Should Valtteri Filppula be traded?

[stevkrause 1,247]

I'd trade Filppula for someone like:

Bobby Ryan

Steven Stamkos

Victor Hedman

etc

guys who'd be too good of a deal to pass up.

But would I trade him for a player of comparable value? No. He fits perfectly in the Wings' system. He does every thing well and can play any roll you ask him to other than as a fighter.

It'd be retarded to trade Filppula for anything other than a home-run type of guy. And we all know that won't happen.

agreed, I love Flip and think he hasn't even close to peaked - but I would be tempted by David Booth... provided he learns to keep his head up...

all and all, unless it was a no-brainer who was too good to pass, I want him to remain a Wing.

[Carman 387]

It would have to be a really good deal for a young scoring forward.

I like Flippula a lot, but he is really one of the only pieces that could be moved realistically, and this team could certainly use a little wake up call if the right deal comes up.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Gcom also made a point....we kept Filppula at $3M so that we could *hope* he reached his potential.....rather than keeping Hossa, who has hit that potential, at $5M.

I am not saying that I am a huge Hossa fan......but think of it....why keep a $3M 3rd liner when you had a happy top liner willing to stick around?

Hossa sucked in the playoffs, but man, it sure was nice getting to them, no? And considering he played with a massive shoulder injury.....yikes. Wings made a mistake.

You do realize that Cleary has actually proven to be only a 40 point player and makes just 0.2 million less than filppula right? (Versus the 60 point at least capable Filppula)

Or is my prediction corrent and you just don't like filppula for some reason and you stick to your silly overpaid thing to justify it. (You know, just think of Republicans and Fox News)

AND YES WOW HOSSA IS A BETTER PLAYER THAN FILPPULA GUYS WOW COOL REVELATION

Edited February 13, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[Jesusberg 1,256]

If moving Flip meant bringing in a 30+ goal scorer I'd be all for it. It's not even because he's not a bad player, but because the team already has tons of passive players. The Wings need someone who's going to shoot the puck and bury it.

I think that maybe if the Wings are willing to wait it out a bit, guys like Tatar and Mursak could be those snipers. In 2-4 years I'd be all for seeing a line of Tatar-Filppula-Mursak. That's a decent amount of skill, and if they mature properly could end up being a very solid offensive line.

Top two lines of:

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen

Tatar-Filppula-Mursak

I like it.

[titanium2 867]

Hmm, so four people have voted "whatever we can get for him."

Why?

[GoWings1905 2,694]

If the right deal for a natural goal scorer came along, then absolutely. Fil is a nice player, but the Red Wings have a major need for a sniper that can find the back of the net consistently (ala Hossa).

Realistically, Fil would have to be the centerpiece of any potential deal because he is really the only forward the Red Wings have that would fetch a solid return since Z, Datsyuk and Franzen are untouchable.

I like Filppula, but he's redundant on this Red Wings team. Datsyuk and Zetterberg should and will be split up according to Babcock. We have plenty of strong two-way players particularly up the middle. Considering his linemates on the third line would no longer include Hudler and Samuelsson, how effective offensively would Fil even be playing with say Miller and Williams with everyone healthy?

It's not about what Filppula doesn't bring. It's more about what the Red Wings need. You have to give up something to get value and it's quite obvious the Detroit Red Wings need another goal scorer badly.

[titanium2 867]

It's not about what Filppula doesn't bring. It's more about what the Red Wings need. You have to give up something to get value and it's quite obvious the Detroit Red Wings need another goal scorer badly.

I agree on all counts, but apparently 4 people who voted would give him away for a bunch of scrubs. They simply just want to get rid of him. It doesn't make any sense.

[TheDetroitRedWings 286]

Well it looks like the verdict is in. If we can get a goal scorer Filppula becomes expendable. I must say I agree.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Only if a legitimate scoring threat comes the other way. Otherwise, no.

[RedWingAbner 13]

You do realize that Cleary has actually proven to be only a 40 point player and makes just 0.2 million less than filppula right? (Versus the 60 point at least capable Filppula)

Or is my prediction corrent and you just don't like filppula for some reason and you stick to your silly overpaid thing to justify it. (You know, just think of Republicans and Fox News)

AND YES WOW HOSSA IS A BETTER PLAYER THAN FILPPULA GUYS WOW COOL REVELATION

I haven't mentioned him being overpaid in this thread. Cleary, at $2.8, is a great deal-- he gets to the front of the net, scraps, and can (and has) scored 20 goals before.

