Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted May 11, 2009 You listen to too many commentators. So, diving is dishonorable, but hooking and holding isn't? Diving is a way of trying to even some of that crap out. If the refs would call the games in the playoffs like they do in the regular season.....then you wouldn't see the diving. If the refs aren't going to call the stuff, then you will continue to see players do this in an attempt to get the refs to call it. Remember this.....When a player dives, he is diving for a reason. Usually because a player is hooking, holding etc.... Just because he doesn't fall down, shouldn't mean it doesn't get called, but that's what seems to happen in the playoffs. I just think this whole....calling someone dishonorable for diving crap is lame. Second, how do we know when a player is truely diving? Sometimes a player loses an edge, and it looks like he is diving.....and it happens at a time he is being hooked, tripped, slashed etc.... Just sayin, it is awful hard most of the time to determine when someone is diving. When you say someone is diving....it is all at someones discretion, and when you leave it up to someones judgement there are usually differing opinions. It just makes it really difficult. But I have noticed that you are one poster who seems to be a little more on the negative side (when discussing the wings) than most on here. Why is that? Are you always a glass half full guy, or are you just not a big wings fan? I know, I know.....let me guess.....Your a realist, right? Realist? I suppose. I prefer the terms non-homer or objective. And I must say I totally disagree with you. As in 100% disagree with you. Hooking and holding are not dishonorable. They are infractions. Sometimes they are called and sometimes they are not. Much like a punch to the head a cross check or a slash, sometimes they are called and sometimes they are not....even if the ref sees them. Diving IMO disrespects the game and disrespects your opponent. Somebody ******* taps you lightly and you fall to the ice like you've taken a 44 Magnum slug to the chest? What the f*** is that? That's disrespectful. That's beyond cheating. Franzen writhing around on the ice like a little girl after Getzlaf love tapped him with the back side of his glove. Are you kidding me? No wonder Getzlaf was telling him to "get up". That was embarrassing. Hossa falling over like a cheap Chinese school in an earthquake. Hossa is probably one of the strongest men on skates I have ever seen and he's taken 2 dives already this series. Hudler last night against Getzlaf. No wonder Getlzaf is so ******* pissed off. Hudler feels Getzlaf breathing on him and the next thing you know Hudler is falling down, sliding all over the ice. Look, every team dives at some point to draw a call. Lots of players do it. Personally, I fecking hate it. I think it's totally disrespectful to the game. You don't see Getzlaf falling all over the ice do you? I don't remember Yzerman flailing around whenever somebody touched him. My complaint about this doesn't make me "not a big Wing's fan". Quite the contrary. I love the Wings so much that it pains me to see them diving around like this. I find it embarrassing to the game and to the sweater they are wearing. PS: Who the s*** are you? I've never even heard of you so don't bother with the thinly veiled shots at my loyalty or the armchair psychotherapist crap rookie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 This guy falls 1, 2, 7 times on any given shift. He gets the puck, skates up the boards, gets touched with a stick; he falls. He gets bumped by an opposing player; falls. He gets off of the bench and starts skating; falls. I don't think I've ever seen someone spend so much time on the ice (no, literally, laying on the ice) in my life. Maybe they should fill his skates up with some cement and make him like one of those punching bags that always bounces back up no matter how many times you knock it down.. the you deffinitly have not seen me skate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 (edited) Realist? I suppose. I prefer the terms non-homer or objective. And I must say I totally disagree with you. As in 100% disagree with you. Hooking and holding are not dishonorable. They are infractions. Sometimes they are called and sometimes they are not. Much like a punch to the head a cross check or a slash, sometimes they are called and sometimes they are not....even if the ref sees them. Diving IMO disrespects the game and disrespects your opponent. Somebody ******* taps you lightly and you fall to the ice like you've taken a 44 Magnum slug to the chest? What the f*** is that? That's disrespectful. That's beyond cheating. Franzen writhing around on the ice like a little girl after Getzlaf love tapped him with the back side of his glove. Are you kidding me? No wonder Getzlaf was telling him to "get up". That was embarrassing. Hossa falling over like a cheap Chinese school in an earthquake. Hossa is probably one of the strongest men on skates I have ever seen and he's taken 2 dives already this series. Hudler last night against Getzlaf. No wonder Getlzaf is so ******* pissed off. Hudler feels Getzlaf breathing on him and the next thing you know Hudler is falling down, sliding all over the ice. Look, every team dives at some point to draw a call. Lots of players do it. Personally, I fecking hate it. I think it's totally disrespectful to the game. You don't see Getzlaf falling all over the ice do you? I don't remember Yzerman flailing around whenever somebody touched him. My complaint about this doesn't make me "not a big Wing's fan". Quite the contrary. I love the Wings so much that it pains me to see them diving around like this. I find it embarrassing to the game and to the sweater they are wearing. PS: Who the s*** are you? I've never even heard of you so don't bother with the thinly veiled shots at my loyalty or the armchair psychotherapist crap rookie. Then don't watch hockey if you don't like it, simple