Wings sign Todd Bertuzzi

[Broken 16 381]

I gotta be honest. I don't like this at all. I know that people say that the wings could use some extra muscle here and there but Todd Bertuzzi? He's a totally classless, unprofessional goon. The Wings signing Todd Bertuzzi is like The United States electing a known crime boss to Congress. It's ridiculous! This is the same guy who sucker punched a guy from behind and sent him to the hospital, then cried boo hoo "that's not how I play the game" in his press conference apology. Are we serious?

I'm not talking about his level of play. I'm not talking about his ability to be a secondary scorer. I don't care about his injury ridden past with the wings. I'm not sitting here going "oh he's no good. He can't do this or that."

I'm saying he's an ******* who, by his very signing, makes the entire Wings organization look like assholes.

I don't like it. not one bit.

We'll see how long it is before your firmly planted on Berts beanbag. I'll say after the 20th goal, you'll forget what a villian Bert can be.

The guy made a bad call based on the direction of his coach, Mark Crawford (who else did that guy coach that made an awful decision... oh yea, Claude Lemieux. Coincidence? I think not.) He paid his dues, made a heartfelt apology (f***in cried on national TV for God's sake!), visited the guy in the hospital, has had to carry around this stigma for years.

You're probably part of the same crowd that complained that there was nobody to protect players like Datsyuk. Now he's here (thank God) and all you can do is dwell on the past. That was a different time, a different team and, more importantly, a different coach. Let it go.

How many mistakes have you made in your life? None I assume, based on what you are saying in your post.

Long story short... you're a moron. Go watch curling.

Edited August 20, 2009 by Broken 16

[Dabura 12,232]

I'm saying he's an ******* who, by his very signing, makes the entire Wings organization look like assholes.

I've met the guy. I can tell you he's not an ******* -- or a monster.

[sibiriak 84]

You should know by now that the Wings always air on the side of "veteran". And like it or not, those four are all technically rookies until they have "full" seasons. It's not necessarily an issue with maturity as much as it's an issue with predicting what you'll get over the course of a campaign.

When was the last time you remember us having 4 rookies set to play full time (not injury replacements) on the squad in October?

That is true. But if I were the GM :idea: I'd always have 2 rookies on my 4th line, and maybe another one on one of the top 2 lines, if I had an outstanding rookie on my team.

[puertoricanWingsfan 5]

We'll see how long it is before your firmly planted on Berts beanbag. I'll say after the 20th goal, you'll forget what a villian Bert can be.

The guy made a bad call based on the direction of his coach, Mark Crawford (who else did that guy coach that made an awful decision... oh yea, Claude Lemieux. Coincidence? I think not.) He paid his dues, made a heartfelt apology (f***in cried on national TV for God's sake!), visited the guy in the hospital, has had to carry around this stigma for years.

You're probably part of the same crowd that complained that there was nobody to protect players like Datsyuk. Now he's here (thank God) and all you can do is dwell on the past. That was a different time, a different team and, more importantly, a different coach. Let it go.

How many mistakes have you made in your life? None I assume, based on what you are saying in your post.

Long story short... you're a moron. Go watch curling.

First things first. You don't know me. and I never said anything implying that I've never made a mistake in my life, not that my life is even one bit relevant to the game of hockey. But let's get one thing straight: there's a difference between a mistake and a pre-meditated action. After a mistake you say, "oops! My bad! I didn't mean to do that. I spelled your name with a 'c' instead of a 'k.'" A pre-meditated action is when you considered the ramifications of what you were about to do, and you did it anyway. Don't even try to make the foolish mistake of putting all the blame for the Moore incident on the coach. Did the coach have blame, certainly. But there's a reason why Crawford told Bertuzzi to do it: He knew that Bert was a GOON.

Here's the next thing: You don't know me. As a matter of fact, I am NOT in the crowd of people complaining that Datsyuk has no protection. I happen to be in the crowd of people that says our team has done just fine without a goon patrolling our ice. And I don't care if Bertuzzi scores FORTY goals this season. I'm still not going to be, how did you say it, firmly planted on his beanbag, which you already seem to be. I'll appreciate his goal contribution, but I still won't like him. If the Wings ever signed Chris Pronger, there'd be plenty of people who feel the same way.