Jesus man, you cannot keep saying that Player X has done this, but player Y is CAPABLEof this....it doesn't work. It's like saying that Al Montoya had potential, so thus he was a better goalie than....Craig Anderson. Yeah, potential is nice, but let's see him do something. Filppula hasn't done jack s*** and people try to give every reason possible as to why he's awesome. I've said over and over and over that I don't personally dislike Filppula, but you hardcore jagoffs are making me hate the guy. It's like....Sarah Palin could be tolerable as a governor of Alaska, but morons keep jamming idiocy down our throats and propping her up as something she's not.

Just give it up! Filppula is what he is. He's a 3rd liner. Good guy, but not someone who is untouchable simply because you, or Finnish Wing, or anybody else thinks he has the potential to put up 60 points. He hasn't. And don't try to argue that I mean that any young player is immediately at their top level--ie, Taylor Hall or the like-- just because I say this. Filppula has 3 full seasons to go on. Yeah, he had alot of assists in the playoffs. You know who else did? Keith ******* Primeau, and we shipped his 3RD LINE CENTER ASS OUT OF TOWN TO GET A SCORING WINGER.

Uggh. Sorry to go caps. It's just hard because it's every point that you (and others) try to twist to get the conversation going on why he has the potential to get 60 points and thus people who don't see it are wrong. It makes me want to see him dealt even more just so people can shut up about his damn potential. How's Anders Eriksson doing polishing his Norris Trophies? Ah, potential.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

I haven't mentioned him being overpaid in this thread. Cleary, at $2.8, is a great deal-- he gets to the front of the net, scraps, and can (and has) scored 20 goals before.

Jesus man, you cannot keep saying that Player X has done this, but player Y is CAPABLEof this....it doesn't work. It's like saying that Al Montoya had potential, so thus he was a better goalie than....Craig Anderson. Yeah, potential is nice, but let's see him do something. Filppula hasn't done jack s*** and people try to give every reason possible as to why he's awesome. I've said over and over and over that I don't personally dislike Filppula, but you hardcore jagoffs are making me hate the guy. It's like....Sarah Palin could be tolerable as a governor of Alaska, but morons keep jamming idiocy down our throats and propping her up as something she's not.

Just give it up! Filppula is what he is. He's a 3rd liner. Good guy, but not someone who is untouchable simply because you, or Finnish Wing, or anybody else thinks he has the potential to put up 60 points. He hasn't. And don't try to argue that I mean that any young player is immediately at their top level--ie, Taylor Hall or the like-- just because I say this. Filppula has 3 full seasons to go on. Yeah, he had alot of assists in the playoffs. You know who else did? Keith ******* Primeau, and we shipped his 3RD LINE CENTER ASS OUT OF TOWN TO GET A SCORING WINGER.

Uggh. Sorry to go caps. It's just hard because it's every point that you (and others) try to twist to get the conversation going on why he has the potential to get 60 points and thus people who don't see it are wrong. It makes me want to see him dealt even more just so people can shut up about his damn potential. How's Anders Eriksson doing polishing his Norris Trophies? Ah, potential.

Not to mention also partly because Scotty hated him. As far as we know, the Red Wings coaching staff has no problem with Fil.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Not to mention also partly because Scotty hated him. As far as we know, the Red Wings coaching staff has no problem with Fil.

Agreed, but players coaches like get traded, too.

[superstarsingh 23]

Him for Olesz is a backwards move in my opinion. Olesz is not a natural goal scorer. Flip still has a lot of upside and I am with stevekrause on this one, if he was traded, it would likely be a trade that the Red Wings regretted later on. But I agree with this general idea that if a natural scoring threat came in return, go for it.

Edited February 13, 2010 by superstarsingh

[Z and D for the C 712]

I haven't mentioned him being overpaid in this thread. Cleary, at $2.8, is a great deal-- he gets to the front of the net, scraps, and can (and has) scored 20 goals before.