enough. Don't sit here and talk about how we dive and stuff but hooking is just fine. Seriously just stop watching hockey, go watch figure skating or something. So I guess you hate baseball? They slide into bases so that must makes them embarrassing to watch. Every sport there is some type of diving. If you don't like don't even watch sports. Edited May 11, 2009 by HadThomasVokounOnFortSt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 It is amazing... Cleary was the 3rd star of the game last night, has killed off some timely penalties, and scored some big goals in this playoffs. Where do people get off making threads about his skating abilities? Koper spends for time on his back after a hit than a prostitute. Get real people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 Franzen writhing around on the ice like a little girl after Getzlaf love tapped him with the back side of his glove. Are you kidding me? No wonder Getzlaf was telling him to "get up". That was embarrassing. Hudler last night against Getzlaf. No wonder Getlzaf is so ******* pissed off. Hudler feels Getzlaf breathing on him and the next thing you know Hudler is falling down, sliding all over the ice. I was going to mention these two incidents...I'm guessing Getzlaf's not a huge fan of diving either. But hey, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. If diving leads to a GWG on the PP, I'm not really going to complain about it. I'll admit it's pretty embarrassing (especially the Franzen one above) though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowingsgo 3 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 Not a huge Dan Cleary fan. He just seems to be a body out there, not a big producer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted May 11, 2009 Then don't watch hockey if you don't like it, simple enough. Don't sit here and talk about how we dive and stuff but hooking is just fine. Seriously just stop watching hockey, go watch figure skating or something. So I guess you hate baseball? They slide into bases so that must makes them embarrassing to watch. Every sport there is some type of diving. If you don't like don't even watch sports. OMFG! Is this a serious post? So because I don't like to see Wings players take dives that means I don't like hockey and shouldn't watch? Hey f*** stick. There is a reason why hooking is called "hooking". And why diving is called "unsportsmanlike" you stupid ******. And sliding into bases in baseball is part of the game. Diving is not part of the game. A better example would be a baserunner yelling at an infielder trying to catch a pop up. Bush league and unsportsmanlike. The fact that you think sliding into a base is the same as PRETENDING TO FALL to the ice to draw a penalty is perhaps the height of stupidity on these boards. Seriously, I don't think there has ever been a dumber post on any message board in history. Congratulations to you! Job well done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted May 11, 2009 I was going to mention these two incidents...I'm guessing Getzlaf's not a huge fan of diving either. But hey, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. If diving leads to a GWG on the PP, I'm not really going to complain about it. I'll admit it's pretty embarrassing (especially the Franzen one above) though. I agree. And sometimes it is hard to tell if there's a dive or not and every team has guys that do it. I just hate it. I think it disrespects the game and is just flat out unsportsmanlike. But in instances where it is so blatantly obvious, it just bugs the heck out of me. I never played that way and I wish nobody would. All players "cheat" in some way, shape or form. But there's a reason why a hook is a hook or a hold is a hold. And there's a reason why diving is called "unsportsmanlike". Crosby dives.......there's a 10 page thread about it here. Wings flop all over the ice and nobody is embarrassed about that? Ryan Getzlaf is totally in the right to tell our guys to stop acting like ******* ******* and get the hell up off the ice. I don't blame him for being pissed off at us. He plays the game the way it should be played. Hard, tough and with skill. Not flopping all over the ice trying to draw unwarranted penalties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 I agree. And sometimes it is hard to tell if there's a dive or not and every team has guys that do it. I just hate it. I think it disrespects the game and is just flat out unsportsmanlike. But in instances where it is so blatantly obvious, it just bugs the heck out of me. I never played that way and I wish nobody would. All players "cheat" in some way, shape or form. But there's a reason why a hook is a hook or a hold is a hold. And there's a reason why diving is called "unsportsmanlike". Crosby dives.......there's a 10 page thread about it here. Wings flop all over the ice and nobody is embarrassed about that? Ryan Getzlaf is totally in the right to tell our guys to stop acting like ******* ******* and get the hell up off the ice. I don't blame him for being pissed off at us. He plays the game the way it should be played. Hard, tough and with skill. Not flopping all over the ice trying to draw unwarranted penalties. I'm with you on this. When there's a blatantly obvious dive by a Wings player and we get a PP as a result, I always cringe a bit. But I also feel that there'd be no reason to dive if the refs would just do their jobs. I'm sure there are players who will dive anyway - but I've noticed that it starts getting REALLY bad for the Wings when we're not getting any calls for anything. It seems to me it's out of pure frustration than anything else. But you're right, it's no excuse. I can't stand diving, period. I think it's highly disrespectful to the game. If you're not winning and you're doing everything you can - so be it. You're not winning. But don't fall all over the ice to give your team a better chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antilles328 0 