Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 You're creeping me out again, e-stalker. Digging through past posts (out of context ones at that, in at least one case one that was 100% in jest) and whatnot. Way to dodge the actual information in my post. The posts weren't out of context they are how you always talk about all the guys on the Wings team, management, and coaching (if one was out of context no one could ever tell you always trash the Wings that way). Oh and how dare I not allow you to spew crap out of your mouth one day trashing a Wings player and then the next day spew the exact opposite praising a Pen's player. Wow, I ask for some consistency, you trash people for how they defend Lidstrom and then you defend Crosby in the EXACT same way the you trashed others for doing when they were defending Lids. Amazing how pissed you get when someone calls out your inconsistencies, you can't defend your contrary positions so you attempt to turn the focus of the matter and on to the person. I would quickly come to Lidstrom's defence if he got s*** on like Crosby does around here. He doesn't, so I don't. It isn't necesarry to remind a board of Wings fans how great Lidstrom is. Lids does get crap all the time, its just that you are usually the one dishing it out. You'd look pretty silly quickly coming to Lidstrom's defense when you were the one trashing him . . . but I guess that wouldn't be anything new. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) I'm not complaining about the past decade or so. I'm complaing about the last 3 years or so. The wings were at one point just about the toughest team in the league and extremely successful. We've won with players who will stick up for themselves in the line up and didn't take stupid penalties or mess up our puck possession game. ( see 2008, drake, downey, Mac) If the wings could add one aspect to their game that they already don't have its toughness. What do non fight fans have against having a player that will go maybe take a liberty or 2 on another teams superstar, throw a huge hit, stick up for teammates but can still skate and keep up? Wouldn't be nice to have another Drake out there? And calling Franzen or Maltby a coward is not an exxageration at all, have you seen these guys play? Franzen could be a freight train out there instead he plays soft. I think it was against Calgary this year, Jimmy Vandermeer punched him and he dropped like he got shot and rolled on the ice for 5 minutes. Thats cowardly. Given the fact that Franzen scores more than any other Wing come playoff time, and at the tops during the regular season, we don't need him being "tough" too. It's interesting how you hold "tough guys" in higher esteem than those who actually score a lot. Way too head-in-the-clouds about who players should be than accepting them for who they are and their role of helping this team win. SWF got it right that this makes you come off as a spoiled-ass-rotten fan who can't see things happening beyond the way you want it. We don't need another "Drake". Drake was not here for 97, 98, or 2002. He helped win the 2008 cup and that's what he was necessary for, and I appreciate what he did, when he did. You're far too worried about scrums and s*** that has nothing to do with the bottom line of a hockey game, which is the score. If all you want to see is heads roll and get revenge and feigning this manly s***, that's the type of dramatizations that DO occur throughout the WWE and UFC. No kidding. It's said many times and needs repeating. Edited July 30, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 No. My wife is without blemish and my children excell in all they do. Actually, for real my wife is super smart. She has the one thing that I look for in people I want to be around; curiosity. Curious people are smart and will do well at everything they do. When you're a curious sort, Calculus isn't hard, Calculus is interesting. My oldest just turned 5. When we walk through our woods he can pick out Elm, Pine, Spruce, Beech, Maple, Oak and Ash trees. Not because I wanted to teach him, but because he wants to know. He knows from 100 yards away whether an old crawler next to an abandoned barn is an Oliver, Deere, International, Cletrac, AC, or Cat. He can tell Lake Trout, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout and Brook Trout apart. He's got an arm like Clemens - not because he's big for his age or ultra coordinated, but because he wanted to learn how to throw a ball. He will excell in everything he ever does, because he is curious. Would you mind handing your account over to one of them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 I'm not complaining about the past decade or so. I'm complaing about the last 3 years or so. The wings were at one point just about the toughest team in the league and extremely successful. We've won with players who will stick up for themselves in the line up and didn't take stupid penalties or mess up our puck possession game. ( see 2008, drake, downey, Mac) If the wings could add one aspect to their game that they already don't have its toughness. What do non fight fans have against having a player that will go maybe take a liberty or 2 on another teams superstar, throw a huge hit, stick up for teammates but can still skate and keep up? Who are these non-fighting fans? I sure can't find 'em. All I see are people who call the ones out who go off the deep end calling people wusses just because ZOMG they didn't fight this one instance or just crane kick somebody into submission. Wouldn't be nice to have another Drake out there? Of course. And calling Franzen or Maltby a coward is not an exxageration at all, have you seen these guys play? Franzen could be a freight train out there instead he plays soft. I think it was against Calgary this year, Jimmy Vandermeer punched him and he dropped like he got shot and rolled on the ice for 5 minutes. Thats cowardly. Yes it is an exaggeration, because there is more to the game than fighting or proving that you are manlier than somebody else like I previously stated. Other things in the game make you a tough player as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Way to dodge the actual information in my post. The posts weren't out of context they are how you always talk about all the guys on the Wings team, management, and coaching (if one was out of context no one could ever tell you always trash the Wings that way). Oh and how dare I not allow you to spew