[Autika 34]

Crosby scored 2 in game 3 and Hossa scored a total of 3 during the series. Thats a ton of talent for only 5 goals in 6 games. If you keep the Ducks first line to 5 goals or less the series is ours.

I think he was being sarcastic.

[Echolalia 2,961]

The Ducks have more playoff savvy than the Pens did last year. They know how to rise to adversity when the bell rings, something the Pens struggled to do against the Wings.

[stormboy 47]

yeah, it's tough to say. different animals, IMO. it's a bit scary because getzlaf tore us up during the regular season.

then again, so did rick nash.

[Guest Four]

Wings have one of the best defensive cores and it's time to prove it.

We had a great three games against the Blue Jackets, now we need to stay steady and get the next 4 wings without feeling overconfident and breaking down. We have the power to beat ANY team.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Everyone knows that the Ducks top line tore through the end of the regular season and the Sharks series.

When you compare and contrast the sure talent between the Ducks top line this year and last years Penguins team, IMO I think the Penguins had a better line. Prior to the SCF's they were explosive.

I'm not sure how if any comparisons can be drawn, but I'm pretty confident with our chances against the Ducks. Lidstrom and Z are going to be all over that line like they were with Crosby.

Ryan Getlzaf: 6 foot 4, 221 pounds, 8 points in 6 games against Sharks

Corey Perry: 6 foot 3, 209 pounts, 4 points in 6 games against Sharks

Bobby Ryan: 6 foot 2, 208 pounds, 4 goals in 6 games against Sharks

You are not going to shut this line down. You have a better likelihood of minimizing their chances at home, but when in Anaheim, with the last change, they will get their big line out there against Lebda or Kronner and they will start their cycle and get their chances. We saw it 2 years ago. You saw it against the Sharks, especially in last night's game. They're too big and too strong to just think you are going to shut them down. They are talented and protect the puck well down low. And as for Ryan Getzlaf, this guy doesn't get the credit he deserves but he's one of the top 5 forwards in the entire league IMO. Plays all situations and is constantly amongst league leaders in points and he's just a kid as well. He's a beast of a hockey player.

For my part, I don't think we can shut them down so I put my stock elsewhere. I'm hoping more that we stand up for ourselves at each whistle and don't let them push us around yet don't take retaliatory penalties. I'm putting more stock into our being able to drive the net, get traffic and get some ugly goals like the Franzen winner in OT. I'm putting more stock into us playing physical, especially on D. I'm hoping Stuart and Ericsson and Kronner make impacts physically. Cleary, Helm, Maltby, those guys need to make an impact up front physically and we're going to need to get some goal scoring from Sammy, Hulder and Flip.

We do those things we can beat them. But we aren't going to shut down the Getzlaf line.

[toby91_ca 620]

Crosby scored 2 in game 3 and Hossa scored a total of 3 during the series. Thats a ton of talent for only 5 goals in 6 games. If you keep the Ducks first line to 5 goals or less the series is ours.

But Hossa and Crosby combined for 5 goals and 13 pts in the 6 games, I wouldn't say that was shutting them down entirely. Compare that to Zetterberg's and Datsyuk's 3 goals and 10 pts. What you can take from that though is that the Wings still went on to win and that's all that matters.

The Ducks top line can score a bit, but if they don't get much from other lines, they won't have much of a chance.

[VM1138 1,921]

We might not be able to hold their first line (I don't think we've been able to all season), but they can't win with just one line. So while their top line is scoring, 4 of ours will be outscoring them, which makes me happy.

[Heaton 1]

Ryan Getlzaf: 6 foot 4, 221 pounds, 8 points in 6 games against Sharks

Corey Perry: 6 foot 3, 209 pounts, 4 points in 6 games against Sharks

Bobby Ryan: 6 foot 2, 208 pounds, 4 goals in 6 games against Sharks

You are not going to shut this line down. You have a better likelihood of minimizing their chances at home, but when in Anaheim, with the last change, they will get their big line out there against Lebda or Kronner and they will start their cycle and get their chances. We saw it 2 years ago. You saw it against the Sharks, especially in last night's game. They're too big and too strong to just think you are going to shut them down. They are talented and protect the puck well down low. And as for Ryan Getzlaf, this guy doesn't get the credit he deserves but he's one of the top 5 forwards in the entire league IMO. Plays all situations and is constantly amongst league leaders in points and he's just a kid as well. He's a beast of a hockey player.

