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#21 Octopus's Garden

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:08 AM

did anyone see the play where the net came off in the san jose end and the refs let play go until the puck was in Detroits end then blew the whistle making the face off in Detroits end as opposed to San Joses? maybe im missing something here but thats total bulls*** the net was very VERy clearly off while the puck was in the san jose end therfore faceoff shoulda been in the zone or just outside of it NOT in Detroits


YES! That pretty much summed it up for me.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:19 AM



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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:22 AM

Officiating did suck....last time it was this bad was back when we played Edmonton in the first round. just horrible. Even with that said, the wings still should of been able to pull it off, but they were not even close.
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:26 AM

I'll comment on both. The reason the faceoff was in the Detroit zone is because the net was knocked off by a Detroit player. That is also the reason they didn't blow the play dead because when the puck was in the San Jose zone. It would have given the Wings an advantage (face off in the attacking zone) after they were the ones to knock net off.

As for the Murray hit? It was as much Franzen running in to Murray as Murray hitting Franzen and he lowered his head making a shoulder to shoulder hit become a shoulder to head hit. Also, it was not "late" as Franzen had just gotten rid of the puck. It wasn't like Murray took a run at him from the blindside, it was just two guys arriving at point A at the same time. No penalty, CERTAINLY no postgame disciplinary action needed.

For a team of champs, you guys sure whine a lot. Even the players now?

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:30 AM

I'll comment on both. The reason the faceoff was in the Detroit zone is because the net was knocked off by a Detroit player. That is also the reason they didn't blow the play dead because when the puck was in the San Jose zone. It would have given the Wings an advantage (face off in the attacking zone) after they were the ones to knock net off.

As for the Murray hit? It was as much Franzen running in to Murray as Murray hitting Franzen and he lowered his head making a shoulder to shoulder hit become a shoulder to head hit. Also, it was not "late" as Franzen had just gotten rid of the puck. It wasn't like Murray took a run at him from the blindside, it was just two guys arriving at point A at the same time. No penalty, CERTAINLY no postgame disciplinary action needed.

For a team of champs, you guys sure whine a lot. Even the players now?


Go troll a Blackhawks forum.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:34 AM

I'll comment on both. The reason the faceoff was in the Detroit zone is because the net was knocked off by a Detroit player. That is also the reason they didn't blow the play dead because when the puck was in the San Jose zone. It would have given the Wings an advantage (face off in the attacking zone) after they were the ones to knock net off.

As for the Murray hit? It was as much Franzen running in to Murray as Murray hitting Franzen and he lowered his head making a shoulder to shoulder hit become a shoulder to head hit. Also, it was not "late" as Franzen had just gotten rid of the puck. It wasn't like Murray took a run at him from the blindside, it was just two guys arriving at point A at the same time. No penalty, CERTAINLY no postgame disciplinary action needed.

For a team of champs, you guys sure whine a lot. Even the players now?


I'm sure you'll be whining a lot the next round when you get your asses handed to you by the Hawks

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#27 GMRwings1983

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 11:08 AM

Go troll a Blackhawks forum.


Yeah, no kidding.

This guy could make any incident sound like a hapless accident. Should have been an attorney.
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 11:17 AM

stewie is af****** warrior, franzen, stfu and do something about it. If there is one thing that bugs me about franzen its his lack or physicality and toughness..
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 11:21 AM

the sharks are going to get a rude shock when they play the Blackhawks. the 4-1 series flattered the sharks, they were not that impressive. I am pretty sure the league would rather see the bright young starts (Kane, Toews) from a traditional hockey market in the SCF. the calls will go the way of the Blackhawks (I can imagine Nabby diving everytime Buttf***len crashes the crease and the refs don't call anything).

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 12:15 PM

I'll comment on both. The reason the faceoff was in the Detroit zone is because the net was knocked off by a Detroit player. That is also the reason they didn't blow the play dead because when the puck was in the San Jose zone. It would have given the Wings an advantage (face off in the attacking zone) after they were the ones to knock net off.

As for the Murray hit? It was as much Franzen running in to Murray as Murray hitting Franzen and he lowered his head making a shoulder to shoulder hit become a shoulder to head hit. Also, it was not "late" as Franzen had just gotten rid of the puck. It wasn't like Murray took a run at him from the blindside, it was just two guys arriving at point A at the same time. No penalty, CERTAINLY no postgame disciplinary action needed.

