soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Hossa is +1 take aways to give aways.........Hank is even..........Franzen is -2............Flip is -8...........Sammy is -4............Kronwall is -8........Raffi is -9........Stuart is -10...........yep, definitely a good reason to villify Hossa alone.........Damm, ignorance is a terrible thing!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I'm calling injury also. He took some rough hits throughout the playoffs, and during the 1st round he looked fine. He wasn't getting on the scoresheet, but I remember his presence and I kept thinking he's going to break through eventually, and in game 4 he did. During the Anaheim series he started to play more slowly. I remember Hossa in his prime this year being in the same league as Datsyuk and Zetterberg with takeaways, and strong enough to keep people off the puck while maintaining control. He's been struggling in this regard, which is an indication of an injury moreso than him being lazy, IMO. If all I saw from him was slow skating, then I would think laziness, but his entire game is being affected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I'm calling injury also. He took some rough hits throughout the playoffs, and during the 1st round he looked fine. He wasn't getting on the scoresheet, but I remember his presence and I kept thinking he's going to break through eventually, and in game 4 he did. During the Anaheim series he started to play more slowly. I remember Hossa in his prime this year being in the same league as Datsyuk and Zetterberg with takeaways, and strong enough to keep people off the puck while maintaining control. He's been struggling in this regard, which is an indication of an injury moreso than him being lazy, IMO. If all I saw from him was slow skating, then I would think laziness, but his entire game is being affected. Thank you I find real hard to believe that a guy would take a Bundle less cash to be our top scorer in the reg season to just Tank and not give a crap in the playoffs..... Wake Up!! and smell the CUP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Thank you I find real hard to believe that a guy would take a Bundle less cash to be our top scorer in the reg season to just Tank and not give a crap in the playoffs..... Wake Up!! and smell the CUP Better be careful sir........logical and well-thought-out statements are rare in these parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) I don't really understand all of the Hossa hate for the following reasons. 1. We are one win away from winning the Stanley Cup, the team has had an amazing season overall. 2. We won last year without Hossa, so what special magic is he supposed to bring...whether we have him or not we should be able to win. 3. I've never been up on Hossa from the beginning...nothing really against him or anything but I don't see (with our all-star caliber of a team) how he could possibly perform to everyone's expectations on the Wings. If we had already won the Cup (in a sweep for instance) people would have given him more credit. I have been watching the games and have not thought all too much of Hossa on the whole and have commented that I didn't think he was worth all the money, and that I didn't particularly care if we kept him or not....however, the extreme anger towards him seems a bit unjustified. I was actually surprised to come on here and read this. He's had his moments where he's contributed. I don't think he's been great all of the time, but it seems a bit of a knee jerk reaction when the Wings are struggling a bit. Edited June 11, 2009 by Offsides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I agree with that too..........but 15 in 22 is hardly "useless" and "just along for the ride", a couple more "Hossaisms" that I've read on this forum in the past couple of days. You agree? What does it matter if I agree or not? Point is that the guy has been a big disappointment and has looked like an average NHL player as opposed to someone who has such a high salary and reputation. People are right to call him out and you need to stop making this into some big contest between posters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingZNut13 99 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Wasn't Hossa the regular season leading scorer? I am going to go with some type of lower body injury. I think he sucks it up and scores one on Friday and win the cup and silence all his critics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I don't really understand all of the Hossa hate for the following reasons. 1. We are one win away from winning the Stanley Cup, the team has had an amazing season overall. 2. We won last year without Hossa, so what special magic is he supposed to bring...whether we have him or not we should be able to win. 3. I've never been up on Hossa from the beginning...nothing really against him or anything but I don't see (with our all-star caliber of a team) how he could possibly perform to everyone's expectations on the Wings. If we had already won the Cup (in a sweep for instance) people would have given him more credit. I have been watching the games and have not thought all too much of Hossa on the whole and have commented that I didn't think he was worth all the money, and that I didn't particularly care if we kept him or not....however, the extreme anger towards him seems a bit unjustified. I was actually surprised to come on here and read this. He's had his moments where he's contributed. I don't think he's been great all of the time, but it seems a bit of a knee jerk reaction when the Wings are struggling a bit. Another voice of reason.......maybe it's contagious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Better be careful sir........logical and well-thought-out statements are rare in these parts. Yeah Ill make a note of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Wasn't Hossa the regular season leading scorer? I am going to go with some type of lower body injury. I think he sucks it up and scores one on Friday and win the cup and silence all his critics. Another voice of reason.......maybe it's contagious This type of contagious .. I Like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 What does it matter if I agree or not? Point is that the guy has been a big disappointment and has looked like an average NHL player as opposed to someone who has such a high salary and reputation. People are right to call him out and you need to stop making this into some big contest between posters. I don't need some pinhead telling me what to post about.......you're just like the rest of the idiot hossa bashers, just single him out and ignore the shortcomings of others on the team who have might also have underachieved. If you're gonna be a whiny ass finger pointer, just treat everyone on the team with the same scrutiny you do Hossa.................unless it's a personal problem you have with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotty99 302 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Quick question: If Hossa scores some kind of important goal in game 7..will all this be forgiven? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I don't need some pinhead telling me what to post about.......you're just like the rest of the idiot hossa bashers, just single him out and ignore the shortcomings of others on the team who have might also have underachieved. If you're gonna be a whiny ass finger pointer, just treat everyone on the team with the same scrutiny you do Hossa.................unless it's a personal problem you have with him. It's obvious that you have the maturity and temper of an 8 year old who does steroids, so this will be my last response to you on this topic. Have fun taking on the rest of the crowd. LOL. I never thought I'd run into a poster that blames me for not being critical of more Wings players. That's a first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) What does it matter if I agree or not? Point is that the guy has been a big disappointment and has looked like an average NHL player as opposed to someone who has such a high salary and reputation. People are right to call him out and you need to stop making this into some big contest between posters. I bet you through your hands up in disgust all 40 times this year he scored... and kicked your self when he was scoring the 6 goals in the playoffs too...maybe throw stuff at the TV when Hossa did something right? I doubt it. Edited June 11, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 It's obvious that you have the maturity and temper of an 8 year old who does steroids, so this will be my last response to you on this topic. Have fun taking on the rest of the crowd. LOL. I never thought I'd run into a poster that blames me for not being critical of more Wings players. That's a first. I wouldn't respond anymore either if I were you, since instead of answering questions you choose to throw out more insipid allegations. As for my maturity and temper, you've done nothing intellectually to gain any insight into either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I bet you through your hands up in disgust all 40 times this year he scored... and kicked your self when he was scoring the 6 goals in the playoffs too... Yeah, that's exactly right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) LOL. I never thought I'd run into a poster that blames me for not being critical of more Wings players. That's a first. It's just that it's illogical to call hossa worthless and be so angry when there are other players besides Hossa that are thoroughly underachieving. I mean, it's illogical to call Hossa worthless even if everyone else was having career-best playoffs. He has made his contributions and is anything but worthless. Maybe not as much as he or anyone else would like, but he has made them. Edited June 11, 2009 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Yeah, that's exactly right. well thats my point sir.....Why the hate? cause he had ONLY 15 points in the playoffs? Remember that we are here in part because he is in the line up playing every game... playing every shift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 It's just that it's illogical to call hossa worthless and be so angry when there are other players besides Hossa that are thoroughly underachieving. I mean, it's illogical to call Hossa worthless even if everyone else was having career-best playoffs. He has made his contributions and is anything but worthless. Maybe not as much as he or anyone else would like, but he has made them. He's more important to us than anyone else who's currently underachieving. Homer and Hudler have been worthless, and Kronwall has been subpar, but they're not superstar players nor do they get paid as such. Nor are they playing against their former team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) He's more important to us than anyone else who's currently underachieving. Homer and Hudler have been worthless, and Kronwall has been subpar, but they're not superstar players nor do they get paid as such. Nor are they playing against their former team. Drinking the water in your town again eh who has overacheived this playoff run then? and before you say Flip......Hes finally doing what he should be doing nothing more Edited June 11, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Drinking the water in your town again eh What did I say in my post that you didn't agree with? Go ahead and prove to me that you're not Marian Hossa yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingZNut13 99 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Quick question: If Hossa scores some kind of important goal in game 7..will all this be forgiven? In my opinion, he has nothing to be forgiven for. I mean why aren't we on Hudler's ass for making that mistake that lead to Pitt's first goal last night. Why aren't we bitchen at Cleary for missing a break away goal? Yeah Cleary has been playing a ton better than Hossa but everyone on here seems to call for a head when someone screws up. I don't think Hossa has anything to be sorry for. He is probably injured. Now assuming Hossa isn't injured, he is just lazy. Send his ass to free-agency! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 He's more important to us than anyone else who's currently underachieving. Homer and Hudler have been worthless, and Kronwall has been subpar, but they're not superstar players nor do they get paid as such. Nor are they playing against their former team. My chief thought was datsyuk. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not getting on Hossa's or Datsyuk's back about their play, obviously there is way more to hockey than just goals and assists. Just being on the ice is contributing. You think the penguins are thinking "lets match outr 4th line against hossa, he isn't going to score anyway"? No, Hossa just being on the ice is a threat. It's just that the people getting on Hossa's back are so stats orientating that it's odd they're so mad at Hossa for not scroing, but ignore datsyuks poor production. Datsyuk had played roughly 75% of the games Hossa has, yet only has 16% (roughly) of his goals. And Datsyuk's only goal was a deflection from Hossa's shot. Should we be disappointed in Hossa, yes, absolutely, but some people make it seem like Kopecky would do a better job. When in reality, Hossa is still doing a better job than 50% of the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Drinking the water in your town again eh who has overacheived this playoff run then? and before you say Flip......Hes finally doing what he should be doing nothing more Stuart has ovearachieved. Lebda has been pretty good. Ozzie has easily outplayed his regular season performance. Ericsson and Sammy have played better than what anyone expected. Zetterberg and Cleary have also been better than they were in the regular season. Enough overachievers for you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 and before you say Flip......Hes finally doing what he should be doing nothing more GMR has always been a STAUNCH Filppula basher supporter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
