11/18 GDT: Stars 3 at Red Wings 1

[95MadeMeCry 11]

pavel needs a triggerman. we need to finish when we are given pp chances..........

[WpgMikos 17]

Ok now that I can actually see the video I don't understand the "intent rule". Who cares if his intent was to blow his whistle if the puck was already in the net. Anyone care to clarify?

[titanium2 867]

Man that was... Wow... I mean... Jeez. What the hell was that? I mean, seriously. What the hell was that? By that standard everybody on this board should be a ref.

[egroen 384]

Ok now that I can actually see the video I don't understand the "intent rule". Who cares if his intent was to blow his whistle if the puck was already in the net. Anyone care to clarify?

"Instant replay only exists to highlight how incompetent our refs are."

[ShanahanMan 473]

Ok now that I can actually see the video I don't understand the "intent rule". Who cares if his intent was to blow his whistle if the puck was already in the net. Anyone care to clarify?

Unfortunately theres nothing to clarify. It simply doesn't make sense. It WAS a goal.

NHL Live hasn't even mentioned the game, yet they've mentioned all the other games at least twice already. Strange, no?

[LidsFan 68]

Toronto needs to be given the power to over rule a Ref, when it is obviously a good goal. The Ref should not be able to say , that he was going to blow his whistle. If he cannot blow his whistle before a goal crosses the line it should count. I don't understand why the NHL allows this sort of thing to continue to happen.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

"Instant replay only exists to highlight how incompetent our refs are."

The funny thing is, I don't see what any ref has got to embarrassed about by missing a goal like that. The puck didn't zip into the back of the net, it had looked like it was frozen. The game and the puck move quickly and there's lots of stuff in the way; that's the reason we've got replay to help us out. How it is that that failed us in this situation, I can't fathom.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

The funny thing is, I don't see what any ref has got to embarrassed about by missing a goal like that. The puck didn't zip into the back of the net, it had looked like it was frozen. The game and the puck move quickly and there's lots of stuff in the way; that's the reason we've got replay to help us out. How it is that that failed us in this situation, I can't fathom.

Had this crap rule been applied in 2002, Yzerman's goal in Game 5 against the Avs wouldn't have counted, when he snuck it past Patrick's pad and he cleverly tried to hide it in the net. Replays clearly showed the puck went in, and it counted. Tonight was almost a carbon copy of that play, but it didn't count.

[WpgMikos 17]

Posted this on another thread but pertient:

32.2 Disputes - The Referees shall have general supervision of the game and shall have full control of all game officials and players during the game, including stoppages; and in case of any dispute, their decision shall be final.

As there is a human factor involved in blowing the whistle to stop play, the Referee may deem the play to be stopped slightly prior to the whistle actually being blown. The fact that the puck may come loose or cross the goal line prior to the sound of the whistle has no bearing if the Referee has ruled that the play had been stopped prior to this happening.

Stupid rule that needs to be amended.

Rule 39 - Video Goal Judge

39.1 General Duties – The following are the general duties of the Video Goal Judge:

(i) He will review replays of disputed goals when requested to do so by the Referees.

(ii) He will review replays of disputed goals when he observes an incident that was undetected by on-ice officials.

(iii) After viewing the incident he will promptly convey his decision directly to the Referee at the penalty bench. When a play has been referred to the Video Goal Judge, his decision shall be final.

(iv) During the review he may consult with a member of the League’s Hockey Operations or Officiating department staff if latter is in attendance at the game (or via telephone).

(v) No goal may be awarded (or disallowed) as a result of video review once the puck has been dropped and play has resumed following the first stoppage of play after the potential goal.

While I realize the ref didn't ask for the review it makes no sense not to overturn his error.

39.3 Reports - Following every game, the Video Goal Judge must call the National Hockey League Toronto office and provide a verbal report of all video reviews conducted during the game.

Video Goal Judge reports are to be faxed or sent electronically to the National Hockey League Toronto office immediately following the game.

I've intercepted the Fax to the NHL and it reads as follows:

He blew the call. Simple as that.

[Statts 4]

As George Costanza said, "All I want is my money back, an apology and for that man to be fired!!"

[egroen 384]

The funny thing is, I don't see what any ref has got to embarrassed about by missing a goal like that. The puck didn't zip into the back of the net, it had looked like it was frozen. The game and the puck move quickly and there's lots of stuff in the way; that's the reason we've got replay to help us out. How it is that that failed us in this situation, I can't fathom.