For my part, I don't think we can shut them down so I put my stock elsewhere. I'm hoping more that we stand up for ourselves at each whistle and don't let them push us around yet don't take retaliatory penalties. I'm putting more stock into our being able to drive the net, get traffic and get some ugly goals like the Franzen winner in OT. I'm putting more stock into us playing physical, especially on D. I'm hoping Stuart and Ericsson and Kronner make impacts physically. Cleary, Helm, Maltby, those guys need to make an impact up front physically and we're going to need to get some goal scoring from Sammy, Hulder and Flip.

We do those things we can beat them. But we aren't going to shut down the Getzlaf line.

Go watch some highlights of the '97 finals with Lidstrom against the unstoppable Legion of Doom line.

Zetterberg and Lidstrom will be out there against them 95% of the time. Getzlaf's line will get some points, but they can and will be shut down.

[edicius 3,269]

In reference to Bobby Ryan...didn't I hear somewhere that he might be injured? Wasn't sure if it was accurate.

[toby91_ca 620]

In reference to Bobby Ryan...didn't I hear somewhere that he might be injured? Wasn't sure if it was accurate.

Definately not 100%. He left game 5 early, but came back late in the game and played game 6.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Go watch some highlights of the '97 finals with Lidstrom against the unstoppable Legion of Doom line.

Zetterberg and Lidstrom will be out there against them 95% of the time. Getzlaf's line will get some points, but they can and will be shut down.

What does the Legion of Doom have to do with anything? Lidstrom and Zetterberg have already faced the Getzlaf line and how did that work out? Let me show you:

Last time we faced them we lost in 6 games. Getzlaf and Perry combined for 4 goals, 10 points and a +5.

hardly shutting them down. If you're putting your faith and hopes on us winning by "shutting down" their 1st line, I suggest you find something in addition to that to feel good about our you may be in for some disappointment.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

What does the Legion of Doom have to do with anything? Lidstrom and Zetterberg have already faced the Getzlaf line and how did that work out? Let me show you:

Last time we faced them we lost in 6 games. Getzlaf and Perry combined for 4 goals, 10 points and a +5.

hardly shutting them down. If you're putting your faith and hopes on us winning by "shutting down" their 1st line, I suggest you find something in addition to that to feel good about our you may be in for some disappointment.

Good point. And now they have Ryan on that line to boot.

Shutting down that line isn't just about 5 on 5, but also their deadly powerplay. San Jose had all kinds of fits against those players on the PP, and our PK has been s***ty all season and struggled late in the first round.

This is a cliche, but Ozzie will have to be our best penalty killer when those 3 players are on the ice for the PP. Don't forget they'll also have Pronger on the point, which is the kind of player we didn't have to worry about against Columbus.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Good point. And now they have Ryan on that line to boot.

Shutting down that line isn't just about 5 on 5, but also their deadly powerplay. San Jose had all kinds of fits against those players on the PP, and our PK has been s***ty all season and struggled late in the first round.

This is a cliche, but Ozzie will have to be our best penalty killer when those 3 players are on the ice for the PP. Don't forget they'll also have Pronger on the point, which is the kind of player we didn't have to worry about against Columbus.

And let's not forget the "X" factor. Scott Niedermayer is absolute trouble. If you watch the Ducks PP, you will see Niedermayer all over the friggin ice. One of the reasons why Getzlaf is manning the point alot is that if they do get Scott out there, he's roaming around like Mike Green does. Last night, on the PP goal from the Getzlaf shot at the point, Niedermayer was 10 feet out from the goal, screening as the high man.

You take that size and strength with Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan, add in 2 of the premier defense talents in the league, both of whom produce points and you have one of the superior 5 man PP units in the league. Now subtract 1 of your own players from the equation and face them 4 on 5 of 3 on 4 and imagine how difficult it is. Not too mention that your PK was atrocious this year and your overall defensive play slipped about 18 positions from last year, putting you in the bottom 1/3rd of the league.

I'm just hanging my hat on something other than shutting them down.

I am going to be looking for us to hit, to be effective on the PP, to crash the net, to screen and drive the net hard, to finish on the forecheck and get secondary scoring and to block shots and get quality saves.

I'm pretty much content to just figure the Getzlaf line is going to get theirs and not worry about it.

