HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Man.....and I finally decided on who's jersey to get! LOL! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 I have no idea if this one year trade rule is true or not, but apparently Anshar is confused then too. http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...will_honor.html Yeah, I blame the confusion on KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Which means we can't sign ANYONE in the market until all this stuff is over and done with. LAME Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata20 4 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 I'm not sure how much the arbitration process in the CBA has changed from the yearly 90's, but the Wings were in a similiar situation with Ray Sheppard (Not that he was going to leave the NHL or anything). The Wings didn't like the amount he was awarded so they traded (for Larionov ). I believe his rights were traded for Larionov. He was never signed by Detroit before they traded him. Now I could be wrong, and the process could have changed drastically but I'm just throwing this out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Here's a link to the CBA. http://www.nhlpa.com/CBA/index.asp Article 12 pgs. 52-65 Absolutely no mention of the tradeability of a player that has gone through arbitration. I think this should be repeated given some of the confusion related to Leftwinger and Khan's misunderstanding about the difference between offersheet signings and arbitration signings. Again, I blame it all on: khaaannnn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 I guess saying his "rights" was wrong, they would be trading Hudler. The return could be decent too, since the KHL refuses to sign him if hes signed to an NHL contract. Sign him for $3.5-$4 million, going over the cap at this point is fine and then trade him. He can't use the "Im going to Russia" card now. You can't trade him before the ruling. What team would want a guy that obviously doesn't want to be here? Then again if the Wings win the arbitration, they should trade him but again, who would want him. Can the Wings withdraw their offer and thereby let him go? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 You can't trade him before the ruling. What team would want a guy that obviously doesn't want to be here? Then again if the Wings win the arbitration, they should trade him but again, who would want him. Can the Wings withdraw their offer and thereby let him go? ? Who would want a guy who wanted more money than Detroit could offer? Ummm lots of teams that can afford to pay him what he wants? How is this situation different than any other situation where a UFA or RFA leaves for more money? Instead of going to a s*** team with cash he wanted to go to Europe. The KHL has announced they won't steal him if he's signed in the NHL, thereby removing any lingering fears that he'll bolt for Europe. So again, this is no different than any other UFA situation where the player wants more than the original team can offer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) You can't trade him before the ruling. What team would want a guy that obviously doesn't want to be here? Then again if the Wings win the arbitration, they should trade him but again, who would want him. Can the Wings withdraw their offer and thereby let him go? I'm sure that they could withdraw the offer. ...but why would they? Hudler has stated that he only wants to be a Red Wing. (...or to play in the KHL ) Holland obviously wants him as a Red Wing or wouldn't have made the 5 yr/15 million offer. I think it's up to Hudler now. He either decides that he wants to be loyal to the team and takes the offer on the table... or he goes through with arbitration, and puts Holland in a very precarious position. Maybe we find out if Kenny Holland has a limit before he's willing to purposefully sign and trade. EDIT: throwing out what if's Edited July 16, 2009 by e_prime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRStoetzer 1 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 There is option D. The Red Wings could accept the arbitration award and assign him to Dynamo. The Wings have already done this I believe with a couple of Swedish players (signed them to keep their rights and then assigned them to their home team). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 I think it's clear that Hudler will be signed by the Wings and dealt. There is a history in the NHL of GMs trading players directly after arbitration. I think there will be plenty of takers for Hudler. Despite his size, he's well known for making the most of his ice time on the score sheet. So, Hudler gets his $ and the f*** out of Dodge, and as well, the Wings get something for a player they drafted and developed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted July 16, 2009 With Hossa gone, he'll get more time.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Khan posted an update to his earlier story saying the Wings can trade him after arbitration. Khan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Since when has Holland pulled off anything as savvy as a sign-and-trade?? If Hudler signs it will be solely for keeping him in Detroit. I wouldnt put it past Kenny to throw in a token NTC to boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Khan posted an update to his earlier story saying the Wings can trade him after arbitration. Khan Booya! I know more than Khan. Take that evil man exiled from Earth for starting a genocidal war! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Since when has Holland pulled off anything as savvy as a sign-and-trade?? If Hudler signs it will be solely for keeping him in Detroit. I wouldnt put it past Kenny to throw in a token NTC to boot. Brutal...and probably true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 This is rediculous, instead of Kenny being able to make moves, and actually offer free agents contracts, or make trades, he has to wait on this idiot. He doesnt want to be here, he wanted money and a chance to make a name for himself in Russia, let him go. This is going to make us a worse team in the end, by the time July 31st roles around, there will be no free agents left that can help us. Thanks Jiri. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) I don't think a sign and trade is as impossible as some people think. The Red Wings are a loyal organization to those who are loyal to them. Hudler threw that one out the window when he made his intentions to go to the KHL known. Edit: Now Hudler's the one who stuck under a bus. If he's really smart he'll sign a low contract that Kenny and co. offer him instead of playing for a higher amount of money to a bottom feeding team. He brought this on himself. Edited July 16, 2009 by Peleshob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Jiri Hudler is an idiot, and has a moron for an agent. Now there is virtually no way he will be going to the KHL....its either sign and play for the Wings or be traded in the NHL for picks/prospects/whatever. The only way I see him going to Dynamo is if he and Kenny work out some kind of agreement for a future contract? This would likely be verbal-only and seems completely unlikely. Also people complaining about this stopping us from making moves on UFAs....we don't have to worry about it in this situation. He will likely be traded (seriously, who wants him around after this?), and then we get assets that are not on the FA market anyhow. Like I asked before, who is in a position to take Hudler (and has something worthwhile to give)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Jiri Hudler is an idiot, and has a moron for an agent. Now there is virtually no way he will be going to the KHL....its either sign and play for the Wings or be traded in the NHL for picks/prospects/whatever. The only way I see him going to Dynamo is if he and Kenny work out some kind of agreement for a future contract? This would likely be verbal-only and seems completely unlikely. Also people complaining about this stopping us from making moves on UFAs....we don't have to worry about it in this situation. He will likely be traded (seriously, who wants him around after this?), and then we get assets that are not on the FA market anyhow. Like I asked before, who is in a position to take Hudler (and has something worthwhile to give)? Who is going to give up assets for him on a one or two year deal knowing he wants to go the KHL - that is the better question. It would probably have to be a team in the east with cap room and a shot at winning the cup in the next 1-2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 http://www.freep.com/article/20090716/SPOR...6067/1053/rss17 It appears Medvedev is waiting to see whether the Wings walk away from the arbitration decision, clearing the way for Hudler to play in the KHL. Hudler could be awarded $3 million to $4 million per year in arbitration, which would push the Wings over the salary cap for next season. The Wings have until the start of training camp to get under the cap, though, and Holland said today he doesn’t see a scenario in which he would walk from the arbitration decision and allow Hudler to become an unrestricted free agent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Khan posted an update to his earlier story saying the Wings can trade him after arbitration. Khan LOL!...it's because I emailed him asking to help with the debate....this is his response AK Khan to me show details 12:48 PM (1 hour ago) Reply The league tells me the Wings CAN trade Hudler after accepting arbitrator's decision. Ansar Khan I didn't think Id actually get a reply that fast! So yes they can trade.....BUT--Huds has showed he doesn't want to play for another team...so do you think that Holland would trade him? In the beggining he seemed as though money was set aside for him--maybe it wasn't the money that Hudler was turning down, but only a 5 year contract.....it is another thing to think about before everyone get's all "Hudler's greedy ass"..... I sooooo want him to stay...but honestly, more ice time for that amount of money.....that's not a bad decision on his part---more ice time = better skating skills and speed.....it's not like he'll get worse over there......if he can't play with the Wings this year...it leaves them w/ a little money and if everyone is so GAGA over freakin' Leino....then what's the deal w/ being all pissy towards Huds.....he only wants to play for Detroit and people call him and ass.....but other players ONLY want money or ONLY want to play for teams that can win the cup...and yet...their winning the poll on "who you'll miss the most"....so that's just craziness from some of you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Someone should put a tent over this circus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Someone should put a tent over this circus. You need to add that to your signature... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 http://www.freep.com/article/20090716/SPOR...6067/1053/rss17 It appears Medvedev is waiting to see whether the Wings walk away from the arbitration decision, clearing the way for Hudler to play in the KHL. Hudler could be awarded $3 million to $4 million per year in arbitration, which would push the Wings over the salary cap for next season. The Wings have until the start of training camp to get under the cap, though, and Holland said today he doesn’t see a scenario in which he would walk from the arbitration decision and allow Hudler to become an unrestricted free agent. Which side is this post on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 16, 2009 Eugh, Im bored of this saga. And I blame Hudler and his stupid agent who it seems has now gone into hiding out of the shame of being a complete and utter asshat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