I agree... but we are in this situation because the ref was able to disregard the war room.

Maybe not incompetent... but pure eviiiil.

[russianswede919293 95]

Today illustrated to me for the millionth time why there should still be a goal judge behind the net.

[Jedi 1,865]

Today illustrated to me for the millionth time why there should still be a goal judge behind the net.

Agreed. Though the ref could still call "intent" and nullify the whole play.

[commadore183 103]

Agreed. Though the ref could still call "intent" and nullify the whole play.

Kind of hard to call "intent" when you blow the whistle 2 seconds after you lose it

[egroen 384]

Agreed. Though the ref could still call "intent" and nullify the whole play.

So when the ref was told the puck went in on the shot, and the play he called dead was actually with the puck in the net... he either was too proud, embarrassed or crooked to acknowledge the goal.

The weird thing is he completely could have saved face simply by indicating he called the play dead at the time when he lost sight of the puck, which turned out was actually in the net... goal. Completely understandable, as only really May (and Auld) was aware that was in the goal right away.

[brett 1,029]

even if he did intend to blow the whistle quicker he still wouldve blown it when the puck was already in the net. its not like it was half covered and trickling into the net. it went right in.

bertuzzi needs to step his game up and produce god damn

i think abs looked good tonigh

oh well shake it off get ready for next game

Edited November 19, 2009 by brett

[Vladifan 680]

The biggest problem with this league is that the referees are not accountable for their actions.

I haven't even had a chance to watch the game yet, but this indeed is the sad, sickening fact. They are simply not punished, fined or demoted for their stupidity, their laziness, their lack of training and sometimes, probably their vindictiveness. The only negative response that I know of that they get is that they don't get to ref the playoffs and finals. BFD.

It is criminal. Period.

And if it was as bad as most of you indicate, I wish to hell the Wings had just stopped playing. Let them get fined. Point is, their ineptitude at last will be in the news and espn, etc. would ride it till it's done to death.

Edited November 19, 2009 by Vladifan

[Duck Guy 86]

even if he did intend to blow the whistle quicker he still wouldve blown it when the puck was already in the net. its not like it was half covered and trickling into the net. it went right in.

bertuzzi needs to step his game up and produce god damn

i think abs looked good tonigh

oh well shake it off get ready for next game

bertuzzi and produce in the same sentence?

[brett 1,029]

this shouldve been babs after that no goal haha

[Vladifan 680]

He can't deal with life without the attention garnered here.

He'd rather pontificate with his head in the sand about this stupid ******* league.

Don't visit much here yerself, eh bubba? He is a she. Meanwhile, I personally would love to believe the conspiracy bulls*** because it would make things sooo much easier to deal with.

What we have here is sheer unadulterated ineptitude and idiocy by the refs. Jeezuss, it's bad enough trying to deal with that fact BECAUSE NOBODY IN THE NHL HIERARCHY SEEMS TO GIVE A s*** ABOUT IT.

And THAT, kids is the scariest part of all.

Edited November 19, 2009 by Vladifan

[brett 1,029]

bertuzzi and produce in the same sentence?

lol well yeah cmonn he wasnt brought to this team for his defensive play.

hes playing with datsyuk he should have more points then he has. if he was brought here for grit, i havent been seeing that either.

[Vladifan 680]

I have a feeling that once Babbles sees the replay, complete with sound, well, let's say he'll be the first person on Pluto. I'm sure some of the members are passing Mars as we speak.

******* officials. Wings weren't playing that well to begin with, but to add on the seventh level of incompetence on the ice with the officials, it's turned into, as Mickey said, a "circus". If I was the headman of the NHL, I would have voided this game and have them play again at a later date, or at least tell those "refs" to count that goal right there.

Disgusting how this is going.

Thanks. This is the first laugh I've had since I began reading this thread.

[Vladifan 680]

LOL Mickey York just put out an APB on the refs on the post game show, like he was a police dispatcher.

Did he reallY? OH, I hope so, and I hope I get to see a replay of it.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Worst reffed game this season, but the wings won a huge THREE games, they were due for a loss.

[Bad Vlad Forever 1]

that was a god awful call.

that said, the wings played flat, sloppy, uninspired hockey through most of the game tonight. they didn't deserve to win tonight, even with that long rest. oh well, onto the next game