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Got it, but you don't get the point that he's not a huge offensive guy, what does he do in playoffs? Gets laid out to give the other team momentum and be too smalls and slow to make an impact. I would sacrifice 20 points in the regular season for a guy who will actually make an impact come playoff time. Hudler's 57 points doesn't mean s*** come playoffs.

Those 57 points would generally mean a higher seeding which can be very beneficial in the playoffs and also mean that the Wings don't have to ride their stars quite so hard (preemptive . . . that's what she said) which should lead to a better rested team come playoff time.

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Colby Armstrong has had 0+1=1 points in 5 playoff games in his career, meaning 0.20 ppg.

Jiri Hudler has had 9+19=28 points in 51 playoff games in his career, meaning 0.55 ppg.

Hudler's has also ten times more playoff experience than Armstrong. Yet, somehow Armstrong is better playoff player. Weird.

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LOL..

The BEST part of this thread is all the name calling, dick swinging bravado over nothing. LOL

Hudler is back. You're opinions, just like mine, mean nothing.

On that note, I'm willing to bet 5 bucks that the Wings do better next season than this one.

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LOL..

The BEST part of this thread is all the name calling, dick swinging bravado over nothing. LOL

Hudler is back. You're opinions, just like mine, mean nothing.

On that note, I'm willing to bet 5 bucks that the Wings do better next season than this one.

:siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:

and thats all i was trying to say before....somehow, this makes me a know-it-all. also, it makes me a "******" :zzz: . and they say creative thinking is dead...

thank you, 2guns, for reaffirming my faith in logic and reason.

:clap::clap:

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Colby Armstrong has had 0+1=1 points in 5 playoff games in his career, meaning 0.20 ppg.

Jiri Hudler has had 9+19=28 points in 51 playoff games in his career, meaning 0.55 ppg.

Hudler's has also ten times more playoff experience than Armstrong. Yet, somehow Armstrong is better playoff player. Weird.

Hudler is invisible in the playoffs. Stats aren't everything. A guy like Colby Armstrong would be much more beneficial in the playoffs then Hudler. I guarantee you our team would be better off with 2 draft picks plus Colby Armstrong then just Hudler. I'm not saying I think this will happen but to think that this wouldn't make our team better is dumb. If you get rid of Hudler you free up basically 3 million or have about 3 million to spend after other guys come off the books and with 3 million you can get either a) a better offensive guy then Hudler who can play top 6 b) a strong 2 way guy like Armstrong who can hit and fight and will be noticeable come post season.

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Hudler is invisible in the playoffs. Stats aren't everything. A guy like Colby Armstrong would be much more beneficial in the playoffs then Hudler. I guarantee you our team would be better off with 2 draft picks plus Colby Armstrong then just Hudler. I'm not saying I think this will happen but to think that this wouldn't make our team better is dumb. If you get rid of Hudler you free up basically 3 million or have about 3 million to spend after other guys come off the books and with 3 million you can get either a) a better offensive guy then Hudler who can play top 6 b) a strong 2 way guy like Armstrong who can hit and fight and will be noticeable come post season.

Dats has a .62 PPG in the playoffs

So by that logic

Armstrong>Datsyuk

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Hudler is invisible in the playoffs. Stats aren't everything. A guy like Colby Armstrong would be much more beneficial in the playoffs then Hudler. I guarantee you our team would be better off with 2 draft picks plus Colby Armstrong then just Hudler. I'm not saying I think this will happen but to think that this wouldn't make our team better is dumb. If you get rid of Hudler you free up basically 3 million or have about 3 million to spend after other guys come off the books and with 3 million you can get either a) a better offensive guy then Hudler who can play top 6 b) a strong 2 way guy like Armstrong who can hit and fight and will be noticeable come post season.

Considering Kenny Holland has made a career out of regular season and playoff success, I'll take his opinion on the matter over some nobody who thinks a low scoring forward who is "physical" can do better than Jiri Hudler.

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Considering Kenny Holland has made a career out of regular season and playoff success, I'll take his opinion on the matter over some nobody who thinks a low scoring forward who is "physical" can do better than Jiri Hudler.

Jiri_Hudler_2008.jpg

How do you know what Kenny Holland thinks? He's loyal to the people he drafts. How do you know he doesn't think he would be better off signing armstrong and trading Hudler but just doesn't do it because he's loyal? Or how do you know he won't sign Armstrong? Just cause he hasn't yet, but you never know he might. I doubt he will but too say you know what Kenny thinks is done. What Kenny thinks and what Kenny does can be two different things.

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How do you know what Kenny Holland thinks? He's loyal to the people he drafts. How do you know he doesn't think he would be better off signing armstrong and trading Hudler but just doesn't do it because he's loyal? Or how do you know he won't sign Armstrong? Just cause he hasn't yet, but you never know he might. I doubt he will but too say you know what Kenny thinks is done. What Kenny thinks and what Kenny does can be two different things.

Why would he bother dealing with the arbitration issue if he could get rid of him for draft picks? Oh that's right, because he understands that keeping players who know the system and were raised in the system is much better than bringing in some pluggers who can't even bring the same offensive game.

Kenny is going to take Hudler and neither Armstrong or Clarkson will be on the roster next season. You can book it here.

