Goon

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Youre thinking royal rumble not hell in a cell and if we're putting cheapshot artists in how about we toss in steve downie

Nah man, Royal Rumble is 30 guys, now that'd be entertaining.

[Guest micah]

Maltby was shining his 4 Stanley Cup Rings and World Cup while reminiscing about actually playing in the post-season those years.

You really think Malts is sitting around, remembering the bygone days when he was part of a championship hockey team? Damn. That'll get him nowhere. I hope that instead of reminiscing, he's working on becoming a better contributor than he was last year. Maybe a little more out of old Kirk would have made the diffference this year.

Eric Godard seems like a nice enough guy. Ditto Sidney Crosbey. Malkin too. All of the Stanley Cup Champion (goon-employing) Pittsburgh Penguins seem pretty nice. I bet if Maltby wrote them a fan letter and asked for advice on what it takes to be a Champion in today's NHL they'd help him out. If nothing else, maybe they'd send him a photocopy of a picture of the current Stanley Cup Champions.

[Guest Shoreline]

Nah man, Royal Rumble is 30 guys, now that'd be entertaining.

As long as it's hockey players actually fighting I'm up for it. We already have *** pride parades in the area, so 30 oiled up 'roiders in a ring wearing speedos and grabbing each other doesn't come off to me as original and entertaining, as far as San Francisco is concerned.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[Guest Shoreline]

Just you my friend.

I can see why haroldsnepsts referred to you as a condescending douchebag.

No wonder both your engagements were broken off; poor girls couldn't stand your pompous ass.

[Guest Shoreline]

Like I said - you're the only here I'll give s*** right back to.

Define giving s*** to. You end up looking stupid in posts, related to politics, or even hockey, and your idea of giving s*** is talking about my personal life. Maybe you skipped the part of debate/politics class where people were taught how to argue. As it is, it's obvious you were snoozing in your how-not-to-be-a-hypocrite class.

[Guest Shoreline]

Jeez - you need an explanation...You're dumber than I thought.

Well hey, some people are so sensitive over the internet, when made to look stupid, they'll resort to childish personal attacks, which begets the same. Some get the idea and mosey along when they end up looking stupid. You never really made it clear what you consider one (as in me) giving s*** to you is, at least, to merit personal attacks. Evidently extracting relevant information regarding your tantrums makes one dumb. Hey, I got an idea, maybe I'll look more dumb if you insult my mother next.

I hope you're not a role model for anyone, especially children.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Why even argue the point? Holland is so anti-enforcer it's sickening... I avoid this thread ever since I realized these forums are 90% anti-fighting, pro eurohockey style, and against forms of physical play.

Seriously too, Holland will continue to sign small forwards that are really 'pretty' to watch in the regular season, then get burried during a long playoff run. Until then, we'll have valuable top 4 defensemen act like our enforcers, when they can't even fight, and will end up getting hurt. Noooo, we've never had that scenario before... Ahem, ahem... Andreas.... ahem... Lilja...

I've been reeading this thread and you all know by now where I stand with enforcers and physical play. For the newer ones, I absolutely despise this KHL era of Red Wings stylistic approach to hockey.

I must say, I literally have laughed out loud to myself while working at my desk at work reading this thread; the ignorance of hockey for SOME in these forums project is mind boggling. Please, continue to play your EA Sports NHL on your Xbox 360 and think it works that way by building a team with 10-50 point scorers.

Also, for those that don't think that it makes a difference that Goddard and before that Laraque was on the Pens during the regular season???? Wow... let me give you an analogy, think of a good offensive line for a QB in football. Think of that QB's stamina come playoff time. 'Nuff said. Now I'll go back to laughing at some of this ridiculous anti-enforcing posts.

Edited August 6, 2009 by E_S_A_D

[egroen 384]

Why even argue the point? Holland is so anti-enforcer it's sickening... I avoid this thread ever since I realized these forums are 90% anti-fighting, pro eurohockey style, and against forms of physical play.

