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You listen to too many commentators. So, diving is dishonorable, but hooking and holding isn't? Diving is a way of trying to even some of that crap out. If the refs would call the games in the playoffs like they do in the regular season.....then you wouldn't see the diving. If the refs aren't going to call the stuff, then you will continue to see players do this in an attempt to get the refs to call it. Remember this.....When a player dives, he is diving for a reason. Usually because a player is hooking, holding etc.... Just because he doesn't fall down, shouldn't mean it doesn't get called, but that's what seems to happen in the playoffs. I just think this whole....calling someone dishonorable for diving crap is lame. Second, how do we know when a player is truely diving? Sometimes a player loses an edge, and it looks like he is diving.....and it happens at a time he is being hooked, tripped, slashed etc.... Just sayin, it is awful hard most of the time to determine when someone is diving. When you say someone is diving....it is all at someones discretion, and when you leave it up to someones judgement there are usually differing opinions. It just makes it really difficult. But I have noticed that you are one poster who seems to be a little more on the negative side (when discussing the wings) than most on here. Why is that? Are you always a glass half full guy, or are you just not a big wings fan? I know, I know.....let me guess.....Your a realist, right?

Realist? I suppose. I prefer the terms non-homer or objective.

And I must say I totally disagree with you. As in 100% disagree with you.

Hooking and holding are not dishonorable. They are infractions. Sometimes they are called and sometimes they are not. Much like a punch to the head a cross check or a slash, sometimes they are called and sometimes they are not....even if the ref sees them.

Diving IMO disrespects the game and disrespects your opponent. Somebody ******* taps you lightly and you fall to the ice like you've taken a 44 Magnum slug to the chest? What the f*** is that? That's disrespectful. That's beyond cheating.

Franzen writhing around on the ice like a little girl after Getzlaf love tapped him with the back side of his glove. Are you kidding me? No wonder Getzlaf was telling him to "get up". That was embarrassing.

Hossa falling over like a cheap Chinese school in an earthquake. Hossa is probably one of the strongest men on skates I have ever seen and he's taken 2 dives already this series.

Hudler last night against Getzlaf. No wonder Getlzaf is so ******* pissed off. Hudler feels Getzlaf breathing on him and the next thing you know Hudler is falling down, sliding all over the ice.

Look, every team dives at some point to draw a call. Lots of players do it. Personally, I fecking hate it. I think it's totally disrespectful to the game.

You don't see Getzlaf falling all over the ice do you? I don't remember Yzerman flailing around whenever somebody touched him.

My complaint about this doesn't make me "not a big Wing's fan". Quite the contrary. I love the Wings so much that it pains me to see them diving around like this. I find it embarrassing to the game and to the sweater they are wearing.

PS: Who the s*** are you? I've never even heard of you so don't bother with the thinly veiled shots at my loyalty or the armchair psychotherapist crap rookie.

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This guy falls 1, 2, 7 times on any given shift. He gets the puck, skates up the boards, gets touched with a stick; he falls. He gets bumped by an opposing player; falls. He gets off of the bench and starts skating; falls.

I don't think I've ever seen someone spend so much time on the ice (no, literally, laying on the ice) in my life. Maybe they should fill his skates up with some cement and make him like one of those punching bags that always bounces back up no matter how many times you knock it down..

the you deffinitly have not seen me skate :lol:

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Realist? I suppose. I prefer the terms non-homer or objective.

And I must say I totally disagree with you. As in 100% disagree with you.

Hooking and holding are not dishonorable. They are infractions. Sometimes they are called and sometimes they are not. Much like a punch to the head a cross check or a slash, sometimes they are called and sometimes they are not....even if the ref sees them.

Diving IMO disrespects the game and disrespects your opponent. Somebody ******* taps you lightly and you fall to the ice like you've taken a 44 Magnum slug to the chest? What the f*** is that? That's disrespectful. That's beyond cheating.

Franzen writhing around on the ice like a little girl after Getzlaf love tapped him with the back side of his glove. Are you kidding me? No wonder Getzlaf was telling him to "get up". That was embarrassing.

Hossa falling over like a cheap Chinese school in an earthquake. Hossa is probably one of the strongest men on skates I have ever seen and he's taken 2 dives already this series.

