WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 No one is saying Datsyuk didn't help. But he wasn't as good as Zetterberg or Lidstrom. He doesn't raise his game to the levels of Zetterberg when they matter. At least not yet. 2007 - Ducks vs Wings, game six. Wings facing elimination.. Final three minutes, Datsyuk scores two goals to bring the Wings without one of tying and extending the series. Clutch not found. 2008 - Datsyuk finishes over a PPG in the playoffs but Zetterberg has four more points, epic choke. Never raised his game? Sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 2007 - Ducks vs Wings, game six. Wings facing elimination.. Final three minutes, Datsyuk scores two goals to bring the Wings without one of tying and extending the series. Clutch not found. 2008 - Datsyuk finishes over a PPG in the playoffs but Zetterberg has four more points, epic choke. Never raised his game? Sure No one is saying he isn't great. Just not as great as Zetterberg. Face it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 No one is saying he isn't great. Just not as great as Zetterberg. Face it. What is Zetterberg great? Playing better over 24 games instead of 106? Based on sample size, Datsyuk is the superior player. Zetterberg "saves it" so he doesn't get injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Lets discuss just how overrated and over paid Nicklas Lidstrom is. Yep, you're right; a player that just came off a season winning his sixth Norris doesn't deserve to renew his contract for two years at $7.45m a year. What were the Wings thinking, signing the best defenseman in the league to a two year deal?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Yep, you're right; a player that just came off a season winning his sixth Norris doesn't deserve to renew his contract for two years at $7.45m a year. What were the Wings thinking, signing the best defenseman in the league to a two year deal?! Should have signed him for six. Best player in the history of the game. Kovalchuk? Ha, lets sign Lidstrom till hes 53. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 I am seriously really confused. You can call Holmstrom and Bertuzzi pylons and say that Z is having a bad year but people can't say anything negative about Datsyuk? I just really don't get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 I am seriously really confused. You can call Holmstrom and Bertuzzi pylons and say that Z is having a bad year but people can't say anything negative about Datsyuk? I just really don't get it. People can say whatever they want but don't use one excuse for Zetterberg underperforming and discredit the same excuse in regards to Datsyuk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 What is Zetterberg great? Playing better over 24 games instead of 106? Based on sample size, Datsyuk is the superior player. Zetterberg "saves it" so he doesn't get injured. Now you are just pulling crap out of your ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Now you are just pulling crap out of your ass. How so? You're saying that Zetterberg is a better player in the playoffs because he "Turns it on". Yet Datsyuk is the superior player over the entire regular season and is very good in the playoffs when not injured. You're saying that an 82 game season means nothing in comparison to 24 games in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuck in socal 56 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 How so? You're saying that Zetterberg is a better player in the playoffs because he "Turns it on". Yet Datsyuk is the superior player over the entire regular season and is very good in the playoffs when not injured. You're saying that an 82 game season means nothing in comparison to 24 games in the playoffs. Well those 24 games decide the season. ;p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Well those 24 games decide the season. ;p Well those 82 games decide if you even get a chance to win the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Morrison 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Well those 82 games decide if you even get a chance to win the season. Don't worry, Franzén will be back in time for playoffs and then Datysuk will start to produce again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 This is "shocking news"? Shocking news would be something about him being involved in a prostitution ring or a South American drug cartel or even the Russian mob. You need to refine your definition of both "shocking" and "news". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) How so? You're saying that Zetterberg is a better player in the playoffs because he "Turns it on". Yet Datsyuk is the superior player over the entire regular season and is very good in the playoffs when not injured. You're saying that an 82 game season means nothing in comparison to 24 games in the playoffs. The truly elite players always find a second gear in the playoffs. Isn't that the whole point of playoff hockey? Zetterberg is the Red Wings best forward every playoff run. The importance of playing at a higher level during the playoffs is rather obvious, despite you somewhat having trouble grasping that point. Zetterberg works very hard the entire regular season and elevates his game at the most important time. To answer your question, I do find this more worthwhile than regular season achievements. Edited November 30, 2009 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 This is "shocking news"? Shocking news would be something about him being involved in a prostitution ring or a South American drug cartel or even the Russian mob. You need to refine your definition of both "shocking" and "news". Search Hulder, Jiri if you'd like those stories. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 This is "shocking news"? Shocking news would be something about him being involved in a prostitution ring or a South American drug cartel or even the Russian mob. You need to refine your definition of both "shocking" and "news". Actually, odds are if he still has family in Russia, he is involved in the Russian mob. Just sayin'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuck in socal 56 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 When I saw shocking I was scared to death. Don't scare us to death like that. And, nice new seasonal avatar @ Electophile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 The truly elite players always find a second gear in the playoffs. Isn't that the whole point of playoff hockey? Zetterberg is the Red Wings best forward every playoff run. The importance of playing at a higher level during the playoffs is rather obvious, despite you somewhat having trouble grasping that point. Zetterberg works very hard the entire regular season and elevates his game at the most important time. To answer your question, I do find this more worthwhile than regular season achievements. How does a 100 point, Selke winner and MVP finalist raise his game any more for the playoffs? If anything, Zetterberg leaves something to be desired during the regular season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Don't worry, Franzén will be back in time for playoffs and then Datysuk will start to produce again. Well, if I follow the logic correctly, Franzen's play will be a result of Datsyuk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Search Hulder, Jiri if you'd like those stories. What does that have to do with this? You called a thread "shocking news about Datsyuk" and then posted neither shocking nor news. I read through all 6 pages of this and have no farkin' clue what the hell this is supposed to be about. Who are we bashing? Who aren't we bashing enough? Why am I asking these questions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 How does a 100 point, Selke winner and MVP finalist raise his game any more for the playoffs? If anything, Zetterberg leaves something to be desired during the regular season. A goal or two in the Finals would have been a nice starting point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuck in socal 56 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Datsyuk will pick up his producing no one worry. You can only shut down elite players for so long. I am more worried about the Red Wings Defense, but I'll save that for the Lebda bashoramics thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Morrison 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) How does a 100 point, Selke winner and MVP finalist raise his game any more for the playoffs? If anything, Zetterberg leaves something to be desired during the regular season. By leading the team in scoring, playing against every team's top line and winning the Conn Smythe? Edited November 30, 2009 by Jim Morrison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 When I saw shocking I was scared to death. Don't scare us to death like that. And, nice new seasonal avatar @ Electophile. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingzFan 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2009 Well, if I follow the logic correctly, Franzen's play will be a result of Datsyuk. Apparently you haven't been a Red Wings fan long. Everyones play is a result of Yzerman being in the building and Lidstrom's leadership and Zetterberg's extra gear. Datsyuk is a lazy Russian, only in it for the money and is Charmin soft in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
