GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 My chief thought was datsyuk. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not getting on Hossa's or Datsyuk's back about their play, obviously there is way more to hockey than just goals and assists. Just being on the ice is contributing. You think the penguins are thinking "lets match outr 4th line against hossa, he isn't going to score anyway"? No, Hossa just being on the ice is a threat. It's just that the people getting on Hossa's back are so stats orientating that it's odd they're so mad at Hossa for not scroing, but ignore datsyuks poor production. Datsyuk had played roughly 75% of the games Hossa has, yet only has 16% (roughly) of his goals. And Datsyuk's only goal was a deflection from Hossa's shot. Should we be disappointed in Hossa, yes, absolutely, but some people make it seem like Kopecky would do a better job. When in reality, Hossa is still doing a better job than 50% of the team. Datsyuk has underachieved in the playoffs. Ironically, the best games he's played were when he came back recently. GMR has always been a STAUNCH Filppula basher supporter. I also think Kopecky has great upside as a physical forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) What did I say in my post that you didn't agree with? Go ahead and prove to me that you're not Marian Hossa yourself. Im not Hossa but I do like what he brings to a line up and for what we paid for him, we got our money worth IMO. concede that he may be hurt and playing through it..... if you cant why not? tell me why he has to put up Malkin numbers with the depth we have.... He's out there and he has had awesome games and bad games, just like lids...kronner and stewie. but your not saying they underachieved and they should not be back.... Only Hossa .....this TEAM wins and loses as a TEAM. Holland made a move to bring in a TOP 10 player for a really decent price.. and if he gets another opportunity to do it again...he better..... Edited June 11, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Im not Hossa but I do like what he brings to a line up and for what we paid for him, we got our money worth IMO. concede that he may be hurt and playing through it..... if you cant why not? tell me why he has to put up Malkin numbers with the depth we have.... He's out there and he has had awesome games and bad games, just like lids...kronner and stewie. but your not saying they underachieved and they should not be back.... Only Hossa .....this TEAM wins and loses as a TEAM. Holland made a move to bring in a TOP 10 player for a really decent price.. and if he gets another opportunity to do it again...he better..... Stuart hasn't underachieved. Lidstrom has slightly underachieved in the 2nd half of the playoffs. I agree with you on Kronwall underachieving, and have already said so about Hudler, Datsyuk and Homer. However, Hossa has had the steepest decline. Who knows, if Pavel never got injured and continued putting up bad numbers, Hossa would have some company in the bashing department. But still, he's had 3 games out of 22 where he's scored a goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Last July when we acquired Hossa, if you would have told me that on June 12th, we'd be in the SCF game 7 with home ice advantage, I'd have taken that in a heartbeat. I have a feeling that some on this forum would have been angry and said something to the effect of "Yea, but if we hadn't picked up Hossa, I bet we'd have already won the finals". Expectations for this team are, and should be, at the highest level possible. It truly amazes me how fans, 99% of which don't know how to put on a jock, criticize the efforts of of the very athletes who give their all to provide endless entertainment for 8 or 9 months out of a year. Yea, I'm the one with temper and maturity issues.....give me a break!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Drinking the water in your town again eh who has overacheived this playoff run then? and before you say Flip......Hes finally doing what he should be doing nothing more Actually he's right. Guys like Huds and Homer might not be producing as much as they could/should, but Huds is making a mere fraction of what Hossa is, and is not on the top lines. Homer has done his part for the Wings in the POs for a dozen years and helped bring us 4 Cups - he doesn't make as much dough as Hossa either and his time is near an end - that's why guys like Franzen and Cleary are taking over in front of the net. Flip makes less than half of Hossa's salary and imo, is outperforming him by quite a bit. The reason Hossa is being singled out is that he chose to come here to try to win a Cup for one year - he chose to put that pressure on himself, knowing he would be expected to have a monster PO run. So far he has not. Actually he was better in the first 3 series and has really fallen far off the mark in the SCF just when the Wings needed him most. I think everyone wants the guy to succeed, esp as long as he's a Wing we need to support him, but really it's baffling at how he has just disappeared in the finals. Still hope for the last game, maybe he's saving it, who knows. Likely his last one in a Wings uniform, hope he digs deep and shines in his moment.