Goon

[Guest micah]

Strange Micah fact: I used to be able to piss really high, and it was kind of a running gag when I was in middle or highschool to yell "look how high I can pee!" at parties. Occasionally outside. Anyway, the other day I tried to pee really high and I couldn't. Not like I could back then anyway. Maybe I'm getting old. Maybe my prostate is enlarged or something. I dunno - but I do know that I can no longer pee remarkably high.

I don't think skinny has much to do with it - back when I could really piss, I couldn't have weighed more than 145.

[titanium2 867]

Strange Micah fact: I used to be able to piss really high, and it was kind of a running gag when I was in middle or highschool to yell "look how high I can pee!" at parties.

I'm sure all the ladies were saying to themselves, "And you know what they say about a guy who can piss really high..." Is that how you met your wife?

[Guest micah]

I'm sure all the ladies were saying to themselves, "And you know what they say about a guy who can piss really high..." Is that how you met your wife?

Oddly enough....sorta. Unrelated to high pissing, but I did first meet my wife at a kegger in the woods when we I was 14 or 15 and she was 16 or 17. We really hit it off pretty well, but didn't get eachother's numbers or anything. I bumped into her next at a bar, and she was done with collage, so that's what, 6 years later? It was on from there with no looking back.

[Guest Shoreline]

What's wrong with betting on the internet? And who exactly did I offer to fight?

I am a success and you are a failure. I am prepared to step up and prove myself right, you are not.....and I suspect that this is a fairly large part of the reason why I am a success and you are a failure.

"12 fights" isn't my definition of a goon, btw, it was just for clarification for betting purposes - without a clear definition, either person would be claiming victory and requesting payment. I use the terms goon, enforcer and fighter interchangebly. I probably shouldn't, but I do.Downey and Norton were goons, in that they had no role on the team other than bringing the hurt. Kenny presumably knew this when he brought them in, but he still brought them in.

And still didn't use them, and still got rid of them.

Hey guys, Kenny signed Brad Norton with the team, therefore he's going for athletes with the last name "Norton". He's going to clearly sign Ken Norton Jr, former NFL player.

Hell, they'd have the same impact on the team winning a cup. And, micah would have a good fap at how tough Norton is, being a former boxer in his young years (and son of a pro boxer).

Edited August 7, 2009 by Shoreline

[newfy 695]

And still didn't use them, and still got rid of them.

Hey guys, Kenny signed Brad Norton with the team, therefore he's going for athletes with the last name "Norton". He's going to clearly sign Ken Norton Jr, former NFL player.

Hell, they'd have the same impact on the team winning a cup. And, micah would have a good fap at how tough Norton is, being a former boxer in his young years (and son of a pro boxer).

Your logic is stuipd. Obviously Kenny brought them in to play as a goon. Downey played over 50 games and almost the whole end of the season once we lost Ellis. Hossa left at the end of this season, does that mean he gets rid of 40 goal scorers too? By what you are saying it does.

[Guest micah]

And still didn't use them, and still got rid of them.

Hey guys, Kenny signed Brad Norton with the team, therefore he's going for athletes with the last name "Norton". He's going to clearly sign Ken Norton Jr, former NFL player.

Hell, they'd have the same impact on the team winning a cup. And, micah would have a good fap at how tough Norton is, being a former boxer in his young years (and son of a pro boxer).

When Ken Holland elected to bring in Norton and Downey, what roles do you figure he thought they'd play?

[Guest Shoreline]

Your logic is stuipd. Obviously Kenny brought them in to play as a goon. Downey played over 50 games and almost the whole end of the season once we lost Ellis. Hossa left at the end of this season, does that mean he gets rid of 40 goal scorers too? By what you are saying it does.

So how'd Downey fare come playoff time? How about the next season? Wow, he played one season, few minutes, NONE of the playoffs, wasn't even used by the Wings just about the entire following season, and suddenly that means this team needs them? What happened to Norton? What happened to Mac in his second stint when all he could do was fight and not much else? Darryl Bootland? Hell, even Sean Avery didn't last long with the team. He didn't score much, but he was a major antagonist, did fight, and did rack up a s***load of PIMs for what little he played.

