13dangledangle 968 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 I think Bert has impressed me alot, his skating is great and he learned Defence! Actual Defence, that is awesome that he altered his style for this team...playing with Dats and Hank will only help him mesh the two even quicker, I mean what choice do the euro twins leave you! Go Big Bert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) If you think Lang and Bert are similar or remind you of each other, then you obviously never watched hockey in the Red Wing/Lang days. They are nothing NOTHING alike. Bert has been great defensively and is single handedly responsible for the puck not going in twice so far this season. If not for those defensive plays, chances are Wings would have lost those games. Lang on the other hand was single handedly responsible for losing games by his bone head plays. If he can continue to be defensively strong and if he scores 15 - 20 goals, then he's more than earned his money. Bert has been great so far. Too bad people have unreasonable expectation from everyone on the roster. Some of these new comer fans can not concept NHL as a real human sport; its not NHL10 that you can select your skill level and play on xbox. Edited October 11, 2009 by Snazzy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 because i was formerly a season tickey holder for the flames ahl team, i have followed them for the last few years. all of the flames fans disliked Bertuzzi because he was lazy defensively and made tons of stupid turnovers. as someone that watched a fair amount of flames games, i can see why they felt that way. so even though bertuzzi does have a pretty small salary, i still expect very little. so far, in the 3 games i have seen, he has shown that he is still very much that same player. i very much expect him to be one of the most hated wings in a month or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Copenhagen848 58 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 I don't agree with the OP at all....I've been impressed with his play thus far. As mentioned, last night he looked very solid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 Bertuzzi spent the entire game at the half-boards? In all seriousness, I think it's more of a chemistry thing right now. The line was developing chances, Bert was making passes, but everything was just a little off. Like other people have said, we'll have to see if he can get the timing down with Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) because i was formerly a season tickey holder for the flames ahl team, i have followed them for the last few years. all of the flames fans disliked Bertuzzi because he was lazy defensively and made tons of stupid turnovers. as someone that watched a fair amount of flames games, i can see why they felt that way. so even though bertuzzi does have a pretty small salary, i still expect very little. so far, in the 3 games i have seen, he has shown that he is still very much that same player. i very much expect him to be one of the most hated wings in a month or so. Sheeesh..he's played only 4 games in a system he's not all use to. I think he's doing fine. Edited October 11, 2009 by Hockeymom1960 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 Funny, when there's a whistle in front of the net and Bert is there, magically no one takes cheap shots at him like they do with Homer and Franzen. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 Yeah, if he can't score with Pavel and Hank on the same line, then he'll never score here. Like I said last night, what I want to see the most from him is punishing hits and him running people into the boards. Haven't seen it so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richard88 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 If Bertuzzi is "lazy" defensively than he looks like a Selke winner compared to Cleary and Franzen. Bertuzzi is filling the role of Holmstrom better than Holmstrom ever has. His passing is a little off and thats part of the problem. You could see it last night during the first few minutes of the game he was along the boards exiting the wings zone and one handed the puck. He was trying to pass it to Datsyuk but it was completely off. Bertuzzi broke his stick on the ice. Holmstrom was never known for his passing.. skating or even back checking so its an improvement in every area. Oh and Bertuzzi will actually hit and defend himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) Yeah, if he can't score with Pavel and Hank on the same line, then he'll never score here. Like I said last night, what I want to see the most from him is punishing hits and him running people into the boards. Haven't seen it so far. I couldn't disagree more. All the Wings need to do, as a whole, is win games and make the playoffs without getting banged up and injured. That's what they need to do. Bert is welcome to play physical in the playoffs, but right now he needs to play smart and stay healthy. Wings have more than enough bad injuries from key roster players to deal with. Let May and the grind line be the bruisers, that's what they're for. Edited October 11, 2009 by Snazzy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 I couldn't disagree more. All the Wings need to do, as a whole, is win games and make the playoffs without getting banged up and injured. That's what they need to do. Bert is welcome to play physical in the playoffs, but right now he needs to play smart and stay healthy. Wings have more than enough bad injuries from key roster players to deal with. Let May and the grind line be the bruisers, that's what they're for. You're saying that he should shy away from physical contact? Physicality is a good thing in hockey, not a bad thing. He'd be a great compliment to Hank and Pavel's finesse. You want to see players avoiding contact, go watch the KHL. The injuries are not necessarily related to physical play and can occur in many odd ways, just like Franzen's injury. I'm not saying Bertuzzi should dive into the other team's bench and start attacking people, I'm just saying he needs to use his big body more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richard88 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 You can hit people without hurting yourself.. Source: Pavel Datsyuk. Datsuyk plays balls out for 82 games, gets hurt in the playoffs and everyone acts like hes a bust. While other plays "Save it" for a 24 game playoff. Some players need to step up and stop "Saving it". If Theo Fleury can knock people on their asses with ease, so can everyone on this roster but they choose not to. And that doesn't mean a guy like Bertuzzi should curtail his physical play, if anything it should be encouraged. Just like the second St. Louis game in Sweden. They took a run at Osgood, dumped him on his ass and it wasn't accidental. Rational reaction? Next time Mason is playing the puck go through him instead of around him. Red Wing's reaction? Sit back and let St. Louis walk all over them. Seriously its really hard to argue that a lot of players on this team don't play as soft as butter. Makes losing Lilja and Samuelsson that much worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 Bertuzzi spent the entire game at the half-boards? In all seriousness, I think it's more of a chemistry thing right now. The line was developing chances, Bert was making passes, but everything was just a little off. Like other people have said, we'll have to see if he can get the timing down with Zetterberg. This. His defense is improving and they're still sorting out chemistry. This thread is lazy and it sucks.