Jesus man, you cannot keep saying that Player X has done this, but player Y is CAPABLEof this....it doesn't work. It's like saying that Al Montoya had potential, so thus he was a better goalie than....Craig Anderson. Yeah, potential is nice, but let's see him do something. Filppula hasn't done jack s*** and people try to give every reason possible as to why he's awesome. I've said over and over and over that I don't personally dislike Filppula, but you hardcore jagoffs are making me hate the guy. It's like....Sarah Palin could be tolerable as a governor of Alaska, but morons keep jamming idiocy down our throats and propping her up as something she's not.

Just give it up! Filppula is what he is. He's a 3rd liner. Good guy, but not someone who is untouchable simply because you, or Finnish Wing, or anybody else thinks he has the potential to put up 60 points. He hasn't. And don't try to argue that I mean that any young player is immediately at their top level--ie, Taylor Hall or the like-- just because I say this. Filppula has 3 full seasons to go on. Yeah, he had alot of assists in the playoffs. You know who else did? Keith ******* Primeau, and we shipped his 3RD LINE CENTER ASS OUT OF TOWN TO GET A SCORING WINGER.

Uggh. Sorry to go caps. It's just hard because it's every point that you (and others) try to twist to get the conversation going on why he has the potential to get 60 points and thus people who don't see it are wrong. It makes me want to see him dealt even more just so people can shut up about his damn potential. How's Anders Eriksson doing polishing his Norris Trophies? Ah, potential.

Yet you've been saying "Player X could do this, so could player Y, but player Y didn't do this so neither will player X". I would say you "can't" do that either but you've done it about 20 times. The fact there is more than enough evidence that Filppula can and will put up 60 points in his career, you just won't acknowledge this because you don't like him. If Filppula played the rest of the season on the second line he'd put up 40 points with missing 1/3 of the season, and I'd bet you still wouldn't give him credit for it.

Filppula is twice the player cleary is right now, and makes only .2m more. But Filppula is overpaid and Cleary is a great deal. Even conceding that Filppula and Cleary are equal, you're a fool. You obviously don't like Filppula. Sarah Palin can say that Rush Limbaugh was being satirical a thousand times, but it doesn't make it true.

And you can say that we twist statements and bulls*** and don't respond to any points with a "hard point" of our own, but how many direct responses to what I've said will you make? Zero. You'll just give another canned "No, I don't dislike Filppula. He's over paid. He's a third liner and won't ever top 40 points. Look at some other name I can pull out of my ass that proves nothing" response.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[Z and D for the C 712]

Agreed, but players coaches like get traded, too.

Yeah, what does Scotty Bowman know? He was over paid.

[Z and D for the C 712]

I agree on all counts, but apparently 4 people who voted would give him away for a bunch of scrubs. They simply just want to get rid of him. It doesn't make any sense.

This guy I just replied to, wings7, lilja4mvp. I can't think of anyone else.

Edit: It was probably GMR just to piss me off.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[Guest DatsyukianDeke13]

I feel like everybody is only thinking short term. What should we do? Trade Filppula, prospects, and draft picks for a rental sniper? That would be stupid, which is why Holland hasn't made a move. We have goal scorers. 07-08 scored 43 goals. I'm not sure if he can score 40 again, but it would be fair to say he can average 30 in a normal season (meaning not one like this). Then you look at Franzen, who can average atleast 35 goals and will most likely put up over 40. Then Datsyuk who can put up 30, then the role players like Bert, Cleary, Homer would be good for 15-20+ in a given season. This is by no means an average season. We should not make any drastic moves just because we are on the outside looking in when it comes to the playoffs. Think bigger picture. What will give this team the best chance to win over time. Not just one season. We are not Chicago.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Yeah, what does Scotty Bowman know? He was over paid.

You are such a goddamn moron. I wasn't suggesting anything other than players whom coaches like do get traded.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Yet you've been saying "Player X could do this, so could player Y, but player Y didn't do this so neither will player X". I would say you "can't" do that either but you've done it about 20 times. The fact there is more than enough evidence that Filppula can and will put up 60 points in his career, you just won't acknowledge this because you don't like him. If Filppula played the rest of the season on the second line he'd put up 40 points with missing 1/3 of the season, and I'd bet you still wouldn't give him credit for it.

Filppula is twice the player cleary is right now, and makes only .2m more. But Filppula is overpaid and Cleary is a great deal. Even conceding that Filppula and Cleary are equal, you're a fool. You obviously don't like Filppula. Sarah Palin can say that Rush Limbaugh was being satirical a thousand times, but it doesn't make it true.