Why is it these guys all tended to leave the Wings as soon as that 97 cup was won? Guess why, because they weren't useful to this team, they didn't fit what this team is all about, which is, not goonery.

And seriously, you want to compare the usefulness of Hossa vs. Downey? HAHAHA. Ha. Ha. Ahem. Laughable.

When Ken Holland elected to bring in Norton and Downey, what roles do you figure he thought they'd play?

Like others here, and similarly, the Wings coaching staff, probably thought for what fighting they did, they might be able to score or contribute something else without being a liability. It seems the experiments failed, and they were let go. And your winning philosophy here is that Kenny wants goons? Hahaha.

You know, people who don't have their head up a goon's ass just might consider that, since you like putting your money where your mouth is on the internet, that perhaps Kenny likes putting his money into players who contribute more than just goonery. He's definitely shown his lack of interest there, and put this team's money elsewhere, so you goon nuts can keep finding strange rationales of deluding yourselves into thinking this team needs them to win a cup, or that this GM wants them.

Edited August 7, 2009 by Shoreline

[newfy 695]

So how'd Downey fare come playoff time? How about the next season? Wow, he played one season, few minutes, NONE of the playoffs, wasn't even used by the Wings just about the entire following season, and suddenly that means this team needs them? What happened to Norton? What happened to Mac in his second stint when all he could do was fight and not much else? Darryl Bootland? Hell, even Sean Avery didn't last long with the team. He didn't score much, but he was a major antagonist, did fight, and did rack up a s***load of PIMs for what little he played.

Why is it these guys all tended to leave the Wings as soon as that 97 cup was won? Guess why, because they weren't useful to this team, they didn't fit what this team is all about, which is, not goonery.

And seriously, you want to compare the usefulness of Hossa vs. Downey? HAHAHA. Ha. Ha. Ahem. Laughable.

Like others here, and similarly, the Wings coaching staff, probably thought for what fighting they did, they might be able to score or contribute something else without being a liability. It seems the experiments failed, and they were let go. And your winning philosophy here is that Kenny wants goons? Hahaha.

You know, people who don't have their head up a goon's ass just might consider that, since you like putting your money where your mouth is on the internet, that perhaps Kenny likes putting his money into players who contribute more than just goonery. He's definitely shown his lack of interest there, and put this team's money elsewhere, so you goon nuts can keep finding strange rationales of deluding yourselves into thinking this team needs them to win a cup, or that this GM wants them.

Holland din't think those guys could contribute scoring or anything. He brought them in as fighters plain and simple. And I wasn't saying that Downey is as useful as Hossa but by your logic what I said is true. So if you don't agree with what I said then your logic is flawed. Thanks for proving my point though. Holland didn't have cap space last year to sign a goon but the year before he played Downey and had Drake on the roster. Drake is no goon but he's a hard nosed player which you don't even seem to want. According to you it seems if they don't wear a too too and carry a purse you don't want them on the team.

[Guest Shoreline]

It's not that Holland wouldn't sign a younger version of a McCarty, or a Lucic, or hell - even a Domi who when he wasn't throwing his fists - he was a solid 3rd/4th liner...That said I don't see any of these types available that'll fulfill both roles of a player/fighrter that Holland prefers.

I'm skeptical of Domi, but er yeah, obviously the younger Mac played quite a bit, did quite a bit, and would certainly have a roster spot. Lucic, yeah, presumably, he has a s***load of skills to bring to the table and in all likelihood his fights would plummet if he joined the team. Nonetheless, I'd s*** myself if we could ever get guys like Lucic or Mike Richards.

Holland din't think those guys could contribute scoring or anything. He brought them in as fighters plain and simple. And I wasn't saying that Downey is as useful as Hossa but by your logic what I said is true. So if you don't agree with what I said then your logic is flawed. Thanks for proving my point though. Holland didn't have cap space last year to sign a goon but the year before he played Downey and had Drake on the roster. Drake is no goon but he's a hard nosed player which you don't even seem to want. According to you it seems if they don't wear a too too and carry a purse you don't want them on the team.

