stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) Bert and Dats look like they're really starting to gel and Holmer screening the net with two guys on his line with accurate shots... I know last night was an anomaly (score wise) - but hopefully they continue to play this smooth... that could be a major resurgence for Bert Edited November 12, 2009 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 that sure would be an odd line - two slow guys who cant really skate or pass well with someone who is elite in that regard. as for bertuzzi im expecting around 15 goals from him this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 agreed, i think they'll start turning it around. i just thought it was funny how hitchcock earlier said he wants to make the wings bleed, and insted columbus gets destroyed by detroit haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Bert seems to be making little fantsy passes that arent workin entering the zone ... I thought he looked horrible in the offensive end .. needs to shoot more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Bert and Dats look like they're really starting to gel and Holmer screening the newt with two guys on his line with accurate shots... I know last night was an anomaly (score wise) - but hopefully they continue to play this smooth... that could be a major resurgence for Bert I agree, especially if Bertuzzi can start to bury his chances. What the hell is a "newt" by the way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I agree, especially if Bertuzzi can start to bury his chances. What the hell is a "newt" by the way? new gingrich? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Playing with Lidstrom-Rafalski on the blue line the majority of the time should really up the effectiveness of that line (not just for the obvious reasons). Given the fact that Bert likes to crash the net (where Homer also makes his living) it'll be extremely helpful for Dats to be able to move the puck between two smooth passing defensemen which is key to opening things up for Bert and Homer down low. Guys like Lebda, Stuart and E don't possess that level of natural instincts. Not to say they won't be dangerous, but this is when they'll be most effective given how that line is likely to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 I agree, especially if Bertuzzi can start to bury his chances. What the hell is a "newt" by the way? ? They're pretty small. Wouldn't be too difficult to screen really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 To be honest, everytime Bert fumbles a scoring chance I can only think of how awesome it would be if we had Franzen on that line instead. But they have looked pretty good. Bert can make some dangerous behind-the-back passes and stuff like that, but he's been skating well and creating some room for Pavel. Homer is doing his thing, and doing it better than in a long time. If Leino, Hank and Cleary can keep looking as good as they did last night we're in good shape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) Bert, currently is "on pace" for 15 goals, but considering how close he's been getting (posts, just wide, blocked, etc.) he's bound to get more than that. Also on pace for 41 points. I don't usually put stock in "on pace" but he seems pretty consistent this season, trying to hammer away those goals. Edited November 12, 2009 by VM1138 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 When Datsyuk has a monster of a game like he did last night, any line he's on would look good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 When Datsyuk has a monster of a game like he did last night, any line he's on would look good. there's the key. though i do think holmstrom has upped his level of play a ton compared to the last couple years. instead of just being a role player like he was for years, he is actually the one generating some good chances and goals. i still think bertuzzi is a bum. that was great when he couldn't even put in those open net chances last night. if you look at his last 100 games, all those posts and near misses aren't indicative of him breaking out, they are indicative of a guy that just doesn't have a very good skill set anymore. as someone mentioned, wouldn't it be nice to have franzen there who could actually finish once in a while? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b-random 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 i still think bertuzzi is a bum. that was great when he couldn't even put in those open net chances last night. if you look at his last 100 games, all those posts and near misses aren't indicative of him breaking out, they are indicative of a guy that just doesn't have a very good skill set anymore. as someone mentioned, wouldn't it be nice to have franzen there who could actually finish once in a while? While I think the jury is still out on Bert (no pun intended), I think he's been quite good. I know he's had D and Z as his linemates for most of the season but he's getting plenty of chances, he's just not finishing. He definitely doesn't have the shot that Franzen does, but he still has some hands and can control the puck down low because of his size. If he can start finishing on some of these chances, I think he's gonna surprise everyone. He's been hitting posts like crazy and coming soooo close to scoring, you have to chalk some of that up to bad luck whether you like him or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Bert needs to start burying the puck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavel Hossyukstrom 2 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 yeah this line looked great last night. But my fav was the Draper Helm Eaves line, they were beastly last night at times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 While I think the jury is still out on Bert (no pun intended), I think he's been quite good. I know he's had D and Z as his linemates for most of the season but he's getting plenty of chances, he's just not finishing. He definitely doesn't have the shot that Franzen does, but he still has some hands and can control the puck down low because of his size. If he can start finishing on some of these chances, I think he's gonna surprise everyone. He's been hitting posts like crazy and coming soooo close to scoring, you have to chalk some of that up to bad luck whether you like him or not. but when is this going to ever change? he has been hitting posts and just missing pretty much since day 1 of the season. we are now a quarter of the way through the season and still waiting. as i have mentioned before, calgary fans are still waiting to see him get into a groove from last year. sure the guy can put up an average amount of points. sure he isn't making too much relevant to the cap. but that doesn't change the fact that he is just not a very good player. as noted before, robert lang was a very similar player and was pretty much universally hated. with all the injuries guys need to step it up. that doesn't mean hitting 4 posts a night instead of 2. that means actually finishing some plays and not turning the puck over so darn much. there are 2 phrases i have heard way too much this year concerning bertuzzi: "wow what a horrible turnover on that back pass, he needs to just get it deep" and "he held that puck way too long, he has to make a pass/decision quicker" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 but when is this going to ever change? he has been hitting posts and just missing pretty much since day 1 of the season. we are now a quarter of the way through the season and still waiting. as i have mentioned before, calgary fans are still waiting to see him get into a groove from last year. sure the guy can put up an average amount of points. sure he isn't making too much relevant to the cap. but that doesn't change the fact that he is just not a very good player. as noted before, robert lang was a very similar player and was pretty much universally hated. with all the injuries guys need to step it up. that doesn't mean hitting 4 posts a night instead of 2. that means actually finishing some plays and not turning the puck over so darn much. there are 2 phrases i have heard way too much this year concerning bertuzzi: "wow what a horrible turnover on that back pass, he needs to just get it deep" and "he held that puck way too long, he has to make a pass/decision quicker" A. We still have 4 more games before we're a quarter of the way through the season - a lot can happen in 4 games. B. I'd rather have a guy hitting the post, than missing the net - he WILL start to bury them and he's still on pace for a 40+ pt season - not bad for 1.5 mil - let's not forget what he is at this stage, OR what we're paying him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 yeah this line looked great last night. But my fav was the Draper Helm Eaves line, they were beastly last night at times. not only that line, but it was good to see the whole team get on a roll last night. every line scored! i like leino on the line with z and cleary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 that sure would be an odd line - two slow guys who cant really skate or pass well with someone who is elite in that regard. as for bertuzzi im expecting around 15 goals from him this season. I absolutely hated this line at first for exactly that reason, I felt like Datsyuk needed at least one guy to sort of keep up with him to give him options and prevent him from trying to do too much. Starting to come around though, because of the way Datsyuk sucks in the defense, yet can still get a pass through guys and on the tape. It's given Homer and Bert a lot of open ice and a lot of great looks that I don't think they'd be getting playing with anyone else, not even Z. One's buried a lot of these chances, one hasn't obviously, but I think that'll balance out over the course of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsasuk 2 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 No body get all excited about Bertuzzi. Yes he is off to a good start, but he will get injured because he is Bertuzzi and thats what he does. If he doesnt get injured for some magical reason, hell probably stay hot for a little more time and then cool down and then start dropping down the lines from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4. Hell get 40 pts max this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
useyourillusion 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 what lines weren't amazing last night? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