That was indeed a different time and a different coach, but he's still a classless goon.

Long story short, I'm not a moron. Just a fan who is actually concerned about the public image of his favorite franchise.

as for the curling quip, curling would probably be a better sport for you to watch. It's all about sweeping. And you my friend, are sweeping the truth under the rug.

Edited August 21, 2009 by puertoricanWingsfan

[Broken 16 381]

First things first. You don't know me. and I never said anything implying that I've never made a mistake in my life, not that my life is even one bit relevant to the game of hockey.

It was a rhetorical question...

But let's get one thing straight: there's a difference between a mistake and a pre-meditated action. After a mistake you say, "oops! My bad! I didn't mean to do that. I spelled your name with a 'c' instead of a 'k.'" A pre-meditated action is when you considered the ramifications of what you were about to do, and you did it anyway. Don't even try to make the foolish mistake of putting all the blame for the Moore incident on the coach. Did the coach have blame, certainly. But there's a reason why Crawford told Bertuzzi to do it: He knew that Bert was a GOON.

Here's the next thing: You don't know me. As a matter of fact, I am NOT in the crowd of people complaining that Datsyuk has no protection. I happen to be in the crowd of people that says our team has done just fine without a goon patrolling our ice. And I don't care if Bertuzzi scores FORTY goals this season. I'm still not going to be, how did you say it, firmly planted on his beanbag, which you already seem to be. I'll appreciate his goal contribution, but I still won't like him. If the Wings ever signed Chris Pronger, there'd be plenty of people who feel the same way.

That was indeed a different time and a different coach, but he's still a classless goon.

Long story short, I'm not a moron. Just a fan who is actually concerned about the public image of his favorite franchise.

Some people hold grudges and others don't. I get it.

Edited August 21, 2009 by Broken 16

[rob301980 0]

All these people say their mad cause Holland brought back Bertuzzi! but if you read the bible the Lord Jesus Christ says forgive always. So if you don't like him then I think maybe you don't have a true hart to forgive and forget!

[thedisappearer 291]

All these people say their mad cause Holland brought back Bertuzzi! but if you read the bible the Lord Jesus Christ says forgive always. So if you don't like him then I think maybe you don't have a true hart to forgive and forget!

No Wing has had a Hart since Federov in 94.

[mmamolo 287]

No Wing has had a Hart since Federov in 94.

I think i see one in Datsyuk's future

[newfy 695]

People who are upset that the wings added someone who is in their opinion a goon are delusional if they care about the public image of their team. Its hockey for god's sake, they don't have to all be classy byng nominees.

Having that a team that is all tougher players is better then an image of a bunch of classy, soft players.

[puertoricanWingsfan 5]

People who are upset that the wings added someone who is in their opinion a goon are delusional if they care about the public image of their team. Its hockey for god's sake, they don't have to all be classy byng nominees.

Having that a team that is all tougher players is better then an image of a bunch of classy, soft players.

That would be true except that that team fully of classy, soft players has been a dominant force in the western conference for quite some time now. There are plenty of teams full of tough players that keep getting punked by Dats, Z, and the rest of the classy, soft players on our roster

[Electrophile 3,554]

All these people say their mad cause Holland brought back Bertuzzi! but if you read the bible the Lord Jesus Christ says forgive always. So if you don't like him then I think maybe you don't have a true hart to forgive and forget!

Save your sermon for Sunday, Reverend.

[Zetts 236]

Save your sermon for Sunday, Reverend.

I'm hoping that what he said was a joke.

[Dabura 12,232]

Anyone who's fretting over what effect this will have on the Wings' image needs a reality check. Non-Wings fans hate the Wings almost as much as they love their respective teams. Adding Bertuzzi doesn't suddenly make them villains in people's eyes. They're always villains.

[eva unit zero 271]

All these people say their mad cause Holland brought back Bertuzzi! but if you read the bible the Lord Jesus Christ says forgive always. So if you don't like him then I think maybe you don't have a true hart to forgive and forget!

You can forgive.