See, only someone who agrees with you would certainly see the wonderful logic BS you just typed in the bold. It's actually entirely wrong, but hey, you're the one proving a point. Which is.. uh.. what again? Maybe you're just tired of making bad arguments so you'll just start re-asserting how right you are so as to convince yourself.

I'm glad you used Drake though. As mentioned, the view of Drake, from a person who watched him, since he played a lot against this team, was not of a fighter, but of three things -- a cannonball being shot out of a cannon, a grinder, and an agitator. Like.. Maltby! Drake's career high in fights came with the Wings in his last season, with... 5. Comparatively, Kirk Maltby's was 3. Dallas Drake, on the other hand, almost had a career best in PIMs, as in, for fewest. Kenny has not been averse to getting a player who can fight, but their priority is playing in this team's system and being able to contribute more than fighting. This is a tough pill to swallow for some who want to act like this team packed a punch, as far as the league or Wings history is concerned, and was "tough" in that way when they weren't. Entirely one's perspective, and entirely from people who just about always talk about fighting and little else. Ironic. What one wants to believe, they only look at. For a christian, they only look to the bible and nothing else, for a muslim, the koran, and nothing else. Hence, why this goon s*** when it comes to this team is a religion. Not substantiated by facts. Substantiated by belief and made-up s***.

Actual, legitimate fighters or goons (a select few can actually put up a good amount of points) get 20-35 fights a season. This team's best "enforcer/goon", was Darren McCarty, and the guy only had more than 10 fights twice, and over 10 years ago. Here's something funny for a "point". D-Mac only played with the Wings when he could score. When he stopped scoring, he stopped playing. Simple as that. Perfect example of how this team has not even needed goons, and every one this team has taken a chance on, they haven't stayed long at all, in contrast to Mac's fairly long career is concerned. But hey, keep lying to yourself and everyone here and say your logic is right, anyone else who disagrees is wrong. This team was soooo tough that other teams f***ed with them even in the years they had Probert and Kocur. In the famous Stevie Y fight, who was on the ice at the time Kevin Maguire came after him? That's right. Probert. You think other players weren't aware that Probert could fight? They didn't give a s***. That's the way it is today.

This Wings team makes people respect them by scoring on their ass. If opposing teams want to goon up the game and start taking liberties, it's the refs jobs to call a penalty, as that is not allowed by the NHL rules. If two people who want to fight end up fighting, so be it. Some people think Kenny needs to sign guys based on those extracurriculars, and that's because they're stupid, being that it doesn't reflect reality, as Kenny doesn't, since this team started winning cups. Winning is a winning formula, scoring is a winning formula, fighting is a sideshow, and goonery is not even needed, with this team. Is it entertainment? Sure, but that's not the entertainment the Red Wings are all about. Some are even dumb enough to say that the Wings lack of fighting is why the seats are empty, instead of the real reason, which is the.. economy. The Red Wings sell more jerseys than any other team, have more visible fans than any other team, so how is it they couldn't sell out the Joe? Duh. The outer Detroit area (think people here call them the 'burbs'), which likely buys most of the tickets, can't ******* afford to. And this all started right along with the recession. Damn, rational arguments sure do suck, don't they.

Edited August 8, 2009 by Shoreline

[newfy 695]

I'm skeptical of Domi, but er yeah, obviously the younger Mac played quite a bit, did quite a bit, and would certainly have a roster spot. Lucic, yeah, presumably, he has a s***load of skills to bring to the table and in all likelihood his fights would plummet if he joined the team. Nonetheless, I'd s*** myself if we could ever get guys like Lucic or Mike Richards.

See, only someone who agrees with you would certainly see the wonderful logic BS you just typed in the bold. It's actually entirely wrong, but hey, you're the one proving a point. Which is.. uh.. what again? Maybe you're just tired of making bad arguments so you'll just start re-asserting how right you are so as to convince yourself.