â„¢ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 If Bertuzzi is "lazy" defensively than he looks like a Selke winner compared to Cleary and Franzen. Bertuzzi is filling the role of Holmstrom better than Holmstrom ever has. His passing is a little off and thats part of the problem. You could see it last night during the first few minutes of the game he was along the boards exiting the wings zone and one handed the puck. He was trying to pass it to Datsyuk but it was completely off. Bertuzzi broke his stick on the ice. Holmstrom was never known for his passing.. skating or even back checking so its an improvement in every area. Oh and Bertuzzi will actually hit and defend himself. Wonderful example. That explains why Cleary and Franzen (at times) kill penalties and Bertuzzi never will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 He saved 100% goal in 3rd period against Chicago. He played very well def. last game... Looked pretty good with Pavel and Hank... better things will come up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blood On The Ice 15 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 I thought he looked decent. And even babcock said it was the best game he has seen Bert play in years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 You're saying that he should shy away from physical contact? Yes. We need everyone healthy for the playoffs. Holland just signed May for the dirty work Physicality is a good thing in hockey, not a bad thing. It's great for players who aren't injury prone. Bert is doing absolutly fine the way he is playing. He single handedly saved a goal that resulted in a "W". He'd be a great compliment to Hank and Pavel's finesse. Indeed. If he plays smart and stays healthy. He won't compliment Hank and Pav too much if he's out for the rest of the year. You want to see players avoiding contact, go watch the KHL. No thanks. I'd prefer watching the Wings win the ultimate prize; Lord Stanley. Perhaps you should find a goon team to root for that probably won't even make the playoffs. The injuries are not necessarily related to physical play and can occur in many odd ways, just like Franzen's injury. We don't need another Franzen-type injury from key players on this team. I'm not saying Bertuzzi should dive into the other team's bench and start attacking people, I'm just saying he needs to use his big body more. Maybe you're new to hockey, I dunno.. but Bert isn't known to be like Wolverine from X-men that can't be injured. It's no secret Bert has a glass back and is injury prone. Why aggravate it for the meaningless season? Wings don't need the Presidents trophy, they needs to stay healthy. Based on past post from you, maybe you prefer to join this forum and spend all your time over there = http://www.mmaforum.com/ GMR, don't take your eye off the ultimate prize in the NHL: the Stanley Cup. Everything else is pure meaningless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richard88 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 Wonderful example. That explains why Cleary and Franzen (at times) kill penalties and Bertuzzi never will. No, all it suggests is that Bertuzzi is better at 5 on 5 than Franzen or Cleary. You're using the same argument people use when discussing Zetterberg being better defensively than Datsyuk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sperber 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 those players are not very comparable: Lang was very, very talented, but lazy Bertuzzi has back and baggage (read: moore) problems Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 There is a huge difference, Robert Lang made 5million a season and rarely played like a 5million dollar player, I would have had no problem with Lang at 1.5 million. That's all Bertuzzi makes, those that expect a 30goal 60pt crushing power forward are setting themselves up for disappointment. Let's be honest, if he were still capable of that he wouldn't be here making 1.5. Level set your expectations then judge his play, he is doing fine, he's not a bargin but he's also not overpaid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richard88 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 If anything, Bertuzzi has outplayed Williams by a fair margin and that is really the only comparison needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deetroit dario 27 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 he's made a couple bad passes and signaled a SOG by looking over his shoulder for zetterberg, but at the same time he's been faaaaar more defensively responsible/capable than i ever thought he could be... only time he's looked ugly out there is when the camera gives us a closeup of his face. and he can't help that, can he? bert...if you read this....just funnin' ya buddy! please don't kill me!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 Bertuzzi was actually getting involved with the eurotwins creative plays last night. Once these guys get going Bertuzzi could very well be a good fit with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 There is a huge difference, Robert Lang made 5million a season and rarely played like a 5million dollar player, I would have had no problem with Lang at 1.5 million. That's all Bertuzzi makes, those that expect a 30goal 60pt crushing power forward are setting themselves up for disappointment. Let's be honest, if he were still capable of that he wouldn't be here making 1.5. Level set your expectations then judge his play, he is doing fine, he's not a bargin but he's also not overpaid. Careful, logic doesn't go very well around here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 Bertuzzi played his best game so far this season last night. Let's not jump to ridiculous conclusions just yet. Don't get me wrong, I highly doubt Big Bert will be a game-breaker very often, but I'd still take him over Robert Lazy any day of the week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