Hudler last night against Getzlaf. No wonder Getlzaf is so ******* pissed off. Hudler feels Getzlaf breathing on him and the next thing you know Hudler is falling down, sliding all over the ice.

Look, every team dives at some point to draw a call. Lots of players do it. Personally, I fecking hate it. I think it's totally disrespectful to the game.

You don't see Getzlaf falling all over the ice do you? I don't remember Yzerman flailing around whenever somebody touched him.

My complaint about this doesn't make me "not a big Wing's fan". Quite the contrary. I love the Wings so much that it pains me to see them diving around like this. I find it embarrassing to the game and to the sweater they are wearing.

PS: Who the s*** are you? I've never even heard of you so don't bother with the thinly veiled shots at my loyalty or the armchair psychotherapist crap rookie.

Then don't watch hockey if you don't like it, simple enough. Don't sit here and talk about how we dive and stuff but hooking is just fine. Seriously just stop watching hockey, go watch figure skating or something. So I guess you hate baseball? They slide into bases so that must makes them embarrassing to watch. Every sport there is some type of diving. If you don't like don't even watch sports.

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It is amazing... Cleary was the 3rd star of the game last night, has killed off some timely penalties, and scored some big goals in this playoffs. Where do people get off making threads about his skating abilities? Koper spends for time on his back after a hit than a prostitute. Get real people.

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Franzen writhing around on the ice like a little girl after Getzlaf love tapped him with the back side of his glove. Are you kidding me? No wonder Getzlaf was telling him to "get up". That was embarrassing.

Hudler last night against Getzlaf. No wonder Getlzaf is so ******* pissed off. Hudler feels Getzlaf breathing on him and the next thing you know Hudler is falling down, sliding all over the ice.

I was going to mention these two incidents...I'm guessing Getzlaf's not a huge fan of diving either.

But hey, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. If diving leads to a GWG on the PP, I'm not really going to complain about it. I'll admit it's pretty embarrassing (especially the Franzen one above) though.

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Then don't watch hockey if you don't like it, simple enough. Don't sit here and talk about how we dive and stuff but hooking is just fine. Seriously just stop watching hockey, go watch figure skating or something. So I guess you hate baseball? They slide into bases so that must makes them embarrassing to watch. Every sport there is some type of diving. If you don't like don't even watch sports.

OMFG! Is this a serious post?

So because I don't like to see Wings players take dives that means I don't like hockey and shouldn't watch?

Hey f*** stick. There is a reason why hooking is called "hooking". And why diving is called "unsportsmanlike" you stupid ******.

And sliding into bases in baseball is part of the game. Diving is not part of the game. A better example would be a baserunner yelling at an infielder trying to catch a pop up. Bush league and unsportsmanlike.

The fact that you think sliding into a base is the same as PRETENDING TO FALL to the ice to draw a penalty is perhaps the height of stupidity on these boards.

Seriously, I don't think there has ever been a dumber post on any message board in history.

Congratulations to you! Job well done.

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Guest GordieSid&Ted
I was going to mention these two incidents...I'm guessing Getzlaf's not a huge fan of diving either.

But hey, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. If diving leads to a GWG on the PP, I'm not really going to complain about it. I'll admit it's pretty embarrassing (especially the Franzen one above) though.

I agree. And sometimes it is hard to tell if there's a dive or not and every team has guys that do it. I just hate it. I think it disrespects the game and is just flat out unsportsmanlike.

But in instances where it is so blatantly obvious, it just bugs the heck out of me. I never played that way and I wish nobody would.

All players "cheat" in some way, shape or form. But there's a reason why a hook is a hook or a hold is a hold. And there's a reason why diving is called "unsportsmanlike".

Crosby dives.......there's a 10 page thread about it here. Wings flop all over the ice and nobody is embarrassed about that?

Ryan Getzlaf is totally in the right to tell our guys to stop acting like ******* ******* and get the hell up off the ice. I don't blame him for being pissed off at us. He plays the game the way it should be played. Hard, tough and with skill. Not flopping all over the ice trying to draw unwarranted penalties.

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I agree. And sometimes it is hard to tell if there's a dive or not and every team has guys that do it. I just hate it. I think it disrespects the game and is just flat out unsportsmanlike.

But in instances where it is so blatantly obvious, it just bugs the heck out of me. I never played that way and I wish nobody would.