Seriously too, Holland will continue to sign small forwards that are really 'pretty' to watch in the regular season, then get burried during a long playoff run. Until then, we'll have valuable top 4 defensemen act like our enforcers, when they can't even fight, and will end up getting hurt. Noooo, we've never had that scenario before... Ahem, ahem... Andreas.... ahem... Lilja...

I've been reeading this thread and you all know by now where I stand with enforcers and physical play. For the newer ones, I absolutely despise this KHL era of Red Wings stylistic approach to hockey.

I must say, I literally have laughed out loud to myself while working at my desk at work reading this thread; the ignorance of hockey for SOME in these forums project is mind boggling. Please, continue to play your EA Sports NHL on your Xbox 360 and think it works that way by building a team with 10-50 point scorers.

Also, for those that don't think that it makes a difference that Goddard and before that Laraque was on the Pens during the regular season???? Wow... let me give you an analogy, think of a good offensive line for a QB in football. Think of that QB's stamina come playoff time. 'Nuff said. Now I'll go back to laughing at some of this ridiculous anti-enforcing posts.

I had no idea Pittsburgh has been more successful than the Red Wings (I can't believe how ga-ga over Pittsburgh some of you are), and that reason was because of Laraque and Godard. Lilja is a top 4 defenseman?

You say the Wings are fine in the regular season and get buried in the playoffs, ok, we'll ignore that the Wings have actually been the most successful post-season team since the lockout, but Laraque and Godard only really played in the regular season - how did they help the Pens in the playoffs?

I wouldn't mind an enforcer at all - but so many of you go overboard.

I have a feeling we might see one on the team after Maltby retires.

Edited August 6, 2009 by egroen

[Guest micah]

I have a feeling we might see one on the team after Maltby retires.

I hope Maltby retires this afternoon.

I agree with you that the Wings will likely pick up another goon before too long. It's the direction the great teams are going, and Holland has never been as anti-goon as some here think. He isn't anti-goon, he just really, really sucks at selecting goons. Brad Norton? C'mon.

Wasn't Lilja a 2nd pairing guy when he went down?

Edited August 6, 2009 by micah

[uk_redwing 495]

I hope Maltby retires this afternoon.

I hope he retires back in 2005...

[Guest Shoreline]

I agree with you that the Wings will likely pick up another goon before too long. It's the direction the great teams are going

This is said every year. It was funny last season too. Wings will pick up a goon, they need one! Turns into "Wings need a goon to win the cup!", then "This weak ass Euro team hates goons". New season, new case of memory loss. Same repeated garbage. Some people just don't learn.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[Guest micah]

This is said every year. It was funny last season too. Wings will pick up a goon, they need one! Turns into "Wings need a goon to win the cup!", then "This weak ass Euro team hates goons". New season, new case of memory loss. Same repeated garbage. Some people just don't learn.

It is unclear to me how what you typed above responds to my statement that you quoted.

I stated that "the Wings will likely pick up a goon before too long. They probably will. Perhaps not this year (not alot of room to play with), but I think it's quite likely that they will by the season opener in 2010. Would you like to bet on it? Let's do it.

Ken Holland brought in Brad Norton, Aaron Downey, brought back McCarty after his skills were gone. He can't hate goons that much, he's just really bad at picking them.

Wanna put your money where your mouth is and make another little bet? I bet that the team that wins the Cup this year will at the very minimum carry a goon durring the reg season. We'll define "goon" as a player who gets into a minimum of 12 fights durring the reg season.

You can pick the dollar ammounts, and you can select whether the loser (you) sends the winner (me) cash, or to the winner's selected charity.

Whadaya say, young man? Go to the pawn shop, peddle all those unused engagement rings you have laying around taking up space, and let it roll. C'mon. Please?

[Guest Shoreline]

It is unclear to me how what you typed above responds to my statement that you quoted.

I stated that "the Wings will likely pick up a goon before too long. They probably will. Perhaps not this year (not alot of room to play with), but I think it's quite likely that they will by the season opener in 2010. Would you like to bet on it? Let's do it.