I'm glad you used Drake though. As mentioned, the view of Drake, from a person who watched him, since he played a lot against this team, was not of a fighter, but of three things -- a cannonball being shot out of a cannon, a grinder, and an agitator. Like.. Maltby! Drake's career high in fights came with the Wings in his last season, with... 5. Comparatively, Kirk Maltby's was 3. Dallas Drake, on the other hand, almost had a career best in PIMs, as in, for fewest. Kenny has not been averse to getting a player who can fight, but their priority is playing in this team's system and being able to contribute more than fighting. This is a tough pill to swallow for some who want to act like this team packed a punch, as far as the league or Wings history is concerned, and was "tough" in that way when they weren't. Entirely one's perspective, and entirely from people who just about always talk about fighting and little else. Ironic. What one wants to believe, they only look at. For a christian, they only look to the bible and nothing else, for a muslim, the koran, and nothing else. Hence, why this goon s*** when it comes to this team is a religion. Not substantiated by facts. Substantiated by belief and made-up s***.

Actual, legitimate fighters or goons (a select few can actually put up a good amount of points) get 20-35 fights a season. This team's best "enforcer/goon", was Darren McCarty, and the guy only had more than 10 fights twice, and over 10 years ago. Here's something funny for a "point". D-Mac only played with the Wings when he could score. When he stopped scoring, he stopped playing. Simple as that. Perfect example of how this team has not even needed goons, and every one this team has taken a chance on, they haven't stayed long at all, in contrast to Mac's fairly long career is concerned. But hey, keep lying to yourself and everyone here and say your logic is right, anyone else who disagrees is wrong. This team was soooo tough that other teams f***ed with them even in the years they had Probert and Kocur. In the famous Stevie Y fight, who was on the ice at the time Kevin Maguire came after him? That's right. Probert. You think other players weren't aware that Probert could fight? They didn't give a s***. That's the way it is today.

This Wings team makes people respect them by scoring on their ass. If opposing teams want to goon up the game and start taking liberties, it's the refs jobs to call a penalty, as that is not allowed by the NHL rules. If two people who want to fight end up fighting, so be it. Some people think Kenny needs to sign guys based on those extracurriculars, and that's because they're stupid, being that it doesn't reflect reality, as Kenny doesn't, since this team started winning cups. Winning is a winning formula, scoring is a winning formula, fighting is a sideshow, and goonery is not even needed, with this team. Is it entertainment? Sure, but that's not the entertainment the Red Wings are all about. Some are even dumb enough to say that the Wings lack of fighting is why the seats are empty, instead of the real reason, which is the.. economy. The Red Wings sell more jerseys than any other team, have more visible fans than any other team, so how is it they couldn't sell out the Joe? Duh. The outer Detroit area (think people here call them the 'burbs'), which likely buys most of the tickets, can't ******* afford to. And this all started right along with the recession. Damn, rational arguments sure do suck, don't they.

I wouldnt expect someone like you to understand other aspects of hockey like grinding and fighting. You clearly have never strapped on the skates and played a game yourself. You're just some guy from California who sits on his couch all winter, orders NHL center ice, watches a couple games and thinks he understands what its like out there on the ice. Its too bad because you're really missing out on an important aspect of the game that you notice while on the ice much more then in the stands ( on the couch in your case).

And as for the Mcguire incident the linesman had ahold of Probie right from the get go because they knew the damage he could do. I guarantee you Mcguire didn't mess around with any RedWings after that point when Probert got loose on him.

You never see people who have played the game say that they want fighting out of hockey like you do. Once again this is because you've never played a game in your life. Guys like Mickey Redmond and even that kid who almost died last year in a fight say that fighting is in hockey to stay. I know I'm repeating myself but I'll say this once more so everyone gets it loud and clear... If you haven't played the game, you wouldn't understand so don't bother trying too. (unless you played in Europe of course)

[Guest Shoreline]

I wouldnt expect someone like you to understand other aspects of hockey like grinding and fighting. You clearly have never strapped on the skates and played a game yourself. You're just some guy from California who sits on his couch all winter, orders NHL center ice, watches a couple games and thinks he understands what its like out there on the ice. Its too bad because you're really missing out on an important aspect of the game that you notice while on the ice much more then in the stands ( on the couch in your case).

