Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 gotta agree with ya man, plus last year hossa was on fire in the playoffs so the entire statement makes no sense. Why keep Hudler - Sammy??? Chokers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 I wouldn't sign him. Not just because he wasn't prepared for the playoffs, but because of his character. If we sign him long term he will want out if the team starts going South. He tries when things are going well and folds when their not. Where in the hell are you even getting that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Hossa at $6M is discount!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Yeah, he's just a steaming pile of poo, scoring 92 and 100 points back to back years with Atlanta. For the record, here are the numbers from Ottawa's 02-03 team, when Hossa didn't have "a good playoff year" according to most people's standards who will only acknowledge that he's had success in the playoffs once: (All in 18 games played) Hossa: 5-11--16 Bonk: 6-5--11 Havlat: 5-6--11 Alfredsson: 4-4--8 (that is some heavy lifting) So he only led the team in scoring by 5 points. Not good enough? How bout 01-02? (12 games played) Alfredsson: 7-6--13 Hossa: 4-6--10 Bonk: 3-7--10 Havlat: 2-5--7 Hell, how bout 03-04 when they lost in seven: Hossa: 3-1--4 Havlat: 0-3--3 Alfredsson: 1-2--3 Hossa was the only player on the team with more than one goal in that series. In a 7 game series. He was the only player on the team to score more than once. What a ******* choker. 2000-01 when they got swept out in round one: Hossa: 1-1--2 McEachern: 0-2--2 Alfredsson: 1-0--1 Yashin: 0-1--1 They scored three goals in the series. He was in one two of them. 1998-99: Alfredsson: 1-2--3 Hossa: 0-2--2 Yashin: 0-0--0 99-2000 was the only year where he wasn't right at the top of the Sens scoring leaders when he had 0-0--0 in six games. But even then Alfredsson had 1 whole goal. So in all the years Hossa played for the Sens, Alfredsson outscored Hossa three times, Hossa outscored Alfredsson three times. Yashin NEVER outscored him. Neither did Havlat. Hossa had 34 points in 51 games over those six seasons, Alfredsson had 32 points in 51 games. And actually, IN HIS CAREER Yashin never topped 5 goals or 8 points in one playoff season, so pretty much you were just talking out of your ass on that one when you said he was along for the ride while those other guys did the heavy lifting, weren't you? Great post Packer.......I know that it may only be speculation at this point, but if the Wings do happen to sign Hossa at that price, it would just be another masterful move by Holland. The Hossa lynch mob on the other hand.....we might have to put them on suicide watch. Perhaps they should give up their belts and shoe laces at once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Where in that article does it say Detroit are going to offer a 4mil cap hit contract? It only says what they COULD do. They could also offer him $500,000 and a bag of cheese. I wouldn't include the cheese with that deal. I can't think of a reason for why we really need him? We won the Cup last year without this bum. We need more hunger and more youth. As he showed in these playoffs, he has neither. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 I wouldn't include the cheese with that deal. I can't think of a reason for why we really need him? We won the Cup last year without this bum. We need more hunger and more youth. As he showed in these playoffs, he has neither. If we're dumping people that don't appear to have any hunger, I guess we're dropping everyone but Filppula and Helm? They were the only ones that were out there giving 210% the entire time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut40 176 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 I can't think of a reason for why we really need him? We won the Cup last year without this bum. We need more hunger and more youth. Really? You don't think that having been to the Finals twice and lost twice he won't have the hunger to finally win that illusive Cup. The young guns will eventually get their chance in the playoffs like they do every year because of injuries. Even if he ends up not showing up in the playoffs again(unlikely) he'd be good to have in the regular season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 If we're dumping people that don't appear to have any hunger, I guess we're dropping everyone but Filppula and Helm? They were the only ones that were out there giving 210% the entire time. We had several guys injured, so I wouldn't dump them. (Rafalski, Datsyuk, Lidstrom) The bottom 6 forwards can all leave as far as I'm concerned. Obviously they all won't, but they didn't do much in the playoffs. I still don't see why we need him to win. We can win the President's trophy and the Cup without him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FedorovMan91 1 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 I gotta say tuned for a second but I cannot understand people who don't want Hossa for 4 million. Well, I think this is Holland's initial cap number throw to Hossa so if we re-sign him, it would be idealically around 4.5 to 5.5 million. Besides, Hossa is not just an addition of skill and the playing level. We need someone to be the reason to motivate the whole team. Be honest, it is quite amazing this team even got to the final with that atrocious performance in the regular season. Just my opinion and if I remeber correctly, Cleary interviewed that the Wings will run for the Cup to give Hossa the first Stanley cup ring. That might motivate the Wings to the Final and got to the last game of the season. Moreover, I gotta just release Hudler and Samuelsson as free agents in this summer. Samuelsson is decent 3rd liner but in this team's system, he does not fit at all because while he produces 10, he is also a liability of losing 30 by bad puck control. Most importantly, if both guys do not go out, Leino and Helm do not have many chances as they have to get as the first full regular season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Really? You don't think that having been to the Finals twice and lost twice he won't have the hunger to finally win that illusive Cup. The young guns will eventually get their chance in the playoffs like they do every year because of injuries. Even if he ends up not showing up in the playoffs again(unlikely) he'd be good to have in the regular season. I don't care about the regular season. As far as him motivation, if he wasn't motivated playing against his former team and losing in the Finals the year before, plus all the hoopla surrounding this situation, he's never be motivated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Hossa would be an idiot to take $4M. thats a 46% paycut from this season's pay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Why sign a playoff choker, I don't get it... last year with pittsburgh...12 goals, 14 assists, 26 pts total not really the definition