And you can say that we twist statements and bulls*** and don't respond to any points with a "hard point" of our own, but how many direct responses to what I've said will you make? Zero. You'll just give another canned "No, I don't dislike Filppula. He's over paid. He's a third liner and won't ever top 40 points. Look at some other name I can pull out of my ass that proves nothing" response.

First off, your fuzzy math at the top makes absolutely no sense. I agree that point totals are a good way to project things, but they aren't a guarantee. And until Flip does it over the course of a season, I don't think he can.

You completely ignore my point--Cleary does more than dye his tips and play good d. What Sarah Palin says about Rush Limbaugh is nonsense, as is 90% of your responses to me. Any point I make is "obviously" a Filppula dig. Not true, but you want so bad for me to hate him, you make it so.

I don't pull names of of my ass like you pull stupid projections and promises out of yours. Let's just call it a truce and you can continue to love Filppula and (in your mind) I can continue to "hate" him on the basis of the fact that I could stand to see him traded.

I'll give Filppula credit......when he does something. Nice goal in the finals, good d, and way to blow a prime scoring chance in two crucial games (at Pitt, vs. SJ).

Finally, dips***, I keep bringing up the names of other players as a point of comparison. A player's potential is no guarantee of his success. Filppula, until he DOES IT, is a 4th year player who has topped out at 40 points. You can't argue that. However, my goal is to give you examples--Anders Eriksson, most recently--of players who had high potential but leveled off and never did much more. Do you think Chicago would've traded Chelios for Eriksson in 2000? 2001? Probably not, because most had soured on him and realized he was not a #1 defenseman in training--he was a #5, at best, #7, usually.

Edited February 13, 2010 by RedWingAbner

[Z and D for the C 712]

You are such a goddamn moron. I wasn't suggesting anything other than players whom coaches like do get traded.

Sincere apology, I misread your post. Dyslexia-ness is a *****.

[Guest DatsyukianDeke13]

First off, your fuzzy math at the top makes absolutely no sense. I agree that point totals are a good way to project things, but they aren't a guarantee. And until Flip does it over the course of a season, I don't think he can.

You completely ignore my point--Cleary does more than dye his tips and play good d. What Sarah Palin says about Rush Limbaugh is nonsense, as is 90% of your responses to me. Any point I make is "obviously" a Filppula dig. Not true, but you want so bad for me to hate him, you make it so.

I don't pull names of of my ass like you pull stupid projections and promises out of yours. Let's just call it a truce and you can continue to love Filppula and (in your mind) I can continue to "hate" him on the basis of the fact that I could stand to see him traded.

I'll give Filppula credit......when he does something. Nice goal in the finals, good d, and way to blow a prime scoring chance in two crucial games (at Pitt, vs. SJ).

Seriously? Why do you even post? You are an obvious Filppula hater (though you claim not to be), you bring up politics to supplement an argument, and on top of that, you provide very little logic when you post. I've read your post, though you try to give a feasible argument, you fail miserably.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Seriously? Why do you even post? You are an obvious Filppula hater (though you claim not to be), you bring up politics to supplement an argument, and on top of that, you provide very little logic when you post. I've read your post, though you try to give a feasible argument, you fail miserably.

I brought up politics? Nope, that was your buddy. I know you guys like to try to make each other feel good, but at least get your facts straight. I could care less if an inferior intellect like yours doesn't catch the point I'm making. Every so often, a grownup comes on and tries to get you idiots to realize that you aren't even making sense.

Boom, that just happened.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Sincere apology, I misread your post. Dyslexia-ness is a *****.

Apology accepted. I really wish you guys would just realize that I am not a Flip hater. It's not that I can't live with the label, but I'm just not a Flip lover. That doesn't mean you can't be, it's fine. I just think he's a decently valuable trade chip.

[Guest DatsyukianDeke13]

I brought up politics? Nope, that was your buddy. I know you guys like to try to make each other feel good, but at least get your facts straight. I could care less if an inferior intellect like yours doesn't catch the point I'm making. Every so often, a grownup comes on and tries to get you idiots to realize that you aren't even making sense.

Boom, that just happened.

That brought a smile to my face....or maybe an arrogant smirk

[RedWingAbner 13]

That brought a smile to my face....or maybe an arrogant smirk

Glad I could make you happy. In all seriousness, I was trying to lighten things up by using your trademark line there.