Ducks fans crying about Game Winning goal.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Most Ducks fans took this loss very well. Nobody expected them to beat The Sharks or take The Wings to 7. This was probably my 2nd fav postseason besides 07!

From what I can see over at the Ducks board, the "fans" are saying things such as -

-The officiating was CLEARLY in Detroit's favor the entire series

-Bettman loves the Wings and paid off the ref's to let Detroit win

-The Red Wings dove their way to a win

-The Red Wings don't deserve to be in the same league as the Ducks

-Detroit is a terrible city

-The Red Wings are all figure skaters

-Hiller is God

Including this gem -

Screw classy. Screw giving the Wings props. Screw any niceties. I hate the Wings. They did not deserve to win. They can take any congrats and shove them up their as........oops. Almost slipped. Hey Detroit....I hope you FAIL!

Nope, no apologies here. Maybe I am not a "classy" Ducks fan. I am just a Ducks fan!

Edited May 15, 2009 by Hockeytown0001

[Theophany 110]

See you guys on the links tomorrow!

Oh, wait, no I won't.

Sorry Pronger, gonna have to pass on that invite to Pebble tomorrow.

(Sorry to the few cool Ducks posters around here, I had to.)

[Pavrik Zettersyuk 4]

From what I can see over at the Ducks board, the "fans" are saying things such as -

-The officiating was CLEARLY in Detroit's favor the entire series

-Bettman loves the Wings and paid off the ref's to let Detroit win

-The Red Wings dove their way to a win

-The Red Wings don't deserve to be in the same league as the Ducks

-Detroit is a terrible city

-The Red Wings are all figure skaters

-Hiller is God

Including this gem -

Lol... Silly Ducks.

[Third Man In 2,091]

Really, if this weren't the last goal of the series, I don't think anyone would have even blinked at it.

Anyone interested in TSN's discussion of the goal (and a few other more controversial calls in their opinion) can find it here.

[DRW Dominance 255]

I guess they don't remember neidermayer pushing hasek into the net 2 yrs ago to tie that game and eventually win in ot. karma is a *****.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Here's another way of looking at it: If the puck is behind Hiller's pad and Cleary had to push Hiller's pad backwards in order to put the puck in the net, then Hiller isn't playing the puck at all, he's just interfering with Cleary and should be whistled for a 2-minute interference minor.

[therock48880 14]

Don't forget that the Ducks had two HUGE breaks this game- first Pronger crosschecks a puckless Hudler into Hiller and magically generates a PP for the Ducks instead of a PK, then a stick laying around behind the Wings net (that'd been there for almost a minute- I'm looking at you Refs) ties up Ericsson's feet on a routine play and creates the scoring chance they capitalized on with Ryan's goal.

So they get two lucky breaks that lead to a goal and we get one (arguably).

Don't forget the Hossa Hog-Tie that Pronger used that was somehow missed.

[oldredbarnman 13]

Duck fans would be better served to ***** about their own team play. Selanne coughs the puck up, and Helm scores on the breakaway.

Niedermeyer pinches in, the Wings transition, Flip wins the battle for the puck, Pav gets hit behind the net as he passes it out, and Sammy scores. The whole time Niedermeyer is coasting back. If he hustles at all, he could've gotten to Sammy and broken the play up.

Instead of dumping it deep, Perry throws a cross ice pass that is deflected at the Wings blueline, which results in Cleary's goal.

[Broken 16 381]

Who cares. Let them cry. They are history. We'll have a whole new batch real soon.

Not only are the Ducks playing golf... so are their trolls.

Edited May 15, 2009 by Broken 16

[Hank 0]

Perfectly legal and was karma for Hossa's.

Exactly!

Everything evened out in the end. Pronger was body slamming and interfering all series long and some of the calls we had against us were complete BS.

To me, it's even and that goal was a good one.

F*** Hiller and f*** the Ducks. Cory Perry can suck a fat one.