of a playoff choker. the pressure got to him, he couldn't handle it and stopped producing. the wings re-sign him he should be even hungrier next season. franzen money sounds good, 4 mil/year. the wings need to let others go, and bring up abby, and they'll have leino, helm and ericsson up full time next season. the wings will be much different this coming year. leino, in all fairness with the role he plays, needs a full season in the big league to be productive in the playoffs. abby's role is completely different. look for leino to replace hudler, who we'll probably see signed by the oilers, wild or kings this summer...wait for it. hossa just had too much on his mind to play "good" hockey in the playoffs....better luck next year unfortunately Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Hossa would be an idiot to take $4M. thats a 46% paycut from this season's pay. youre an idiot. Hed be getting an average of 4 million over a decade, meaning hed get 6 or so million this season and for the next few, and then it would go down over time to average 4 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Please don't sign Hossa, the mathematically certain depth destruction would be fatal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 I'd like to think that given another chance, Hossa would do really well in the playoffs. Besides, having a 40 goal scorer for 4 million isn't so bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CupChamps77 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Actually, it's Hossa who doesn't want Pittsburgh. Remember? Yeah and going to detroit was a MUCH BETTER IDEA. Thanks for taking our trash. Hossa helped you lose the cup! Thank you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 I don't care about the regular season. But you do. You posted heated things then. You care. It may not be your most important time, but you care. That said, Hossa at 4 to 5 mil is a steal and you take it. Hands down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Yeah and going to detroit was a MUCH BETTER IDEA. Thanks for taking our trash. Hossa helped you lose the cup! Thank you! Nice name...too bad it will go out of style so quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 There's absolutely no chance in hell that Hossa signs for $4 million. But if he did...wow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 In Holland We Trust Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CupChamps77 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 youre an idiot. Hed be getting an average of 4 million over a decade, meaning hed get 6 or so million this season and for the next few, and then it would go down over time to average 4 million. If the wings keep signing guys to 10 year deals they are going to be screwed. There is a lot more important guys that are going to be freeagents coming up. Some of those guys are way more important to the team than Hossa. Not that it really matters cause I think Hossa is leaving anyway. This is also a very dangerous situation for the wings because you have to consider the possibility that what happened to Hossa in the finals could damage his career and production. I know that it shouldn't, but he's a fragile mind. He let what he said about Pittsburgh get to him and effect his game. Now everyone in detroit hates him, and he let his teammates down. The Wings team this year was better on paper than last year and they lost. All Hossa had to do was back up his word and score only 2 goals the whole series and it would have made a world of difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Immediately after Game 7, my initial reaction was disappointment in Hossa and I was leaning in the direction that the Red Wings should NOT bring him back. Having a couple days to consider and cool down, I absolutely want Marian Hossa back if the deal is right. Hossa symbolizes everything good about the Red Wings organization: hard worker, two-way player, has the drive to win, and is completely unselfish. Hossa did what he thought was best for him and in a world where athletes seemingly play for large contracts, Hossa broke every rule possible because he wanted to be a Red Wing. I have a lot of respect for Hossa and there is plenty of blame to go around for why the Red Wings lost, but it is easy to make Hossa the scapegoat because it happened against the Penguins. All of that being said, I ONLY want Hossa back providing he doesn't play on a line with Datsyuk or Zetterberg next season. The Red Wings are best with Datsyuk and Z together. We tried a season without them together and neither clicked with Hossa. We are going to lose depth should Hossa re-sign (Hudler and Sammy) so our top six forwards will need chemistry and more goal scoring assuming our depth takes a hit. I would like to see the top two lines be: Datsyuk-Z-Cleary and Franzen-Filppula-Hossa. Hossa deserves to win a championship with the Red Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 If we're dumping people that don't appear to have any hunger, I guess we're dropping everyone but Filppula and Helm? They were the only ones that were out there giving 210% the entire time. Ericsson looked hungry out there. So did Abdelkader when he was healthy. Datsyuk and Zetterberg both looked great, even when the puck wasn't going in for them. I'm especially impressed with how hard Datsyuk worked even when everything was going against him. For quite some time he was getting great looks at the net, setting up amazing plays but everything hit the post, missed, or hit the goalie (or in some cases, as we saw in Anaheim and Columbus, the goalie just robbed his ass). All those close calls obviously weighed oh him. All players go through slumps- even guys like Ovi (see first 2 months of this season). The impressive part about Datsyuk's slump is that he managed to contribute in every other conceivable way and he still provided valuable offensive pressure. That's the best part about having 2-way stars- a guy can be in 'slump' while still being your best penalty killer and providing energetic checking all night. It sucks that Dats had that slump, but he was pretty effective when he came back from his injury, even though his skating was hampered (everyone sucked offensively for the last two games, not just Dats). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 look for leino to replace hudler, who we'll probably see signed by the oilers, wild or kings this summer...wait for it. Wow, I hope Leino can put up 55pts next season! That's the kind of rookie season future stars have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CupChamps77 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Nice name...too bad it will go out of style so quickly. I expect it to go out of style like a Red Wings Championship party. So how many of you guys didn't even think that losing was a possibility? http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_dadd...?urn=nhl,170305 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