Ken Holland brought in Brad Norton, Aaron Downey, brought back McCarty after his skills were gone. He can't hate goons that much, he's just really bad at picking them.

Wanna put your money where your mouth is and make another little bet? I bet that the team that wins the Cup this year will at the very minimum carry a goon durring the reg season. We'll define "goon" as a player who gets into a minimum of 12 fights durring the reg season.

You can pick the dollar ammounts, and you can select whether the loser (you) sends the winner (me) cash, or to the winner's selected charity.

Whadaya say, young man? Go to the pawn shop, peddle all those unused engagement rings you have laying around taking up space, and let it roll. C'mon. Please?

So you're saying that Ken Holland doesn't pay attention to the goons on other teams, and is just somehow bad at knowing what a goon is? That's cute. He knows what a goon is, but he knows that a goon MUST fit in this system. That's why goons have not had a consistent place on Red Wing rosters since the Probert years, and if you notice, the consistency was no cups. And no, I don't bet, because it's you who has something to prove, not only with your obsession with fighters, but needing to make a pointless bet. Big castle, little man.

By the way, in every school shooting, there was a toilet in the perpetrator's house. Toilets are responsible for school shootings the same way these goons have been responsible for a cup. Now, please, make me laugh some more and tell me Shanny was a goon. It's not as if you have any leg to stand on anyways, so at very least entertain us some more.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[Guest micah]

So you're saying that Ken Holland doesn't pay attention to the goons on other teams, and is just somehow bad at knowing what a goon is? That's cute. He knows what a goon is, but he knows that a goon MUST fit in this system. That's why goons have not had a consistent place on Red Wing rosters since the Probert years, and if you notice, the consistency was no cups. And no, I don't bet, because it's you who has something to prove, not only with your obsession with fighters, but needing to make a pointless bet. Big castle, little man.

Tee-hee.

Everybody likes free money. I'm offering you free money if you're right. You're not right, and you're scared.

Kenny did bring Brad Norton in. Darren McCarty round 2. Aaron Downey. Kenny must think goons serve some purpose, or at least some potential purpose. Being that Kenny tends to bring a goon in every other year or so, plus the fact that fighting is trending up, as is the presence of goons on competetive teams, I suspect we'll see Kenny get a goon. Again. And play him, just like he did 2 years ago with Downey.

I have a leg to stand on, and it is this. I am right. I am confident that I am right, and therefore I am willing to demonstrate that confidence in a public and quantifiable way - by betting you. You are unwilling, because you are wrong and you are scared. You have already lost.

Seriously, this bet could put this whole issue to bed. Kenny will either get a goon or he won't. The team next year will either continue the trend of carrying a goon durring the reg season or they won't. I am confident that my predictions are right.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

So with Lilja likely out, is there any chance this team gets to 5 fighting majors this season?

I just hope Ericsson won't try to fight some heavy who has the potential of hurting him badly. Other than him, no one else on this team will do s*** when the other team starts playing dirty.

[Guest Shoreline]

Tee-hee.

Everybody likes free money. I'm offering you free money if you're right. You're not right, and you're scared.

Kenny did bring Brad Norton in. Darren McCarty round 2. Aaron Downey. Kenny must think goons serve some purpose, or at least some potential purpose. Being that Kenny tends to bring a goon in every other year or so, plus the fact that fighting is trending up, as is the presence of goons on competetive teams, I suspect we'll see Kenny get a goon. Again. And play him, just like he did 2 years ago with Downey.

I have a leg to stand on, and it is this. I am right. I am confident that I am right, and therefore I am willing to demonstrate that confidence in a public and quantifiable way - by betting you. You are unwilling, because you are wrong and you are scared. You have already lost.

Seriously, this bet could put this whole issue to bed. Kenny will either get a goon or he won't. The team next year will either continue the trend of carrying a goon durring the reg season or they won't. I am confident that my predictions are right.

Ooh, look at me shake. I'm scurred. Head up there, chap, everyone is a tough guy on the internet. Pretending to be tough won't make your e-peen any smaller bigger than it already is, nor will impress the internet masses.