All players "cheat" in some way, shape or form. But there's a reason why a hook is a hook or a hold is a hold. And there's a reason why diving is called "unsportsmanlike".

Crosby dives.......there's a 10 page thread about it here. Wings flop all over the ice and nobody is embarrassed about that?

Ryan Getzlaf is totally in the right to tell our guys to stop acting like ******* ******* and get the hell up off the ice. I don't blame him for being pissed off at us. He plays the game the way it should be played. Hard, tough and with skill. Not flopping all over the ice trying to draw unwarranted penalties.

I'm with you on this. When there's a blatantly obvious dive by a Wings player and we get a PP as a result, I always cringe a bit.

But I also feel that there'd be no reason to dive if the refs would just do their jobs. I'm sure there are players who will dive anyway - but I've noticed that it starts getting REALLY bad for the Wings when we're not getting any calls for anything. It seems to me it's out of pure frustration than anything else.

But you're right, it's no excuse. I can't stand diving, period. I think it's highly disrespectful to the game. If you're not winning and you're doing everything you can - so be it. You're not winning. But don't fall all over the ice to give your team a better chance.

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Hudler last night against Getzlaf. No wonder Getlzaf is so ******* pissed off. Hudler feels Getzlaf breathing on him and the next thing you know Hudler is falling down, sliding all over the ice.

I remember this part specifically, and I didn't see what the big deal was. It looks like Hudler lost his balance and Getzlaf ended up behind him and Hudler was trying to get up while being skated into by Getzlaf. It wasn't a penalty and it wasn't a dive. It was two players getting tangled up while one was trying to get up.

I can't comment on your other notes cause I don't remember them but except for Chelios I don't think too many Wings have been diving.

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It is amazing... Cleary was the 3rd star of the game last night, has killed off some timely penalties, and scored some big goals in this playoffs. Where do people get off making threads about his skating abilities? Koper spends for time on his back after a hit than a prostitute. Get real people.

Okay, now THAT was funny. And I agree ... I think Kopecky cleans the ice better than the Zamboni. But, I think that's more a product of his poor skating ability (compared to others)

As for Cleary, he's probably injured. But seriously, who cares if he's been falling down alot lately. It could be that he's a little fatigued after playing the Ducks the past 5 games. And the guy is still fourth on the team with 8 points.

Edited by WingsCaptain

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I don't support diving.

But all you f***sticks who are saying "I don't like it when one of our players gets hooks/punched/tripped/etc." and takes what some might call a dive and we get a PP out of it, well you need to get punched in the head.

You know why?

Hooking is a penalty.

Tripping is a penalty.

Roughing is a penalty.

Yes, Diving is a penalty. But if someone falls down when someone else hooks them, who are you going to call a penalty on? I get the feeling from this thread that half or maybe more of the members of this thread would call a diving penalty and let the hooking penalty go, or at most call a penalty on both players. We certainly wouldn't see a power play for the team of the player who had been hooked.

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I don't support diving.

But all you f***sticks who are saying "I don't like it when one of our players gets hooks/punched/tripped/etc." and takes what some might call a dive and we get a PP out of it, well you need to get punched in the head.

You know why?

Hooking is a penalty.

Tripping is a penalty.

Roughing is a penalty.

Yes, Diving is a penalty. But if someone falls down when someone else hooks them, who are you going to call a penalty on? I get the feeling from this thread that half or maybe more of the members of this thread would call a diving penalty and let the hooking penalty go, or at most call a penalty on both players. We certainly wouldn't see a power play for the team of the player who had been hooked.

This is pretty much what I meant when I said I don't think teams would dive if the refs did their jobs. There'd be no reason to. They'd call a hook when there's a hook. They'd call the trip if there was a trip.

When they start consistently letting this s*** go, the players start diving when it happens to draw attention to it.

That's just how I see it, anyway.

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Cleary works hard every shift, kills penalties and can play in just about any role Babcock puts him in. He also has eight points in nine playoff games. You could find a flaw in every player, but if it is something as trivial as Cleary falling down, then I suppose Cleary is doing fine. It isn't hurting the team and it sure as hell isn't affecting Cleary's effort or production.

What's next? Z shoots into the empty net too much?

Edited by GoWings1905

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