But the Bible doesn't say that you have to, instead of holding a grudge against a person for something they have done to you, turn around and become their BFF. Or, in the case of a hockey player, to forgive and then to make them one of your favorite players when previously you could not stand them.

Forgiveness, as said by Jesus, means nothing more than not holding a grudge.

To elaborate further; I do not hold a grudge against Todd Bertuzzi for his actions. I think his actions were wrong and I think they were intentional, but I do not hold a grudge against him for them. However, he still is a player I do not and never have liked, and I wish he had not been signed by the Wings. I wish they had signed Taylor Pyatt or Mike Peca instead.

In other words...the Bible doesn't say "Bertuzzi f***ed up, forgive him for it and deal with it, go buy a Bertuzzi jersey and root him on."

[Copenhagen848 58]

I'm very glad that Bertuzzi is a Wing again. I couldn't care less what people think about the Red Wings organization and their "class" etc. If you ask me, I think it's pretty ridiculous that any fan really cares what other team's fan's think about another organization. It's almost as ridiculous as people who refer to the Red Wings as "we" or "our", etc.

Anyways, if I really cared about what other people and other teams thought about the Wings, I'd rather have them be a little worried about Bert getting a little nasty than thinking the Wings are a bunch of "soft Europeans hiding behind their shields". The Wings could use a couple more nasty players with that same reputation.

Am I the only one who misses old time rock'em sock'em hockey? I don't much care for this pansy-ass, complain about everything, call everything, new rules era. I want to see sticks, skates, and fists a' flyin!

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Anyone who's fretting over what effect this will have on the Wings' image needs a reality check. Non-Wings fans hate the Wings almost as much as they love their respective teams. Adding Bertuzzi doesn't suddenly make them villains in people's eyes. They're always villains.

^ This.

Some are always going to dislike Bertuzzi because of the "incident" or whatever other reasons they have, and nobody here will change their minds. The only chance that their minds will be changed is by Bertuzzi himself. No problem with that.

Signing Bertuzzi doesn't diminish the Wings image or make them less "classy" or more hated. Winning on a consistent basis for over a decade has made them villains. I like my team being a villain for that reason.

And, just as a quick side-note rant, I absolutely hate the word class in here and how it is used to identify things.

[58Miles2Joe 12]

found this highly amusing...

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[uk_redwing 495]

found this highly amusing...

A2Y blog post (read comments)

Thats the greatest thing ever

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

People who are upset that the wings added someone who is in their opinion a goon are delusional if they care about the public image of their team. Its hockey for god's sake, they don't have to all be classy byng nominees.

Having that a team that is all tougher players is better then an image of a bunch of classy, soft players.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[VM1138 1,921]

Couldn't have said it better myself

For the millionth time, tough teams don't win jack s*** if they don't have any talent. I'm so tired of people thinking "toughness=win."

BALANCE= Win.

[Doc Holiday 0]

People who are upset that the wings added someone who is in their opinion a goon are delusional if they care about the public image of their team. Its hockey for god's sake, they don't have to all be classy byng nominees.

Having that a team that is all tougher players is better then an image of a bunch of classy, soft players.

Not if the soft players are much more talented than the tougher players.

Edited August 23, 2009 by Doc Holiday

[newfy 695]

Not if the soft players are much more talented than the tougher players.

Well no s***. I meant if the tough team won as much as the classy team who wouldn't rather have the tough image then the classy, use our PP as the enforcer image?

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

For the millionth time, tough teams don't win jack s*** if they don't have any talent. I'm so tired of people thinking "toughness=win."

BALANCE= Win.

well,as we learned last year,if u have a bunch of ballerinas without any grit,things dont work out too well..im tired of people thinking skill and skill alone wins championships,this is hockey,after all.

[Doc Holiday 0]

well,as we learned last year,if u have a bunch of ballerinas without any grit,things dont work out too well..im tired of people thinking skill and skill alone wins championships,this is hockey,after all.

Pretty sure Complacency and Hossa lost us the championship this year.

But hey, I guess having Downey on the fourth line would have inspired Hossa to not suck, right?

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Pretty sure Complacency and Hossa lost us the championship this year.

But hey, I guess having Downey on the fourth line would have inspired Hossa to not suck, right?

dude seriously,the KHL is your league,bud