And as for the Mcguire incident the linesman had ahold of Probie right from the get go because they knew the damage he could do. I guarantee you Mcguire didn't mess around with any RedWings after that point when Probert got loose on him.

You never see people who have played the game say that they want fighting out of hockey like you do. Once again this is because you've never played a game in your life. Guys like Mickey Redmond and even that kid who almost died last year in a fight say that fighting is in hockey to stay. I know I'm repeating myself but I'll say this once more so everyone gets it loud and clear... If you haven't played the game, you wouldn't understand so don't bother trying too. (unless you played in Europe of course)

LOL. You're so flustered at someone ruining your slobbering all over goons that you've resorted to personal attacks and making up crap about me wanting fighting out of this league. Let me know when you can substantiate this with posts of me actually suggesting it. Maybe you can cite your goon bible. I bet it's in Anti-enforcer 3:16.

Well there's always the "new kid on the block" that just had to tangle with either Probert, or Kocur; usually they obliged, and more often than not they got the better of their opponent.

Not to sound like every other fan of fisticuffs, but I really do think the instigator pen allows some players to play a little reckless/cheap, and not have to worry about the repercussions for their actions. Before that if you were going to play this way you'd need eyes on the back of your head so you wouldn't get jumped..

Who was less than 50 feet away on the bench when Lappy rammed Lids into the boards? Aaron Downey. Lappy knew that retribution was coming. Did that stop him? Not a chance in hell. Was Lappy a new kid on the block? 15 seasons new, right?

What's the premise here again? That having a goon somehow stops cheap s*** from happening -- stopping cheap players from going after skill players? No, it clearly does not. The only thing that happened here was an entertaining fight, which offered people who were utterly pissed off a sort of vent by seeing Downey punch the crap out of Lappy. Lidstrom still got rammed into the boards, still got hurt, and Lappy still would do it again. Premise = fail.

Edited August 9, 2009 by Shoreline

[esteef 2,679]

Ah yes, the beloved "some cheap s*** still happens therefore enforcers are completely useless" argument. Yay!

I've lost some of my script, what comes next? The calling for proof of where an enforcer has actually deterred something right? Oh wait, there's no stat for that, nevermind.

esteef

[Guest Shoreline]

Ah yes, the beloved "some cheap s*** still happens therefore enforcers are completely useless" argument. Yay!

I've lost some of my script, what comes next? The calling for proof of where an enforcer has actually deterred something right? Oh wait, there's no stat for that, nevermind.

esteef

Why bother with stats when the results are in the same rink? If having a goon playing in the same game were a deterrent it would actually be deterring something. What is it deterring?

[newfy 695]

LOL. You're so flustered at someone ruining your slobbering all over goons that you've resorted to personal attacks and making up crap about me wanting fighting out of this league. Let me know when you can substantiate this with posts of me actually suggesting it. Maybe you can cite your goon bible. I bet it's in Anti-enforcer 3:16.

Who was less than 50 feet away on the bench when Lappy rammed Lids into the boards? Aaron Downey. Lappy knew that retribution was coming. Did that stop him? Not a chance in hell. Was Lappy a new kid on the block? 15 seasons new, right?

What's the premise here again? That having a goon somehow stops cheap s*** from happening -- stopping cheap players from going after skill players? No, it clearly does not. The only thing that happened here was an entertaining fight, which offered people who were utterly pissed off a sort of vent by seeing Downey punch the crap out of Lappy. Lidstrom still got rammed into the boards, still got hurt, and Lappy still would do it again. Premise = fail.

If you consider that post a personal attack then I see why you hate goons, you're clearly as soft as microwaved butter. Once again I'm not slobbering all over goons, let me know when you can find some posts to substantiate that I actually have suggested some big goon and not just some hard nosed grinders that can defend themselves. Now you'll make up some crap about a personal attack or some religious fighting belief because you yourself don't respond to posts without personal attack. Fighting isn't just supposed to be a deterrent, it buids a sense of team and can swing momentum as well. These are also things you wouldn't realize because you've never played a hockey game in your life.