Brad Norton contributed what to this team again? And Mac round 2 contributed what to this team again? Downey? Uh.. dude, they were all let go because they weren't playing for s*** and weren't contributing enough to merit keeping them over guys like Maltby.

Oh look, Kenny signed Uwe Krupp! He only ever had one point and played a total of 10 games, including the playoffs, but look at the impact he had! The team won a cup because he was on the team. GET 'R DUN KENNY WE NEED MORE UWE'S. This is your fighter argument. You are sooo right. Bwaaahahaha.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[uk_redwing 495]

So with Lilja likely out, is there any chance this team gets to 5 fighting majors this season?

I just hope Ericsson won't try to fight some heavy who has the potential of hurting him badly. Other than him, no one else on this team will do s*** when the other team starts playing dirty.

We have our might powerplay WITH ADDED JASON WILLIAMS.

Thats a scary thought! (A scary thought for us, opposition will just fall on the ice laughing)

[Guest micah]

Ooh, look at me shake. I'm scurred. Head up there, chap, everyone is a tough guy on the internet. Pretending to be tough won't make your e-peen any smaller bigger than it already is, nor will impress the internet masses.

Brad Norton contributed what to this team again? And Mac round 2 contributed what to this team again? Downey? Uh.. dude, they were all let go because they weren't playing for s*** and weren't contributing enough to merit keeping them over guys like Maltby.

Oh look, Kenny signed Uwe Krupp! He only ever had one point and played a total of 10 games, including the playoffs, but look at the impact he had! The team won a cup because he was on the team. GET 'R DUN KENNY WE NEED MORE UWE'S. This is your fighter argument. You are sooo right. Bwaaahahaha.

Look, Failure, I get your schtick. I agree with you that Brad Norton was garbagem Krupp was garbage, and Mac2 was garbage. Downey I think deserved another contract, but whatever. Point is, you say the all-wise Holland knows better than to sign goons. I say he doesn't (as evidenced by the also-rans we're talking about), he just has had s*** luck at finding a good goon. You know, like stanley Cup Champion Eric Godard. It's clear that Holland has tried, quite a few times now, to get a fighter onto the Wings. He just blows at it. There is no reaqson that Holland would have brought Norton or Downey in if he didn't want a goon. Goonery is all those two have ever brought to the table, and Holland knew that before he brought them in.

Enlighten me now, who is trying to "be tough on the internet"? I'm telling you that I'm right, you're telling me that you're right. I'm saying fine, let's bet on it, winner takes whatever. It isn't about being tough, it's about making a comitment and owning it. Someday, when you're married or gainfully employed, you'll understand.

I have never claimed to be tough. I have claimed to be right though, and unlike you, I'll put my predictions on the net and even put my money where my mouth is. This comitment, this confidence, has made me succesful in every aspect of life. I wish you all the same. I sincerely hope that whatever it is that makes you incapable of anything other than snark gets better. I'm here to help if you want it. Your next fiance will appreciate it.

[mjlegend 155]

Downey had 10 fights in 2007-08.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/66

By the "12 fights and you're a goon" line in the sand, looks like they've won the cup before without a goon.

[uk_redwing 495]

Downey had 10 fights in 2007-08.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/66

By the "12 fights and you're a goon" line in the sand, looks like they've won the cup before without a goon.

Downey was an enforcer, not a goon. Thats the difference.

I couldnt give a s*** for goons like Brashaer, Pronger and Downie. Although I wouldnt mind on my team, they dont provide anything except some tasty actions.

Enforcers do. Hence why Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Babcock all praised Downey for his work in the 07-08 season. Enforcers are useless. Thats why ONLY 29 teams in the NHL have one. And thats ONLY why Detroit had TWO during their 07-08 cup run. Anyone who replies to my post, I shant read it. I really dont care about what you have to say.