[Echolalia 2,961]

What does the Legion of Doom have to do with anything? Lidstrom and Zetterberg have already faced the Getzlaf line and how did that work out? Let me show you:

Last time we faced them we lost in 6 games. Getzlaf and Perry combined for 4 goals, 10 points and a +5.

hardly shutting them down. If you're putting your faith and hopes on us winning by "shutting down" their 1st line, I suggest you find something in addition to that to feel good about our you may be in for some disappointment.

Last time we faced them we had also just finished off an overtly physical Calgary followed by an oversized San Jose, and were down two of our top defensmen. Anaheim cruised through Minnesota and the Canucks, and it was just a matter of picking the Wings off when they were down (much like we did to Dallas last year). The Wings core was also two years younger, and two years less experienced than now. That might not mean much for Lids, who is about as playoff savvy as one can get, but for the younger folks like Kronwall, Franzen, Dats, Zetterberg, Hudler, Fillppula, etc, two years, including a Western Conference Finals loss to the team they're about to take on, no less, and a Stanley Cup Winning run is a hell of a lot of experience to gain.

You may be right. They might not be able to shut that line down. But if the Wings don't, it sure as hell isn't for the same reasons that they couldn't shut them down two years ago.

[RusDRW 155]

I think in this series everything is up to the Red Wings. If we will come out strong and determined we will win it no matter how dominant their first line will be.

[Vladifan 680]

Ducks have a scary 1st line. They are big and strong, but less skilled than Malkin and Crosby. Our boys will neutralize the Ducks scoring to a minimum.

Can't really compare the Malkin/Crosby line because Malkin played for s*** in that series. Some said he was ill; some said he just didn't come to play, put the point is he was not a factor on that line.

[Vladifan 680]

But Hossa and Crosby combined for 5 goals and 13 pts in the 6 games, I wouldn't say that was shutting them down entirely. Compare that to Zetterberg's and Datsyuk's 3 goals and 10 pts. What you can take from that though is that the Wings still went on to win and that's all that matters.

The Ducks top line can score a bit, but if they don't get much from other lines, they won't have much of a chance.

And this was because of our depth. That has to be an advantage against the Ducks and our boyz have to push that for all it's worth.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

What does the Legion of Doom have to do with anything? Lidstrom and Zetterberg have already faced the Getzlaf line and how did that work out? Let me show you:

Last time we faced them we lost in 6 games. Getzlaf and Perry combined for 4 goals, 10 points and a +5.

hardly shutting them down. If you're putting your faith and hopes on us winning by "shutting down" their 1st line, I suggest you find something in addition to that to feel good about our you may be in for some disappointment.

ok, the Getzlaf line and the Datsyuk line will get thier points and cancel each other out, but who, on the Ducks is gonna stop the Zetterberg and Filppula lines? Last time we faced them, we had Dats and Zetterberg on the same line. We didn't have Rafalski, Stuart a healthy Kronwall OR Marion Hossa and the new and improved Franzen,let alone a more experienced Hudler and Filppula. Getzlaf line will get thier points, but much like the Pittsburgh series, one line isn't gonna beat this Wings. And if it just so happens the Wings DO manage to shut Getzlaf down, bring out the brooms. (although on record I am not calling a sweep.)

PLUS, the Wings will not be intimidated what-so-ever. They are proven that the last 5 series. Every team, Nashville, Colorado, Dallas, Pittsburgh& Columbus have ALL tried to come out and intimidate them because they are a smal team. We see how that worked out for all of those teams.

PLUS compare Lidstrom - Markov, Quincey - Lebda, Lilja - Chelios to Lidstrom - Rafalski, Stuart - Ericsson, Kronwall - Lebda.

Its gonna be a different series and a MUCH different outcome.

[Dominator2005 558]

Everyone knows that the Ducks top line tore through the end of the regular season and the Sharks series.

When you compare and contrast the sure talent between the Ducks top line this year and last years Penguins team, IMO I think the Penguins had a better line. Prior to the SCF's they were explosive.

I'm not sure how if any comparisons can be drawn, but I'm pretty confident with our chances against the Ducks. Lidstrom and Z are going to be all over that line like they were with Crosby.

Only difference is on DEFENCE Einstein...

[DatsMyWings13 4]

Facing that line should prove to be a real challenge but I think the Wings will be up for it. I'm hoping for some entertaining games.

Go Wings!

[Jocke 53]

If we get Playoffs-Ozzie, we will win,

if we get Regular-Season-Ozzie then we will not..

Edited April 28, 2009 by Jocke