Hopefully that post wasn't too full of personal attacks for your sensitive self to handle and I'm ready for your next post and all the religious comments and complaints of personal attacks.

[Guest Shoreline]

If you consider that post a personal attack then I see why you hate goons, you're clearly as soft as microwaved butter. Once again I'm not slobbering all over goons, let me know when you can find some posts to substantiate that I actually have suggested some big goon and not just some hard nosed grinders that can defend themselves. Now you'll make up some crap about a personal attack or some religious fighting belief because you yourself don't respond to posts without personal attack. Fighting isn't just supposed to be a deterrent, it buids a sense of team and can swing momentum as well. These are also things you wouldn't realize because you've never played a hockey game in your life.

Hopefully that post wasn't too full of personal attacks for your sensitive self to handle and I'm ready for your next post and all the religious comments and complaints of personal attacks.

Anything about goons here? Nope. Oh, but lots of posts about people who criticize goons being necessary for the Red Wings to win, on the other hand, only loving "soft european" teams. Kinda hard to be taken seriously when all you can do is caricature what you're trying to criticize. Try actually addressing points relevantly and with a bit of intelligence. A debate class helps. Right now this macho business isn't impressing nor convincing anyone of anything.

All you do is ridicule people who want toughness on this team. I've never said I want some 6'5 guy that can only fight. Yiou like to talk about how people don't read your posts before they respond but maybe you should give it a try sometime. I've said I want a tough grinder on this team, you call me out for wanting a goon. I say I want someone like Drake, you talk about how he was never a fighter and try to contradict my posts like that as well. You're not happy if I say I want a goon and you're not happy when I say I want a toguh grinder who can stick up for himself.

I'm not a goon lover, I'm someone who sees the toughnses department an area Detroit could improve on. You're never perfect.

Oh and your religious bulls*** you ramble on about everyother post, its a two way street. Your soft hockey loving, europen hockey fanatic,never touched the ice in my life but think I know something about how it is on the ice self sonuds pretty religious in how you worship any hockey that isn't tough.

Proof of loving "soft hockey"? Definitions please. Posts please. I can give you plenty of posts of mine, and I already have given you several, of myself suggesting this team needs to hit more in the games they were passive in, and wishing to sign players who can certainly fight, but first and foremost actually contribute the most useful thing, which is scoring and bringing energy. Hence why Dallas Drake played in the playoffs. Downey did not.

Btw, this has been a "soft European" team by your standards for 4 cups. Either you're bulls***ting about knowing anything about hockey, or the Red Wings, or your views, like religion, do not represent reality with this team. You're a fan of a particular style of play, obviously, given your posts, far more than this team, and that's all you care to focus on. Time for your confessional visit.

Edited August 9, 2009 by Shoreline

[skacore 2]

Anything about goons here? Nope. Oh, but lots of posts about people who criticize goons being necessary for the Red Wings to win, on the other hand, only loving "soft european" teams. Kinda hard to be taken seriously when all you can do is caricature what you're trying to criticize. Try actually addressing points relevantly and with a bit of intelligence. A debate class helps. Right now this macho business isn't impressing nor convincing anyone of anything.

Proof of loving "soft hockey"? Definitions please. Posts please. I can give you plenty of posts of mine, and I already have given you several, of myself suggesting this team needs to hit more in the games they were passive in, and wishing to sign players who can certainly fight, but first and foremost actually contribute the most useful thing, which is scoring and bringing energy. Hence why Dallas Drake played in the playoffs. Downey did not.

Btw, this has been a "soft European" team by your standards for 4 cups. Either you're bulls***ting about knowing anything about hockey, or the Red Wings, or your views, like religion, do not represent reality with this team. You're a fan of a particular style of play, obviously, given your posts, far more than this team, and that's all you care to focus on. Time for your confessional visit.

17 pages still truckin along...hows your weekend been bro?? patrolling the boards extra hard today??

[Doc Holiday 0]

"Guys! We need a goon!"

"No we don't! Goons can't score!"

"Yeah, because we never had a goon on cup winning teams! That's why we won those cups!"