crap out of your mouth one day trashing a Wings player and then the next day spew the exact opposite praising a Pen's player. Wow, I ask for some consistency, you trash people for how they defend Lidstrom and then you defend Crosby in the EXACT same way the you trashed others for doing when they were defending Lids. Amazing how pissed you get when someone calls out your inconsistencies, you can't defend your contrary positions so you attempt to turn the focus of the matter and on to the person. Smarter people than you can tell when I'm kidding and when I'm not. They tell me so. I strive to bring ballance. Lids is too often seen as being above reproach, he is not. He is merely very, very good. Crosby gets s*** on round the clock. One needs to be knocked down a peg, one needs to be boosted up a bit. I am the grand-master, making the unniverse right. You need me, you're just not smart enough to know it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Who is in this "non-fight" crowd anyways? I know one poster on this board who legitimately does not care for fighting -- Reds4Life. That's it. Most posters here love seeing a fight, and would love to have the type of players you describe - but they simply do not let the lack of it ruin the experience of enjoying a good game and a winning team. I've seen people say many times go watch UFC, the Flyers etc. All because I wouldn't mind the wings having a scrappy guy, I'm not even saying a heavyweight fighter. If all these posters would love to have this type of player they wouldn't say go watch MMA or the Ducks but they do. If these people would love having this type of player they would say, "I agree, we could use this type of player" or "Yeah its too bad we don't have a little grit on our bottim lines" instead I get " You should watch the Flyers, you're no wings fan." This too me makes you seem like a non fight fan, especially if you dont even want a guy like Drake back. I've never let not having a fighter ruin the experience of a winning team for me, I'm sure if you asked all the Leafs fans that I live around they would tell you the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) To the people who call Maltby cowardly, I have one thing. Is not fighting because you know it will irritate your opponent and give you less chance of drawing a penalty cowardly? If Maltby's not fighting irritates you, surely it must irritate the hell out of his opponents even more. I don't care that he doesn't fight, or never fought, I just wish that he would throw more hits... Is declining a fight for the sake of pissing off the opposition more cowardly than throwing yourself in front of a heavy shot? I've seen Maltby do that plenty of times. I've seen him take big hits plenty of times. And I've seen him give them too. EDIT - Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't at all mind a guy who knew how to fight, and wasn't one-dimensional. Edited July 30, 2009 by NGKEIB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Yes it is an exaggeration, because there is more to the game than fighting or proving that you are manlier than somebody else like I previously stated. Other things in the game make you a tough player as well. You mean like facewashes? Diving? Chirping from behind an official? In what ways is Maltby tough? The guy has a reputation as one of the league's biggest wusses, and he's earned it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 You mean like facewashes? Diving? Chirping from behind an official? In what ways is Maltby tough? The guy has a reputation as one of the league's biggest wusses, and he's earned it. He's not the Maltby of earlier years now, but he was also pretty good at gridning, hard skating, and a big goal here and there even though offense was never really his forte. Those type of things can also make for a tough hockey player, along with playing good defense, skating fast, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Would you mind handing your account over to one of them? My son can only type his name. My wife would only talk about how hot Downey and Ozzie and Cleary are and how ugly Cheli and Hudler and Datsyuk are. I realise that both would be an improvement over the drivel I post, but I still don't think you'd be all that happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 That was many years ago...Since then he's a pest who won't stand-up for himself, and relies on his teammates (again quite a few years ago), or refs/linesmen (what we see today) to answer for his actions...Steve Sullivan (when he was a Leaf ) challenged Maltby after Maltby gave him a face wash...Malts skated away, but wasn't able to draw Sullivan into a pen (if I remember correctly)...One of the very few times I wouldn't have minded seeing a Red Wing player get smacked in the face for that garbage. Guys like him I cannot stand People on this site will quickly jump to the defence of Maltby and his "antagonizing antics" but during the regular season they'll call Steve Ott a coward or even Avery a coward. If you take away the press statements Avery plays the same game as Maltby to an extent and does a better job of it and he'll occasionally throw down and hit. I also haven't seen anyone jump to Franzen's defence.. Seems like everyone agrees there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 He's not the Maltby of earlier years now, but he was also pretty good at gridning, hard skating, and a big goal here and there even though offense was never really his forte. Those type of things can also make for a tough hockey player, along with playing good defense, skating fast, etc. Good defence and skating fast do not make a hockey player tough. I'm not sure what your logic is there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Sigh. Wasn't a Williams fan the first go around - was glad he was traded. Why bring him back? I hope he declines. Of course not that Sammy is gone, Wings fans do need someone to be the lighting rod of criticism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Would you mind handing your account over to one of them? Best line of the week - It's funny because it's true! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Good defence and skating fast do not make a hockey player tough. I'm not sure what your logic is there It can certainly make those players tougher to play against... Again there is more to hockey then standing up to people or getting into fights... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 It can certainly make those players tougher to play against... Again there is more to hockey then standing up to people or getting into fights... I never said that there wasn't more to hockey. I just don't think skating fast is a reason to call a a player tough. Mike Ribeiro is a fast skater so he's tough? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 I never said that there wasn't more to hockey. I just don't think skating fast is a reason to call a a player tough. Mike Ribeiro is a fast skater so he's tough? Sure. Playing against a fast skater is pretty inconvenient and a pain the rear sometimes and is often tough to play against... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 I've seen people say many times go watch UFC, the Flyers etc. All because I wouldn't mind the wings having a scrappy guy, I'm not even saying a heavyweight fighter. If all these posters would love to have this type of player they wouldn't say go watch MMA or the Ducks but they do. If these people would love having this type of player they would say, "I agree, we could use this type of player" or "Yeah its too bad we don't have a little grit on our bottim lines" instead I get " You should watch the Flyers, you're no wings fan." This too me makes you seem like a non fight fan, especially if you dont even want a guy like Drake back. I've never let not having a fighter ruin the experience of a winning team for me, I'm sure if you asked all the Leafs fans that I live around they would tell you the same. You just seem pretty jumpy to lump anyone who disagrees with you as a "non-fight fan". Drake didn't even fight that much -- 5 times in the regular season (which was a career-high) before he got injured and not a single fight after that. It's strange how this guy has reached sainthood around here. Nice to have, sure - but man, I'm not stressing out about replacing his 4 points and 0 fights from the playoffs in 2008. IMO, Helm has more than replaced him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 You just seem pretty jumpy to lump anyone who disagrees with you as a "non-fight fan". Drake didn't even fight that much -- 5 times in the regular season (which was a career-high) before he got injured and not a single fight after that. It's strange how this guy has reached sainthood around here. Nice to have, sure - but man, I'm not stressing out about replacing his 4 points and 0 fights from the playoffs in 2008. IMO, Helm has more than replaced him. Exactly Drake didn't fight that much, thats what I'm trying to say. He stuck up for himself and teammates, 5 fights isn't really a fighter its more a guy who can handle himself and still bring some game. Thats what I want more of on this team. And you're kidding right? Trying to down talk what Drake brought in the playoffs is ridiculous. You need more then goal scorers to win playoff games, its a physical game. Drake brought so much energy and laid out so many people. If you've played a game of hockey in your life you would know that having those grinders out there that can hit and scrap a bit makes a huge difference to the team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Drake didn't even fight that much -- 5 times in the regular season (which was a career-high) before he got injured and not a single fight after that. and he's a cult hero, i guess that just shows how lacking this team is eh lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 and he's a cult hero, i guess that just shows how lacking this team is eh lol Heh... good point. There is no denying Red Wings fans love it. Newfy Exactly Drake didn't fight that much, thats what I'm trying to say. He stuck up for himself and teammates, 5 fights isn't really a fighter its more a guy who can handle himself and still bring some game. Thats what I want more of on this team. And you're kidding right? Trying to down talk what Drake brought in the playoffs is ridiculous. You need more then goal scorers to win playoff games, its a physical game. Drake brought so much energy and laid out so many people. If you've played a game of hockey in your life you would know that having those grinders out there that can hit and scrap a bit makes a huge difference to the team I just think Helm has already more than replaced Drake. And it's not Drake I am worried about replacing from the previous Cup winning team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 Heh... good point. There is no denying Red Wings fans love it. I just think Helm has already more than replaced Drake. And it's not Drake I am worried about replacing from the previous Cup winning team. But what would be wrong with gettnig another Drake type player? He didn't take alot of stupid penalties, hit, fought and played with heart. When I or another fight advocate says something about a player like Drake automatically we get burned and told to root for the Ducks. Drake didn't hurt the team at all but for some reason we suggest a player like him and we're suggesting we would rather our team go 0-82 as long as we fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 There should be some kind of topic buzzer for every member of LGW. Everytime you get completely off topic you get electrocuted and your account is suspended for one day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 My son can only type his name. My wife would only talk about how hot Downey and Ozzie and Cleary are and how ugly Cheli and Hudler and Datsyuk are. I realise that both would be an improvement over the drivel I post, but I still don't think you'd be all that happy. You should see from our point of view..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 30, 2009 But what would be wrong with gettnig another Drake type player? He didn't take alot of stupid penalties, hit, fought and played with heart. When I or another fight advocate says something about a player like Drake automatically we get burned and told to root for the Ducks. Drake didn't hurt the team at all but for some reason we suggest a player like him and we're suggesting we would rather our team go 0-82 as long as we fight. If you can convince Holland to get rid of someone like Maltby, I'd be all for it. But as it is, the team already has enough role players on its bottom lines that can barely score (Draper, Maltby, Helm, Abdelkader if he is up or whatever FA grinder gets signed instead) - and I'm not as interested in adding more considering all the offense lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