[norrisnick 1]

IT WAS REVIEWED in the Toronto NHL war room

End of discussion

Only to see if there was a whistle, highstick, or kicking motion. The war room can't make a ruling on goaltender interference. They should, but they can't.

[Carp 0]

I've always been a believer that calls go both ways and usually workout fairly even. If your argument is that you got screwed by the refs, you didn't play well enough to deserve to win anyway. At the professional level you'd like to see a little more consistency in the calls (it is the one thing that drives me nuts about the NHL other than their crappy marketing and TV situation), but hockey is such a fast and intense game that you have to expect the refs are going miss things, there is just to much going on to quickly. (See lectures 5 & 6 on attention and perception)

Until they start putting 16 refs on the ice (please God don't let anyone from the league read this and take it seriously) you have to play well enough that a couple bad calls against don't cost you the game. The Wings did just that.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Perfectly legal and was karma for Hossa's.

I actually even have a tough time calling it Karma. The goal was scored within the rules of the NHL, no if's, and's, or but's. The Hossa goal was simply the product of a the ref being in the wrong position. That goal should've counted, the goal last night should've counted....and atleast it did.

If the Ducks fans are so concerned about that, perhaps they should take a look at how the refs gave them the second goal. Instead of the Wings being up 3-1 and going to the PP, the ref completely misses the ball, awards the Ducks a PP, lets Pronger get away with a cross-check and thus allows ANA to bring it within 1.

The hockey Gods spoke last night.

I've always been a believer that calls go both ways and usually workout fairly even. If your argument is that you got screwed by the refs, you didn't play well enough to deserve to win anyway. At the professional level you'd like to see a little more consistency in the calls (it is the one thing that drives me nuts about the NHL other than their crappy marketing and TV situation), but hockey is such a fast and intense game that you have to expect the refs are going miss things, there is just to much going on to quickly. (See lectures 5 & 6 on attention and perception)

Until they start putting 16 refs on the ice (please God don't let anyone from the league read this and take it seriously) you have to play well enough that a couple bad calls against don't cost you the game. The Wings did just that.

QFT

[Hank 0]

I've always been a believer that calls go both ways and usually workout fairly even. If your argument is that you got screwed by the refs, you didn't play well enough to deserve to win anyway. At the professional level you'd like to see a little more consistency in the calls (it is the one thing that drives me nuts about the NHL other than their crappy marketing and TV situation), but hockey is such a fast and intense game that you have to expect the refs are going miss things, there is just to much going on to quickly. (See lectures 5 & 6 on attention and perception)

Until they start putting 16 refs on the ice (please God don't let anyone from the league read this and take it seriously) you have to play well enough that a couple bad calls against don't cost you the game. The Wings did just that.

I agree with this.

It's just the blatant stuff like Prongers obvious interference on Pavel in game 6, Helm getting dumped in front of the net when the puck was 50 feet away and then Pronger body slamming Hossa behind the net and then crosschecking Hudler into Hiller. All of those infractions were pretty easy to see and yet not only were there no penalties handed out to the Ducks, but we got a penalty for Hudler being shot into Hiller. And that PP goal changed the entire game. Before that happened, the Wings were all over Anaheim and I really believed we were on the verge of a blowout.

Anway, it's over, the much better team won and the overrated Pronger can use the summer to get ready for his abysmal performance in the Olympics.

I seriously hope he's left off the Canadian roster. He's absolutely brutal on international ice. And he's very overrated as a defenseman.

As the Cleary goal unfolded, I actually jumped out of my seat as soon as Pronger left the front of the net to attack Zetterberg. I knew right then we had a great chance to score and sure enough we did.

Pronger gets beat way more than people like to admit. Without his ability to interfere and cheap shot, he's an average defenseman. Sort of like Darien Hatcher after they cracked down on slashing.

Both big bodies that make bad decisions.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Who cares. Let them cry. They are history. We'll have a whole new batch real soon.