"Goons are a waste of space!"

"The Wings are soft!"

"YOU are soft!"

"I bet you've never played hockey before!"

"Ken Holland is always right!"

"Your mom is always right!"

And that's basically what I got from this thread.

[55fan 5,133]

Ah yes, the beloved "some cheap s*** still happens therefore enforcers are completely useless" argument. Yay!

I've lost some of my script, what comes next? The calling for proof of where an enforcer has actually deterred something right? Oh wait, there's no stat for that, nevermind.

esteef

Unless my script is wrong, this is where I pull out my condom analogy:

In terms of prevention, enforcers are like condoms. You can use a condom 82 times in a year (not the same one with the condoms, of course), and you have no idea what it prevented. You just know that the fact that you are wearing one means that your chances are much more in your favour. You feel safer with one. Maybe nothing would have happened, but you don't know how many times something bad was prevented, so you keep using one.

Like condoms, enforcers don't prevent everything, and they can't undo the bad things that happen, but when is the last time a condom went out and beat up the guy who gave you gonorrhea?

You're welcome.

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

Chicago can't afford Kane next year. We should grab him to be our goon.

[Mors 201]

Chicago can't afford Kane next year. We should grab him to be our goon.

That might work out if the other teams start skating cab drivers on their 3rd and 4th lines.

[esteef 2,679]

Unless my script is wrong, this is where I pull out my condom analogy:

In terms of prevention, enforcers are like condoms. You can use a condom 82 times in a year (not the same one with the condoms, of course), and you have no idea what it prevented. You just know that the fact that you are wearing one means that your chances are much more in your favour. You feel safer with one. Maybe nothing would have happened, but you don't know how many times something bad was prevented, so you keep using one.

Like condoms, enforcers don't prevent everything, and they can't undo the bad things that happen, but when is the last time a condom went out and beat up the guy who gave you gonorrhea?

You're welcome.

Moral of the story...enforcers > condoms.

esteef

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Unless my script is wrong, this is where I pull out my condom analogy:

In terms of prevention, enforcers are like condoms. You can use a condom 82 times in a year (not the same one with the condoms, of course), and you have no idea what it prevented. You just know that the fact that you are wearing one means that your chances are much more in your favour. You feel safer with one. Maybe nothing would have happened, but you don't know how many times something bad was prevented, so you keep using one.

Like condoms, enforcers don't prevent everything, and they can't undo the bad things that happen, but when is the last time a condom went out and beat up the guy who gave you gonorrhea?

You're welcome.

There's countless jokes that GMR could make right now out of your post, but I think I'll just backtrack and say, WOW!.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

"Guys! We need a goon!"

"No we don't! Goons can't score!"

"Yeah, because we never had a goon on cup winning teams! That's why we won those cups!"

"Goons are a waste of space!"

"The Wings are soft!"

"YOU are soft!"

"I bet you've never played hockey before!"

"Ken Holland is always right!"

"Your mom is always right!"

And that's basically what I got from this thread.

Yeah?! Oh yeah?!

You mom's so fat when her beeper goes off people think she's backing up!

Yeah, well you're mom's so fat that when she sits on the bus, she sits next to everybody!

Your mom's so old when she was in school they didn't have history!

[titanium2 867]

Yeah?! Oh yeah?!

You mom's so fat when her beeper goes off people think she's backing up!

Yeah, well you're mom's so fat that when she sits on the bus, she sits next to everybody!

Your mom's so old when she was in school they didn't have history!

I supposed you watch House, Fresh Prince of Bel Air and...(blank).

Well, that's just where I've heard of those yomomma jokes.

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17 pages still truckin along...hows your weekend been bro?? patrolling the boards extra hard today??

Hey bro, dude, been out having a few drinks with friends (woke up pretty late today), catching up with some I didn't see in months and stopped by in town. Playing games. Listening to lots of music. Having a good time. Posting on the forums, using the internet as I have for the last near 15 years. How about you? Being cool on the internet all weekend? Boxing some soft European's head off? Patrolling the internet making sure everyone spends their time in a way approved by you? Damn I wish I was that cool.