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Why would he bother dealing with the arbitration issue if he could get rid of him for draft picks? Oh that's right, because he understands that keeping players who know the system and were raised in the system is much better than bringing in some pluggers who can't even bring the same offensive game.

Kenny is going to take Hudler and neither Armstrong or Clarkson will be on the roster next season. You can book it here.

I said that I didn't think they would be. What I said is that Armstrong would be better for this team. Detroit is moving away from 3 scoring lines and a 4th line and more into a 2 scoring line grind line 4th line team.

Hudler won't fit that system, because he isn't a top 6 player.

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A pair of guys that are more rounded than Hudler.Hudler isn't gonna score 70.Get the f*** over yourself.Armstrong will score more than 30 points.

You're high if you think Armstrong can even hold a candle to Hudler offensively. I mean sure, Hudler can't touch Armstrong's Selke quality defensive play (lol) but then again Armstrong does fight, is known for dirty hits and takes selfish penalties due to a lack of discipline, so that's really what you were aiming at, right?

Because if there's one thing the play of the Wings taught us this year it's that we need more grinders and not more top 6 players. Right? :lol: I guess that's the benefit of leading the league in scoring like the Wings did this year.

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I said that I didn't think they would be. What I said is that Armstrong would be better for this team. Detroit is moving away from 3 scoring lines and a 4th line and more into a 2 scoring line grind line 4th line team.

Hudler won't fit that system, because he isn't a top 6 player.

Based on?

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I said that I didn't think they would be. What I said is that Armstrong would be better for this team. Detroit is moving away from 3 scoring lines and a 4th line and more into a 2 scoring line grind line 4th line team.

Hudler won't fit that system, because he isn't a top 6 player.

Yeah-- Jiri Hudler, the guy who was drafted by the Detroit Red Wings and played for 4 years for them, won't fit in the Wings system.

Based on?

Well they're definitely not basing that off statistics. :lol:

Hudler is invisible in the playoffs. Stats aren't everything. A guy like Colby Armstrong would be much more beneficial in the playoffs then Hudler. I guarantee you our team would be better off with 2 draft picks plus Colby Armstrong then just Hudler. I'm not saying I think this will happen but to think that this wouldn't make our team better is dumb. If you get rid of Hudler you free up basically 3 million or have about 3 million to spend after other guys come off the books and with 3 million you can get either a) a better offensive guy then Hudler who can play top 6 b) a strong 2 way guy like Armstrong who can hit and fight and will be noticeable come post season.

I'm assuming you didn't watch the playoffs in 2008 because that's a retarded statement if you did.

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Drake are you really expecting them to back up anything they are saying with anything that remotely resembles logic.

These are the guys saying a player who has never played in the Wings system is better suited than a guy that was already in the Wings system. And they are basing that off of the fact that said player scored fewer points while playing with superior talent than Hudler did.

See where I am going here, your logic is not working on them young Jedi!

Edit:

Oh oh oh, I forgot the main reason why he fits is he is NA and will fight, can't forget that, even though the Red Wings just had their worst season in about 19 years and showed a serious lack of scoring depth, what they really need is a guy willing to throw down!

Edited by Opie

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Drake are you really expecting them to back up anything they are saying with anything that remotely resembles logic.

These are the guys saying a player who has never played in the Wings system is better suited than a guy that was already in the Wings system. And they are basing that off of the fact that said player scored fewer points while playing with superior talent than Hudler did.

See where I am going here, your logic is not working on them young Jedi!

I find it entertaining to continually challenge them with facts, reasoning and logic, though. The more they ignore this the more foolish they look.

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I have no idea who this Armstrong guy is, but scoring near;y 60 points in pretty limited time in a season is quite impressive. And a post I read that Hudler is invisible in the playoffs is absurd. He's not the greatest thing since sliced bread but if he "disappears" in the playoffs, so do a lot of other NHLers in the postseason not named Zetterberg, Crosby, etc. Not wanting him on the team is one thing but don't sound like he is this awful player.

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It's going to be even more fun watching you squirm next season when Hudler disappears in the playoffs (again)

Didn't seem to disappear in the playoffs in 2008 when it counted most. Remember SCF game 4 perhaps? Had a respectable 2009 playoffs. Just two full playoff seasons so far and he's been solid.

Again, not saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but if he underperforms, so do a majority of the NHLers with postseason experience. You are getting a wee bit ridiculous in undervaluing him.

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Didn't seem to disappear in the playoffs in 2008 when it counted most. Remember SCF game 4 perhaps? Had a respectable 2009 playoffs. Just two full playoff seasons so far and he's been solid.

Again, not saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but if he underperforms, so do a majority of the NHLers with postseason experience. You are getting a wee bit ridiculous in undervaluing him.

I just hope he works on his defensive game.Not a totally worthless player.Not an all star.imo he's just not what we're looking for tho.

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I just hope he works on his defensive game.Not a totally worthless player.Not an all star.imo he's just not what we're looking for tho.

Sure he is. We have defensive players for the PK and late game situations. What we don't have is depth scoring.

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Didn't seem to disappear in the playoffs in 2008 when it counted most. Remember SCF game 4 perhaps? Had a respectable 2009 playoffs. Just two full playoff seasons so far and he's been solid.

:thumbup:

He's had 3 GWG in the last two playoff seasons. Hardly invisible.

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