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WCSF Game 2 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Sharks 4

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I TOTALLY agree with you, how can we win a game when the goalie gives up weak goals and an average of 4 in those losses. Horrible, I wonder when babs will finally wake up and put ozzie in net?

You wake up he was not the reason we lost the game we cudve been down much more if it weren't for his early brilliance. Last year we were simply a better team, we outshot our opponents almost EVERY game last year and the years before that, our D infront of osgood was great, if we put him in now i guarantee he will be worse than howard.

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Don't care about C-word.

I just don't like worthless ticks like you and Carmen funking up these boards.

Eva's not a troll. He may be highly opinionated but aren't we all? Just because he favours Hudler doesn't mean he's ruining the boards.

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Again, as bad as the refs were in this game, we gave them way too many opportunities to make questionable calls.

We could have won this game in spite of the refs, but we blew it.

You can't blame the refs for our sloppy play and lack of composure.

AGAIN, this game was as winnable as they come in spite of any of the refs iffy calls, but we lost control and lost the game.

Blaming the refs is futile when you play as sloppy as we did.

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Part to blame is on the Wings. If they would have pushed it all the game, they wouldn't be called for phantom calls. The Sharks were putting pressure and the refs were calling everything. It was sort of like a "kick em while they are done" moment. If the wings would have played like they are capable of, the penalties would have been the other way. It is no ******* conspiracy.

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Part to blame is on the Wings. If they would have pushed it all the game, they wouldn't be called for phantom calls. The Sharks were putting pressure and the refs were calling everything. It was sort of like a "kick em while they are done" moment. If the wings would have played like they are capable of, the penalties would have been the other way. It is no ******* conspiracy.

In the 2nd period, the Wings scored the only goal. They outshot the Sharks, 12-11, and had a lot of pressure. They drove the net, cycled the puck well and had a lot of offensive zone pressure.

There were two penalties in that period.

Both were against Detroit.

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Guest REDWINGSFTW

Have you guys noticed bertuzzi seems to have a fire lit under his ass now? This whole year and most of the playoffs he hasn't tried to deliver huge hits on anyone besides Jovanovski, he delivered a couple great hits.

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This game wasn't even enjoyable to watch; it was just frustrating and stressful. The referees were abysmal today and I don't know how anybody can dispute that. All three goaltender interference calls (Abdelkader, Bertuzzi, Heatley) were just ridiculous, and the call that Setoguchi drew literally came right as I was talking about how I lost all respect for him after his diving in the previous game. Also, tonight was the first time I have ever seen a player ram his own head into a goalpost (on the helmet, of course) to draw a penalty.

In the third period, we had several calls that were legitimate. Kronwall's hook, Cleary's slash, and the too-many-men call were indisputable. My problem, though, is that indisputable calls were not being called on both sides of the fence. The Sharks were interfering with our players left and right, holding our sticks, hooking us on rushes, etc. and faced absolutely no consequences. If you're going to call everything, fine, but do it for both teams.

Also, it was as if all of the calls against us couldn't have come at worse times. A penalty to Howard right at the beginning of the first, a penalty to Datsyuk right at the end of the period, a penalty to Bertuzzi after we regained the lead and the momentum, a penalty to close out the second period, and then a constant stream of penalties to round out the third period.

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Have you guys noticed bertuzzi seems to have a fire lit under his ass now? This whole year and most of the playoffs he hasn't tried to deliver huge hits on anyone besides Jovanovski, he delivered a couple great hits.

Yeah, Bertuzzi has played well. It's too bad he gets rep calls(besides the cross check that was legit).

He has a bad back that's why you don't see him crash and bang like it's '03.

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Again, as bad as the refs were in this game, we gave them way too many opportunities to make questionable calls.

We could have won this game in spite of the refs, but we blew it.

You can't blame the refs for our sloppy play and lack of composure.

AGAIN, this game was as winnable as they come in spite of any of the refs iffy calls, but we lost control and lost the game.

Blaming the refs is futile when you play as sloppy as we did.

We lost for a couple reasons. One, we weren't playing Red Wings hockey. We were sloppy, lazy and undisciplined.

That being said, when the refs are so ******* incompetent that they are calling phantom penalties and constantly forcing you to play on your heels because you're always on the penalty kill, that s*** is going to add up. The 2002 Wings would lose the game if these refs were calling it. You can't win the game when you're constantly on 5 on 3's because the refs caught you sneezing on the goalie and pop you for interference. Sooner or later, the team constantly on the PP is going to net goals, and that's just what happened.

Blaming the refs for this loss is absolutely correct, because if not for their stunning lack of intelligence, maybe we win this game DESPITE how poorly we played otherwise.

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How does that change all the terrible calls? You don't think the game's outcome was seriously affected by the refs? ARE YOU HIGH?

I believe the games outcome is decided by the players. So far, in this series, we have not seen the Wings team that came to play in game 7 of the Phoenix series. No desperation. No hunger. No passion. Where are these qualities? Did the refs take these qualities from them? I seriously think they took a flight back to detroit while the team went to San Jose.

San Jose is getting more chances because they are the hungrier team. Until Detroit comes out and matches that effort for a full 60 minutes, they are not going to beat this team or any other team in the playoffs on a consistent basis.

So you tell me, who is more high here? The guy bitching about the refs saying the games outcome was seriously affected by the refs or the guy saying that the Wings need a strong consistent effort for a full 60 minutes?

Ah well, I am heading to bed. As much as I am disappointed with the 4 obvious crap calls I saw in the game (3 against the Wings and 1 against the Sharks), what tires me more are the Wings fans that are jumping off the bandwagon like lemmings off a cliff.

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Eva's not a troll. He may be highly opinionated but aren't we all? Just because he favours Hudler doesn't mean he's ruining the boards.

Not really. Discussions have a purpose and you learn nothing from arguing with him. He's mostly here to agitate others and start pointless arguments. Sure guys like him and Carmen will give out one good post every now and again but overall it's better if his posts mostly say, "You have chosen to ignore all posts by (such and such)".

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Thank you captain obvious. :)

Seriously, I have been saying that for a while now. Pavelski has been a demon out there for San Jose. LGW was cheering him on when he was playing for team USA, and even I said that he was going to be trouble if Detroit and San Jose met. Now, they are seeing just how good this guy is. What a clutch player.

Problem is we are never going to be able to afford to resign Marleau if Pavs keeps playing like this. I want to see one of those time elapsed dollar counters above his head every time he hits the ice. Don't want to be a homer on your board, but Clowe and Seto deserve a lot of credit too, both are playing way above their previous levels.

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Let's put it this way, the Wings played well enough to cover their own mistakes and to weather the Sharks attack (since the final score wasn't a blowout). However, the way the calls went, it was an extra hurdle that made a manageable challenge become too overwhelming and thus the Wings lost.

Yes we played like crap at points in this game, yes the Sharks outplayed us at those points, but it's ridiculous for anyone to sit here and say the refs didn't have a part in deciding this game.

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What do you want? You want us to give your Sharkies credit, you would be better off going to the Middle East and handing out Bibles.

You don't need to credit the Sharks but please stop blaming the win on the Refs. The Sharks beat the Wings tonight not the Refs.

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I love the people calling for Osgood to be put in. You think he's going to be much better than Howard has been? The team made the conscious decision to sink or swim with Howard and that's just what they're doing. Give them props for sticking with their decision, at the very least.

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Keys to winning the series:

1) Stop Pavelski.

That is all.

The man is a one man wrecking machine to Detroit's hopes and dreams.

That being said, I want him to be a Red Wing. Real bad.

Sure but how good would Pavelski look if there were no such things as 5 on 3's?

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Part to blame is on the Wings. If they would have pushed it all the game, they wouldn't be called for phantom calls. The Sharks were putting pressure and the refs were calling everything. It was sort of like a "kick em while they are done" moment. If the wings would have played like they are capable of, the penalties would have been the other way. It is no ******* conspiracy.

You might want to stop saying things like this while you can. The overall conspiracy theorists and people blaming the refs gives a lot of LGW nation a certain comfort zone. See, the Wings can come out with a crap effort then, and its easy to point the finger at something else. Bettman is a great target for criticism too, even though the Wings are not playing for a full 60 minutes without intense passion or hunger.

Good to hear from true Wings fans out there such as yourself that have a grasp of the obvious and actually know hockey.

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