Ducks fans crying about Game Winning goal.

[high_stick69 7]

I disagree. Hiller looked great last night, but his defensemen let him down

The point was that he looks like he waxes his eyebrows..... he was great in every game of the series except for when they had to pull him.

Edited May 15, 2009 by high_stick69

[DMAC 25 18]

thats funny, and now we can just laugh at them. they need to stop crying about it and relize they were beaten by a better team

[ltgator333 3]

boo-friggity-hoo. I was a perfectly legal play and was reviewed and stood. If they have anything to gripe about it should be that they didn't take advantage of the huge PP's they had in the first.

[IceMunkee 15]

Sorry Ducks fans but this is Karma, she has been waiting a long time to meet you. Oh and Karma says she hates Pronger and his sly escapes from her grasp!

[Yak19 303]

Goalie and player both going for a free puck......... Cleary wins.

[donfishmaster 62]

As of last night the Lousy*ucks and their know-nothing fans have been utterly relegated for the rest of the summer to the scrap-heap of absolute irrelevancy.

Their unhappiness is no more important than a windhield bug-squish.

We should waste no more print over their concerns, but just enjoy their anguish and their tears of unimaginable suffering!

[Duckboy6 0]

Good Goal. Good Game.

[shadow47 1]

Most of you guys are tough winners, I hate the Ducks more than any team, hold the Red Wings as one of my favs but try to imagine your reaction if that was the winning goal to eliminate Detroit. I was instantly reminded of the goal in 2007 where Neidermayer pushed Hasek into the net and they counted it, I think it was the tying goal in Game 2 or something. I'm glad the Ducks can feel the disappointment to lose that way. Still, you don't like to see games decided that way. And the gift powerplays (that resulted in a goal for each team) were dumb too.

[stormboy 47]

Most of you guys are tough winners, I hate the Ducks more than any team, hold the Red Wings as one of my favs but try to imagine your reaction if that was the winning goal to eliminate Detroit. I was instantly reminded of the goal in 2007 where Neidermayer pushed Hasek into the net and they counted it, I think it was the tying goal in Game 2 or something. I'm glad the Ducks can feel the disappointment to lose that way. Still, you don't like to see games decided that way. And the gift powerplays (that resulted in a goal for each team) were dumb too.

see, but the difference is, hiller didn't have the puck. it was loose, there was a scramble, and it went in. i don't understand how the distinction between the two situations is so difficult for people to grasp.

goalie has puck and is pushed in: illegal.

goalie does not have puck, there is a scramble, goalie's pads are tapped during the scramble: legal.

[kidish 0]

see, but the difference is, hiller didn't have the puck. it was loose, there was a scramble, and it went in. i don't understand how the distinction between the two situations is so difficult for people to grasp.

goalie has puck and is pushed in: illegal.

goalie does not have puck, there is a scramble, goalie's pads are tapped during the scramble: legal.

Exactly. Anaheim's defense should have prevented Cleary from being there.

Although I think the post above you was more that he recognizes why Anaheim fans are angry -- it wasn't a goal anyone wants their team beat on.

But it's a good goal, because yeah, Hiller didn't have control of the puck, clearly. Just a good playoff goal, that's how it's played.

[dicksmack 33]

Most of you guys are tough winners, I hate the Ducks more than any team, hold the Red Wings as one of my favs but try to imagine your reaction if that was the winning goal to eliminate Detroit. I was instantly reminded of the goal in 2007 where Neidermayer pushed Hasek into the net and they counted it, I think it was the tying goal in Game 2 or something. I'm glad the Ducks can feel the disappointment to lose that way. Still, you don't like to see games decided that way. And the gift powerplays (that resulted in a goal for each team) were dumb too.

That's the wings for ya... that superior skill level comes through eventually just as it did last playoffs (esp. in the final); Zetterberg and Cleary made something out of a nothing play; Hank with the back-hand saucer pass and Cleary knocks it down in the crease and pokes it home. It's a perfect playoff goal--get pucks to the net and you get rewarded.

This is opposed to the Niedermayer goal on Hasek where the whole goalie was pushed across the line with the player's stick. But guess what? We triumphed despite adversity from the refs yet again!

[IceMunkee 15]

The way I look at it is, the day after the Hossa "No Goal" there was a press release from the NHL on behalf of the Ref's. Atleast trying to explain the shamble. Nothing about Cleary's today? Odd.

[dicksmack 33]

The way I look at it is, the day after the Hossa "No Goal" there was a press release from the NHL on behalf of the Ref's. Atleast trying to explain the shamble. Nothing about Cleary's today? Odd.

You think the lack of damage control means something?

[stormboy 47]

Exactly. Anaheim's defense should have prevented Cleary from being there.

Although I think the post above you was more that he recognizes why Anaheim fans are angry -- it wasn't a goal anyone wants their team beat on.

But it's a good goal, because yeah, Hiller didn't have control of the puck, clearly. Just a good playoff goal, that's how it's played.

i see what you're saying. at the same time, though, it goes without saying that any goal is a goal you don't want to get beat on. if it's a weak wrister from the blueline that finds a corner, that's a terrible non-save to lose on. if it's on a breakaway goal, it's a terrible giveaway that leads to a goal.

in those situations, the defending team is to blame. and i think the exact same thing is true here.

the difference is that people are looking for an excuse to say that it's not the ducks' fault that they lost/the wings did not deserve to win. if they'd cleared the puck, cleared cleary from the crease, or had hiller frozen the puck, the goal wouldn't have gone in. none of those things happened, and we scored. if duck fans are going to *****, they should ***** about the failure of their team to do any of the things i mentioned above.

[stormboy 47]

You think the lack of damage control means something?

i guess if they felt that it was something that people could have a legitimate gripe about, they'd release a statement defending themselves. if they don't see a legitimate complaint, they won't bother explaining themselves. *shrug* that's my take, anyway.

[Blaayze 25]

O.k., great, even so? THE DUCKS HAD TWO 5 on 3's!

To all the crybaby ducks, suck me. If your team wanted to win, you would have found a way to convert, but alas, you didn't. Enjoy golfing.

To all the Classy guys that show themselves here, and around their teams boards,it was a crazy series that was fun to watch, and it had everything. After the hole you guys dug yourself at the beginning of the year, I'll give it to yah, you guys battled hard. Never hesitate to come back again.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

The more the ucks and their fans cry and while, the more I LOVE it! Ka-ching! Tell them the refs are on our side, piss them off more. Obviously given their goon like tactics they know it's a crock. If it were true, we'd be on the power play the entire game. Running into players going to the bench, wacking Wing's legs with their sticks while waiting for a face off. Finding a play they're not cheap shot artists is the trick. Obviously if the refs were in our camp, they won't be doing that crap. But the more they whine they were robbed the more it hurts, so I say ENCOURAGE them to think they were robbed.

[Hank 0]

There's no need to make excuses for that goal; karma, bad penalties, 5-on-3's.

The point is that goal was perfectly legal. 100%. The controversy exists only because of the Ducks bitterness and crying.

We won that game 100% fair and square.There is no controversy. Wings win, Ducks lose. Pronger, get your golf clubs out.

Edited May 15, 2009 by Hank

[Ms_Hockey 0]

It was a good goal, plain and simple.

The puck wasn't covered. Cleary poked the puck with his stick through Hiller's pad. Wam-bam... goal.

[kidish 0]

i see what you're saying. at the same time, though, it goes without saying that any goal is a goal you don't want to get beat on. if it's a weak wrister from the blueline that finds a corner, that's a terrible non-save to lose on. if it's on a breakaway goal, it's a terrible giveaway that leads to a goal.

in those situations, the defending team is to blame. and i think the exact same thing is true here.

the difference is that people are looking for an excuse to say that it's not the ducks' fault that they lost/the wings did not deserve to win. if they'd cleared the puck, cleared cleary from the crease, or had hiller frozen the puck, the goal wouldn't have gone in. none of those things happened, and we scored. if duck fans are going to *****, they should ***** about the failure of their team to do any of the things i mentioned above.

Oh definitely, nobody likes the game winning goal against their team. That it was a legitimate "garbage" goal is just harder to swallow and probably makes people play with the storylines more. Not every goal can be the beauties of the first two -- this is the playoffs!

I was rooting for the Ducks in this series, because ultimately Detroit is the measuring bar. I haven't read anywhere (credible) that the Wings didn't deserve to win. They most definitely did, they got it done and Anaheim didn't! But again, I say all that as a Leafs fan, and when the day comes when we're good again, I want to see it against Detroit. (I love the Wings organization tremendously.)