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 Hudler last night against Getzlaf. No wonder Getlzaf is so ******* pissed off. Hudler feels Getzlaf breathing on him and the next thing you know Hudler is falling down, sliding all over the ice. I remember this part specifically, and I didn't see what the big deal was. It looks like Hudler lost his balance and Getzlaf ended up behind him and Hudler was trying to get up while being skated into by Getzlaf. It wasn't a penalty and it wasn't a dive. It was two players getting tangled up while one was trying to get up. I can't comment on your other notes cause I don't remember them but except for Chelios I don't think too many Wings have been diving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsCaptain 0 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 (edited) It is amazing... Cleary was the 3rd star of the game last night, has killed off some timely penalties, and scored some big goals in this playoffs. Where do people get off making threads about his skating abilities? Koper spends for time on his back after a hit than a prostitute. Get real people. Okay, now THAT was funny. And I agree ... I think Kopecky cleans the ice better than the Zamboni. But, I think that's more a product of his poor skating ability (compared to others) As for Cleary, he's probably injured. But seriously, who cares if he's been falling down alot lately. It could be that he's a little fatigued after playing the Ducks the past 5 games. And the guy is still fourth on the team with 8 points. Edited May 11, 2009 by WingsCaptain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 I don't support diving. But all you f***sticks who are saying "I don't like it when one of our players gets hooks/punched/tripped/etc." and takes what some might call a dive and we get a PP out of it, well you need to get punched in the head. You know why? Hooking is a penalty. Tripping is a penalty. Roughing is a penalty. Yes, Diving is a penalty. But if someone falls down when someone else hooks them, who are you going to call a penalty on? I get the feeling from this thread that half or maybe more of the members of this thread would call a diving penalty and let the hooking penalty go, or at most call a penalty on both players. We certainly wouldn't see a power play for the team of the player who had been hooked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 I don't support diving. But all you f***sticks who are saying "I don't like it when one of our players gets hooks/punched/tripped/etc." and takes what some might call a dive and we get a PP out of it, well you need to get punched in the head. You know why? Hooking is a penalty. Tripping is a penalty. Roughing is a penalty. Yes, Diving is a penalty. But if someone falls down when someone else hooks them, who are you going to call a penalty on? I get the feeling from this thread that half or maybe more of the members of this thread would call a diving penalty and let the hooking penalty go, or at most call a penalty on both players. We certainly wouldn't see a power play for the team of the player who had been hooked. This is pretty much what I meant when I said I don't think teams would dive if the refs did their jobs. There'd be no reason to. They'd call a hook when there's a hook. They'd call the trip if there was a trip. When they start consistently letting this s*** go, the players start diving when it happens to draw attention to it. That's just how I see it, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted May 11, 2009 (edited) Cleary works hard every shift, kills penalties and can play in just about any role Babcock puts him in. He also has eight points in nine playoff games. You could find a flaw in every player, but if it is something as trivial as Cleary falling down, then I suppose Cleary is doing fine. It isn't hurting the team and it sure as hell isn't affecting Cleary's effort or production. What's next? Z shoots into the empty net too much? Edited May 11, 2009 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 Cleary has been playing very well. The falling issue may be due to the gravitational force pulling him down, considering he carriers a lot of the weight of the team on his shoulders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Third Man In 2,091 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 lol nice bump Rivalred! Methinks the OP is just jealous of Danny's awesomeness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 lol nice bump Rivalred! I feel Cleary is in it to win like like Yzerman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
19Hockeytown5 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 Look at this guy fall down again. Worthless! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Third Man In 2,091 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 I feel Cleary is in it to win like like Yzerman. For sure. He obviously doesn't have the talent of Yzerman, but he has the heart and will to win and brings it every night. Look at this guy fall down again. Worthless! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yak19 303 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 i knew exactly why this thread was upped and it made me smile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 i knew exactly why this thread was upped and it made me smile Please do tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 After reviewing that play, it looks like Cleary went to poke the puck, missed, and as Hiller was going down, Jonas knocked the puck in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Cleary has been playing very well. The falling issue may be due to the gravitational force pulling him down, considering he carriers a lot of the weight of the team on his shoulders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Falling=Clutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Cleary obviously sucks and should be benched for this. Such a choker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites