Guest VAL FILPPULA Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Watching the game tonight must have been the breaking point for me on Bertuzzi. I mean where do I even begin with him. Everytime he gains the zone there is a turnover within 5 seconds, he takes shots from horrible angles, and it doesn't even look like he plays with emotion. just my 2 cents.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lnvincible Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Watching the game tonight must have been the breaking point for me on Bertuzzi. I mean where do I even begin with him. Everytime he gains the zone there is a turnover within 5 seconds, he takes shots from horrible angles, and it doesn't even look like he plays with emotion. just my 2 cents.. your thread makes no difference from any of the other threads...just so you know. there is already a million bertuzzi threads from day 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revnic 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 I'm starting to have similar feelings. He had a HORRIBLE game tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Bert was noticably bad tonight, but I'm not ready to give up on him quite yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) Yep the guy who has the 3rd most hits on the team and 2nd most shots is playing with no emotion. How about you interview him, and take him out for a date before you judge whether or not his is playing with emotion. What a ridiculous allegation to say a player isn't playing with emotion. Would have no basis for this assumption, and you would be lucky if Bertuzzi even acknowledged you in an everyday situation. He isn't playing well, but he is NOT the reason we are losing. Why must people try to blame something. Blame Raflaski for the direct turnover if you have to blame anything. Or Osgood on the weak OT goal. Or helm for missing 2 BREAKAWAYS. Or Lidstrom for only having 7 points. There are many issues that are contributing to our losses. Having someone take bad shoots, and iffy decision making should be the least of your worries. Edited November 21, 2009 by Carman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest VAL FILPPULA Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Yep the guy who has the 3rd most hits on the team and 2nd most shots is playing with no emotion. How about you interview him, and take him out for a date before you judge whether or not his is playing with emotion. What a ridiculous allegation to say a player isn't playing with emotion. Would have no basis for this assumption, and you would be lucky if Bertuzzi even acknowledged you in an everyday situation. He isn't playing well, but he is NOT the reason we are losing. Why must people try to blame something. Blame Raflaski for the direct turnover if you have to blame anything. Or Osgood on the weak OT goal. Or helm for missing 2 BREAKAWAYS. Or Lidstrom for only having 7 points. There are many issues that are contributing to our losses. Having someone take bad shoots, and iffy decision making should be the least of your worries. Wow obviously I struck a nerve. What are you Bertuzzi's attorney? I made a post about things I have noticed from him this season. I did not mention once anything about losing, nor did I place blame on Bertuzzi for losing. Before you have another mental breakdown and let your emotions get the best of you why don't you actually read what I write. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Wow obviously I struck a nerve. What are you Bertuzzi's attorney? I made a post about things I have noticed from him this season. I did not mention once anything about losing, nor did I place blame on Bertuzzi for losing. Before you have another mental breakdown and let your emotions get the best of you why don't you actually read what I write. Than what is this thread about? You obviously dont like him, thats a given. What are you trying to accomplish? If you want to complain because you are mad and have your panties in a bunch go to the GDT. And on the topic of who struck whos nerve... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheWestWing 71 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Oh I thought you meant Rafi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Wow obviously I struck a nerve. What are you Bertuzzi's attorney? I made a post about things I have noticed from him this season. I did not mention once anything about losing, nor did I place blame on Bertuzzi for losing. Before you have another mental breakdown and let your emotions get the best of you why don't you actually read what I write. Nah, I don't illicit much emotion while on the internet sorry. You seem to have a keen insight on whether or not people show emotion or not. I read your post thoroughly. Watching the game tonight must have been the breaking point for me on Bertuzzi. I mean where do I even begin with him. Everytime he gains the zone there is a turnover within 5 seconds, he takes shots from horrible angles, and it doesn't even look like he plays with emotion. just my 2 cents.. It was your "breaking point", that's a pretty significant thing to say about someone. You cite 3 different subjective negative situations involving Bertuzzi completely disregarding a few of the positive things he has done. For a 1.5 million salary 9 points in 20 games is fine. Especially when he is hitting and playing physical which has has done the past few games. Your post was completely void of any sensible points or information. Now if you want I'll supply you with something that can be used against Bertuzzi. He is -5 and the active player with the worst +/-. That's not good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Nah, I don't illicit much emotion while on the internet sorry. You seem to have a keen insight on whether or not people show emotion or not. I read your post thoroughly. It was your "breaking point", that's a pretty significant thing to say about someone. You cite 3 different subjective negative situations involving Bertuzzi completely disregarding a few of the positive things he has done. For a 1.5 million salary 9 points in 20 games is fine. Especially when he is hitting and playing physical which has has done the past few games. Your post was completely void of any sensible points or information. Now if you want I'll supply you with something that can be used against Bertuzzi. He is -5 and the active player with the worst +/-. That's not good. Agreed. This proves his role on his team should be on the fourth line with the other grinders. He has no business on the top line. He is being physical but cannot produce like a first line player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Agreed. This proves his role on his team should be on the fourth line with the other grinders. He has no business on the top line. He is being physical but cannot produce like a first line player. Well, when you start coaching the Red Wing's you can make that decision. I'll side with Babcock knowing what's best for his team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Yep the guy who has the 3rd most hits on the team and 2nd most shots is playing with no emotion. How about you interview him, and take him out for a date before you judge whether or not his is playing with emotion. What a ridiculous allegation to say a player isn't playing with emotion. Would have no basis for this assumption, and you would be lucky if Bertuzzi even acknowledged you in an everyday situation. He isn't playing well, but he is NOT the reason we are losing. Why must people try to blame something. Blame Raflaski for the direct turnover if you have to blame anything. Or Osgood on the weak OT goal. Or helm for missing 2 BREAKAWAYS. Or Lidstrom for only having 7 points. There are many issues that are contributing to our losses. Having someone take bad shoots, and iffy decision making should be the least of your worries. I actually agree with Carman on this one. Finger wagging is so 90s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Nah, I don't illicit much emotion while on the internet sorry. You seem to have a keen insight on whether or not people show emotion or not. I read your post thoroughly. It was your "breaking point", that's a pretty significant thing to say about someone. You cite 3 different subjective negative situations involving Bertuzzi completely disregarding a few of the positive things he has done. For a 1.5 million salary 9 points in 20 games is fine. Especially when he is hitting and playing physical which has has done the past few games. Your post was completely void of any sensible points or information. Now if you want I'll supply you with something that can be used against Bertuzzi. He is -5 and the active player with the worst +/-. That's not good. Wait.... his plus/minus is worse than Lebda's? Ouch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Wait.... his plus/minus is worse than Lebda's? Ouch. That is a big ouch! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adubs 8 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 I haven't watched him this year but if I had to guess: -blind passes into the slot that cause turnovers -will not play physical -floats around, will not skate -tries to make fancy plays which lead to turnovers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 I haven't watched him this year but if I had to guess: -blind passes into the slot that cause turnovers -will not play physical -floats around, will not skate -tries to make fancy plays which lead to turnovers The first and fourth are correct. While he hasn't been a steamroller, he hasn't been afraid to use his body, and he hasn't floated around that much either. I mentioned this in another thread, but my biggest issue with him is he seems to be isolated from his teammates, and what I mean by that is that he seems to prefer taking a low-probably shot from a bad angle or into way too much traffic, or he tries to make his way around defenders without the help of teammates rather than pass around effectively and generate scoring chances as a unit of 5. And as you and others have stated, when he does pass around, they're often high-risk passes that lead to interceptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted November 21, 2009 The first and fourth are correct. While he hasn't been a steamroller, he hasn't been afraid to use his body, and he hasn't floated around that much either. I mentioned this in another thread, but my biggest issue with him is he seems to be isolated from his teammates, and what I mean by that is that he seems to prefer taking a low-probably shot from a bad angle or into way too much traffic, or he tries to make his way around defenders without the help of teammates rather than pass around effectively and generate scoring chances as a unit of 5. And as you and others have stated, when he does pass around, they're often high-risk passes that lead to interceptions. This is new with this game, so maybe he was shook up or is playing through something. However, on several occasions tonight he avoided rough play. He didn't seem to me to be grinding it out tonight or being physical beyond basic necessary checking. He was also visibly pissed off at himself (imo) at one point in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Nah, I don't illicit much emotion while on the internet sorry. You seem to have a keen insight on whether or not people show emotion or not. I read your post thoroughly. It was your "breaking point", that's a pretty significant thing to say about someone. You cite 3 different subjective negative situations involving Bertuzzi completely disregarding a few of the positive things he has done. For a 1.5 million salary 9 points in 20 games is fine. Especially when he is hitting and playing physical which has has done the past few games. Your post was completely void of any sensible points or information. Now if you want I'll supply you with something that can be used against Bertuzzi. He is -5 and the active player with the worst +/-. That's not good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 I haven't watched him this year but if I had to guess: -blind passes into the slot that cause turnovers -will not play physical -floats around, will not skate -tries to make fancy plays which lead to turnovers Calgary fan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Never liked him from day 1 so I'm more than happy to add fuel to any crap on Bertuzzi thread and get rid of his arse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Gotta bash someone when the team loses. May as well be the cliche target. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Gotta bash someone when the team loses. May as well be the cliche target. Well I still blame Willy. Even if he is injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Yay! The obligatory "let's find someone to blame and talk about making the applicable roster changes" thread after a loss! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Yay! The obligatory "let's find someone to blame and talk about making the applicable roster changes" thread after a loss! God knows I wanted to blame Shoreline for the loss, but now it's your turn to shoulder the load. However, if we win tomorrow I'm fully prepared to accept that burden for you. You're welcome! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut40 176 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Bertuzzi is lazy and he sucks? You guys do this every season. Last year was Sammy, before that was Lang. Now you guys can't seem to decide if this year it's Bert or Lebda. Do you always need a scapegoat ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