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 So an injury is completely out of the quesiton, then? I feel like I'm missing something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kronthewall55 14 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 In my opinion, he has nothing to be forgiven for. I mean why aren't we on Hudler's ass for making that mistake that lead to Pitt's first goal last night. Why aren't we bitchen at Cleary for missing a break away goal? Yeah Cleary has been playing a ton better than Hossa but everyone on here seems to call for a head when someone screws up. I don't think Hossa has anything to be sorry for. He is probably injured. Now assuming Hossa isn't injured, he is just lazy. Send his ass to free-agency! we arn't on hudler and cleary's ass because they arn't making lidstrom level money. add huds and clearys salary together and your only barely matching the cap space hossa takes up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Stuart hasn't underachieved. Lidstrom has slightly underachieved in the 2nd half of the playoffs. I agree with you on Kronwall underachieving, and have already said so about Hudler, Datsyuk and Homer. However, Hossa has had the steepest decline. Who knows, if Pavel never got injured and continued putting up bad numbers, Hossa would have some company in the bashing department. But still, he's had 3 games out of 22 where he's scored a goal. I said that they have had good games and bad games Overachieving...Zett?? Really, Cause I could swear your ticked about the 7.45 mill that Hossa is making.....well Zett is doing what he should for his new deal bash all you want... cheer for pitt if you dont like the fact that we are in a SCF for the second time in 2 years... with all these "Underachievers" Lidstrom is playing hurt...remember the All-Star fiasco.....and a bad back... Kronwall is Kronwall...... and HOMER......well yeah Underachieved ... for the price Hossa was worth it AM I wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
talex 1 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I think no matter what happens in game 7, Hossa has done very little in these playoff's to make the Wings want to try and re-sign him, any thought of pushing the cap and letting a couple guys go are going to a much more thought out process than they were before the playoff's and he may be dropping his value in the free market as well, yes he had a great regular season and I am not saying the Wings should not attempt to sign him, but he has done little to make the team feel it has a MUCH better chance of winning with out him. He really needs a great game 7 to dispell this, with the way our young guns have played as well as our solid vets it makes it hard to justify his salary looking forward unless he takes a really great deal or another 1 year to see what happens with Lids... He is not helping himself so far in this series for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotty99 302 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) I don't think Hossa has anything to be sorry for. Yep i agree with you, was just wondering if the Hossa haters would forgive him really. I'm positive hes carrying some kind of injury. Anyone who thinks he is just free riding out there is a joke. Of course he cares about the cup and no one would be more critical of his play than himself. Its only natural that the hating begins when things aren't going swimmingly though. Nothing you can do about it. Except cheer the wings all the way to a game 7 victory. edit: wrong quote Edited June 11, 2009 by crotty99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Actually he's right. Guys like Huds and Homer might not be producing as much as they could/should, but Huds is making a mere fraction of what Hossa is, and is not on the top lines. Homer has done his part for the Wings in the POs for a dozen years and helped bring us 4 Cups - he doesn't make as much dough as Hossa either and his time is near an end - that's why guys like Franzen and Cleary are taking over in front of the net. Flip makes less than half of Hossa's salary and imo, is outperforming him by quite a bit. The reason Hossa is being singled out is that he chose to come here to try to win a Cup for one year - he chose to put that pressure on himself, knowing he would be expected to have a monster PO run. So far he has not. Actually he was better in the first 3 series and has really fallen far off the mark in the SCF just when the Wings needed him most. I think everyone wants the guy to succeed, esp as long as he's a Wing we need to support him, but really it's baffling at how he has just disappeared in the finals. Still hope for the last game, maybe he's saving it, who knows. Likely his last one in a Wings uniform, hope he digs deep and shines in his moment.... A few good points Im not doubting he hasnt done what has been expected of him in the PLAYOFFS But people the season that got us here was also what he got paid for..... Teams leading scorer and +27 is what we paid for too RIGHT? Hossa for the money we paid....was worth it .... Underachievers are not the issue here.... I still havent hears ANY of you Hossa bashers concede that he could be injured ITs funny how you cant say..."Maybe" to that fact...... Hossa is trying to score he leads the team is shots.....just because they havent ALL gone in he sucks eh? Edited June 11, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sherwood40 16 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I don't need some pinhead telling me what to post about.......you're just like the rest of the idiot hossa bashers, just