The better team won. The goal was clean. I haven't seen too many people "bitching" about it, but of course Anaheim fans are taking it rougher. But that's their watercooler talk now that the season's done for them. They'll replay the whole series all summer while the Wings are playing hockey -- but all of us hockey fans do the same when our team's knocked out!

It was simply a good goal, a true playoff goal. Cleary beats the Anaheim defense. Period.

O.k., great, even so? THE DUCKS HAD TWO 5 on 3's!

To all the crybaby ducks, suck me. If your team wanted to win, you would have found a way to convert, but alas, you didn't. Enjoy golfing.

To all the Classy guys that show themselves here, and around their teams boards,it was a crazy series that was fun to watch, and it had everything. After the hole you guys dug yourself at the beginning of the year, I'll give it to yah, you guys battled hard. Never hesitate to come back again.

Anaheim's failure to convert on their power-plays is most assuredly the reason they couldn't dent Detroit in game seven. Big time credit to the Wings penalty kill.

[b.shanafan14 733]

Would I be pissed if it happened to the Wings? Yes.

Did the Wings get hosed time and time again all series? Hell Yes.

Am I glad thats the kind of goal the Wings clinched the series with? HELL YES!

Karma is a *****, Hockey gods get the last laugh, GO WINGS!

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I haven't read thread in-depth so I apologize for any re-stated points.

It was a good goal. And as much as I hate even bringing officials into game situations or having large effects determining outcomes of games, the Ducks got away with plenty. Pronger hog-tying Hossa down, and not being called for cross-checking Hudler into the goalie when Hudler got the penalty. And obviously there was the game 3 blown call at the end there which played a big factor in that Ducks win. Would that Detroit "goal" have put them over the top to win game 3? Who knows, but even Carlye said they were lucky to win that game and got a big break.

Now, of course refs are going to make errors, I made my share as a sports referee for a brief time when I was in college. Human error will always exist in games. Duck fans better not come in with a sour grapes attitude that the refs cost them this game or this series, because they get away with A LOT for the style of game they typically play. That type of play makes the Ducks successful, which is fine and works for them. Duck fans get little/no sympathy from me with the referee whining card though when they get away with plenty and the Wings got shafted at least in game 3 of this series which really had a huge emphasis in determining that game. And the Ducks also failed to score on not one, but two 5-on-3 opportunities.

If you want to call me a biased Wings fan and against the Ducks with these thoughts, fine. I don't like the Ducks all that much and really don't like Pronger and Perry. And no, the referees aren't out to get Detroit and there's no conspiracy to keep the Wings down, either by the refs or the NHL or whatever like some like to think in here. But the Ducks get away with A LOT.

[Earthhuman 8]

I guess they don't remember neidermayer pushing hasek into the net 2 yrs ago to tie that game and eventually win in ot. karma is a *****.

Well most of the fans you're talking about probably came out of the woodwork AFTER the Ducks won the cup, so they wouldn't remember that, would they?

[Barrie 900]

If Hiller had it pinned under his pad then they'd have an argument. He didn't, so they don't... good goal. Tee time at 8am -- don't be late!

Agreed, that's the way I see it too. Hiller and Cleary both had the right to the puck, where it was sitting in the crease. Cleary won the battle, we move on, they play golf.

Along with those Ducks PP's, I wonder if Anaheim fans remember the Selanne goal. Osgood had a Ducks player fall on his goal stick, he couldn't get back to try and make a save. I say if Cleary's goal get's called back, so should Selanne's. For the record, I think both goals should stand (Osgood was outside the crease), I'm just saying.

I can understand the frustration when the goal happens, and a few hours later, but by the next day, people should understand the rules, and know it was legit and the right call.

[Duck Guy 86]

Ducks lost last night because they did not score on that 5 on 3(I think they even had 2). I believe that gave the red wings all the momentum in the world.

I don't believe in this karma stuff... <_<

That goal was a good goal. Wings wanted it more.

Ducks need wayyyy more depth like said before when the wings scored that last goal I knew it was over. But if it was the ducks that scored that last goal with 3 minutes left the wings would of probably forced OT because of their never ending scoring depth of doom. Bad way for Hiller to go out but like forest gump said... s*** happens.