Not only are the Ducks playing golf... so are their trolls.

Don't forget the spike today in the number of people at malls.

Besides, why didn't their "better" goalie make that stop?

[Rocket Queen 30 1]

What say you folks? Did they make the right call or did we benefit from the refs goofing another one?

A Duck fan posted this link and the vast majority of people who "read" the link seem to think the refs should have disallowed that goal. They seem to be stuck on the idea that Cleary interfered with Hiller's ability to make the save.....AND/OR....that he pushed Hiller (his pad) into the goal.

My guess is that they didn't read the entire link.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26480

Here's the part at the bottom that I think most of the Duck fans didn't get to. I guess the article was too long for them to bother getting to the bottom section?

69.6 Rebounds and Loose Pucks - In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed.

In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck by an attacking player after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed.

In the event that the puck is under a player in or around the crease area (deliberately or otherwise), a goal cannot be scored by pushing this player together with the puck into the goal. If applicable, the appropriate penalties will be assessed, including a penalty shot if deemed to be covered in the crease deliberately (see Rule 63 – Delaying the Game).

Key words

"rebound situation"

"attempting to play a loose puck"

check and double check!

WINGS WIN! YEAH!

Not sure this warranted its own thread but I can't post on the Ducks board so I had to vent my frustration with their ignorance.

Whatev... their second goal was only scored because of a BS powerplay. They never should have been in a position to score that goal. If they want to take the GWG back then they can give us their second goal back. Either way, Wings win. WOOT!

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

The first departures from Anaheim, heading for Chicago:

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Cleary did hold (and maybe pushed, it's hard to tell) the pad, but his push was NOT the one that put the puck in the net. Hiller jerked his foot to reposition and that's what sent the puck into the net. Good goal.

It doesn't matter if it was Cleary's push. Hiller never had possession of the puck and incidental contact is allowed in a rebound situation. Again, good goal.

[Rivalred 630]

Good Goal. Lets focus on Sunday. Go Wings.

/thread

[bellarina 1]

boohoo, ducks suck big floppy donkey dick, we win, enjoy golf. f*** off, maybe will let u touch the cup when we win

/thread

HAHAHAHA!!! I almost completely agree with you, except for the part "maybe will let u touch the cup when we win" we won't let em near it.

[Vladifan 680]

I actually even have a tough time calling it Karma. The goal was scored within the rules of the NHL, no if's, and's, or but's. The Hossa goal was simply the product of a the ref being in the wrong position. That goal should've counted, the goal last night should've counted....and atleast it did.

If the Ducks fans are so concerned about that, perhaps they should take a look at how the refs gave them the second goal. Instead of the Wings being up 3-1 and going to the PP, the ref completely misses the ball, awards the Ducks a PP, lets Pronger get away with a cross-check and and thus allows ANA to bring it within 1.

The hockey Gods spoke last night.

QFT

Pronger is to hockey what basketball's Jordan was to basketball. Two HUGE calls should have been made against him just last night.

[high_stick69 7]

Maybe if Hiller didn't wax his eyebrows earlier in the day the puck wouldn't have slid through him... Ducks fans should be pissed at Hiller if at anyone.

[kidish 0]

I didn't read the whole thread, it may have been stated already. That was a good goal, it was a breakdown by Anaheim's d-men to keep that area clear. I talked to some Ducks fans this morning, and although they are certainly bitter about it, they recognize it was a good goal nonetheless.

Of course, there's always an unenlightened fan in every fanbase!

[Bad Vlad Forever 1]

Maybe if Hiller didn't wax his eyebrows earlier in the day the puck wouldn't have slid through him... Ducks fans should be pissed at Hiller if at anyone.

I disagree. Hiller looked great last night, but his defensemen let him down

[Datsyerberger 279]

The first departures from Anaheim, heading for Chicago:

I thought that was an illegal immigrant joke at first.