[Guest Shoreline]

Look, Failure, I get your schtick. I agree with you that Brad Norton was garbagem Krupp was garbage, and Mac2 was garbage. Downey I think deserved another contract, but whatever. Point is, you say the all-wise Holland knows better than to sign goons. I say he doesn't (as evidenced by the also-rans we're talking about), he just has had s*** luck at finding a good goon. You know, like stanley Cup Champion Eric Godard. It's clear that Holland has tried, quite a few times now, to get a fighter onto the Wings. He just blows at it. There is no reaqson that Holland would have brought Norton or Downey in if he didn't want a goon. Goonery is all those two have ever brought to the table, and Holland knew that before he brought them in.

Um, how long has Holland been with the Wings? Since 1997? No? Since when? What goons have the Wings had during his tenure? Kenny doesn't know what a goon is? The Earth is flat? Holy s***.

Enlighten me now, who is trying to "be tough on the internet"? I'm telling you that I'm right, you're telling me that you're right. I'm saying fine, let's bet on it, winner takes whatever. It isn't about being tough, it's about making a comitment and owning it. Someday, when you're married or gainfully employed, you'll understand.

Perfect example as to how citing one is married, or, f***, even being married, is not inherently a sign of maturity. Anyone can pay for a marriage license. Anyone can make babies. The job thing is pretty funny though. Who was it who's talking about betting and fighting people? Oh yeah, that's you. Only tough guys make those kind of "commitments" to people on the internet. Please.

I have never claimed to be tough. I have claimed to be right though, and unlike you, I'll put my predictions on the net and even put my money where my mouth is. This comitment, this confidence, has made me succesful in every aspect of life. I wish you all the same. I sincerely hope that whatever it is that makes you incapable of anything other than snark gets better. I'm here to help if you want it. Your next fiance will appreciate it.

Actually, with your insecurity problem, I'd venture you should put your money into taking care of that (maybe with medication, or surgery) as it would be putting all your internet money and internet toughness to a far better use. Your internet wife might appreciate that much, and you might even make a better role model than you are now for the poor internet kids. See how easy that is? If you actually have money, you should pay me for the advice and hockey information I give you.

And to some of the previous posts, why is it people seem to love making a baseless assumption that just because an enforcer happened to be on the roster or played a few games that they were necessary to winning a cup? Again, Uwe Krupp was on a Stanley Cup team, and by the same logic I could suggest every team needs one. By the same logic, I could suggest because every serial killer has a toilet in their house that toilets are responsible for them killing people. It makes just as much sense. Think about it. If these guys were so valuable to the Red Wings, why the flying f*** did they not play much at all, especially during the playoffs, and why were their services not needed in such a short manner?

Goons on this team are useless, and Kenny knows it. I'm sure if he could find a player who could score a lot and pack a punch fighting, who also wanted a reasonable amount of money and had a place in this system, he'd sign them. I'm sure everyone would love it too. But goons are one-dimensional and don't fit in this team's skill-based system, which works just fine. You know why handfuls of people suggest finding another team? Because what you want, this team is not. And clearly it looks like what you want is far more important than what you get, and with how often you guys *****, it's easy to presume you aren't happy with this team if you can't have it the way you want it.

[Guest micah]

What's wrong with betting on the internet? And who exactly did I offer to fight?

I am a success and you are a failure. I am prepared to step up and prove myself right, you are not.....and I suspect that this is a fairly large part of the reason why I am a success and you are a failure.

"12 fights" isn't my definition of a goon, btw, it was just for clarification for betting purposes - without a clear definition, either person would be claiming victory and requesting payment. I use the terms goon, enforcer and fighter interchangebly. I probably shouldn't, but I do.Downey and Norton were goons, in that they had no role on the team other than bringing the hurt. Kenny presumably knew this when he brought them in, but he still brought them in.

[titanium2 867]

Oh you kids and your pissing contests. First one to tag the squirrel wins.

[Guest micah]

Oh you kids and your pissing contests. First one to tag the squirrel wins.

I got $10 says I can piss higher than you.

[titanium2 867]

I got $10 says I can piss higher than you.

I've never done height or length. Though it's probably not a fair match. I'm pretty short and skinny for my age.