single him out and ignore the shortcomings of others on the team who have might also have underachieved. If you're gonna be a whiny ass finger pointer, just treat everyone on the team with the same scrutiny you do Hossa.................unless it's a personal problem you have with him. IF he steps up to the plate in this very important game and deliver a huge assist or goal I can look past some of his lack proformance in these playoffs, still over paid though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sherwood40 16 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Care to single out anyone else for banishment? Surely there are others who havent met your performance threshold. Well sammy is not playing to par, but overall hossa is sucking it up if you don't want to admit that, maybe your just blind in 1 eye and can't see out the other, go with datsyuk and see dr. rahmani Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingZNut13 99 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 IF he steps up to the plate in this very important game and deliver a huge assist or goal I can look past some of his lack proformance in these playoffs, still over paid though. I don't see how you can say he is overpaid. He scored 40 goals in the regular season. He also got less than what he asked for when he signed his 1 year deal. I don't think he is overpaid. He has played below average during the playoffs but his mere presence adds something to the line that he is playing on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Well sammy is not playing to par, but overall hossa is sucking it up if you don't want to admit that, maybe your just blind in 1 eye and can't see out the other, go with datsyuk and see dr. rahmani Once again, hossa might be underachieving, but he does have 15 points in 22 games and he does lead the team in takeaways. If that makes him "suck", well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion. But as we all know, opinions are like assholes........everyone has one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) That's a stretch. When was the last time the Wings finished less than a four seed, let alone anything less than a division champ. Hossa sucks. He's only had one good playoff. My post had nothing to do with the seeding. I basically said he contributed all season. Hossa sucks? You suck. Lets see you strap on the gear and get pumelled! Edited June 11, 2009 by miller76 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sherwood40 16 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 So an injury is completely out of the quesiton, then? I feel like I'm missing something. So is hossa, THE NET Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Datsyuk 15 games 9 points......... trade him he sucked in the playoffs what a no-show , Man he's taking up cap space... Edited June 11, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Datsyuk 15 games 9 points......... trade him he sucked in the playoffs what a no-show , Man he's taking up cap space... Boy, if he was playing against former team (like that is some determining factor on how much success a player should have), we could really bash him. Maybe start a "Pavel Datsyuk Discussions" thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sherwood40 16 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 I don't see how you can say he is overpaid. He scored 40 goals in the regular season. He also got less than what he asked for when he signed his 1 year deal. I don't think he is overpaid. He has played below average during the playoffs but his mere presence adds something to the line that he is playing on. Well he did pretty good in the REGULAR season, what we got him for is the PLAYOFFS, in that OVERPAID. send him on his way. Thank You Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Well he did pretty good in the REGULAR season, what we got him for is the PLAYOFFS, in that OVERPAID. send him on his way. Thank You Really? Only the playoffs? Why did we play him this season then??? Warm Up???? Hmmm next time we get a top 10 forward to sign here for less than market value....Lets sit him for 60 games then he will perform in the playoffs for sure !!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip 5 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Hossa's clearly injured if some of you haven't figured that out yet. So is Franzen. You might recall Hossa hurting his knee at the end of the Chicago series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Boy, if he was playing against former team (like that is some determining factor on how much success a player should have), we could really bash him. Maybe start a "Pavel Datsyuk Discussions" thread. Ya Know?!?!?!??! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip 5 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Has this sherwood40 clown ever watched a game of hockey in his life? I feel sorry for him after reading what he's had to say in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Hossa's clearly injured if some of you haven't figured that out yet. So is Franzen. You might recall Hossa hurting his knee at the end of the Chicago series. WHAT?!?!?!?!?! ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?!??!?!? REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!??! I tried that in this thread.... Apparantly its not good enough reason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