For a team of champs, you guys sure whine a lot. Even the players now?


I suppose the Versus crew, which is usually not too fond of Detroit, was whining when even they commented on the abysmal officiating?

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 01:21 PM

Missed Call on Franzen essentially is huge, PP goal for us would have completely changed the game and even if no goal, taken away 5 on 5 time for SJ.

These types of missed calls all series were major difference.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 03:42 PM

As for the Murray hit? It was as much Franzen running in to Murray as Murray hitting Franzen and he lowered his head making a shoulder to shoulder hit become a shoulder to head hit. Also, it was not "late" as Franzen had just gotten rid of the puck. It wasn't like Murray took a run at him from the blindside, it was just two guys arriving at point A at the same time. No penalty, CERTAINLY no postgame disciplinary action needed.


Rewatch the play. Franzen passed, watched the puck and Murray JUMPED and hit him.

Players can leave their feet now to make an interfering HEAD shot?

I suppose the Versus crew, which is usually not too fond of Detroit, was whining when even they commented on the abysmal officiating?


This is also a good point. The VS guys are usually not Wings fans, and while their bias against Detroit is never HUGE, they even mentioned through the series that the reffing was horrid.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 04:54 PM

Yeah, officiating sucked. Not the reason we lost however.

Even at the start of the 3rd, Sharks were pressing more.

Bulls***. Yes, it was. You can make this argument in most other series with poor officiating, but not this one. Poor officiating lead directly to their GWGs.

It's this type of attitude that perpetuates piss poor officiating. I get it's the alpha-male "never be whiner!" stance to take, but it's just not real. We're not professionals, we're fans. We're allowed to call it how it is. It's irresponsible of us to act any other way.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 04:55 PM

"to call ti how it is" = to call it how you perceive it to be

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 04:59 PM

"to call ti how it is" = to call it how you perceive it to be

So we're ignoring the obvious now? I always get a laugh when people accuse others of using the refs thing as an excuse, but they'll shovel excuses themselves so they don't have to admit maybe the refs did severely screw one team or another. Everyone is so scared to be ridiculed or labeled by others. Just frozen with fear. It's pretty sad. Sack up.

Let me add that not only did Versus make blatant mention of how poorly this series was officiated, TSN in Canada had an entire panel segment about it. That's the equivalent of saying "this s*** is not fair, period".

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 05:13 PM

So based on the points made here, does anyone think Stuart should have been called for the shot to Murray's head shortly after the Franzen no-call. Murray's lip was shredded, guy was bleeding all over himself? For that matter, should Stuart have received something more then a minor for the elbow to Pavelski's head? According to the new rules that is a game misconduct penalty.

How about knocking Thornton's stick out of his hands from behind (forget the player), leading directly to your teams only score?

I would have a lot more respect for the officiating sucks threads if the posts were at least marginally unbiased.

Bottom line is, Sharks won by beating the Wings at their own game, which many of you gloated would never happen.

Edited by Ratbastrd, 09 May 2010 - 05:13 PM.


#37 Electrophile

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 05:33 PM

Of course there's a bias here.....this is a Red Wings message board! What do you expect, a bias toward the Canucks?

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 05:46 PM

So based on the points made here, does anyone think Stuart should have been called for the shot to Murray's head shortly after the Franzen no-call. Murray's lip was shredded, guy was bleeding all over himself? For that matter, should Stuart have received something more then a minor for the elbow to Pavelski's head? According to the new rules that is a game misconduct penalty.

How about knocking Thornton's stick out of his hands from behind (forget the player), leading directly to your teams only score?

I would have a lot more respect for the officiating sucks threads if the posts were at least marginally unbiased.

Bottom line is, Sharks won by beating the Wings at their own game, which many of you gloated would never happen.


Lemme get this straight. Your team beat ours in a best of 7 series....yet your inferiority complex still requires you to both whine and gloat on the losers forum? Man you got issues. Choking Joe still has two rounds left to disappear in. Go make your shark jaw motions and root for Choking Joe, your welcome is about worn out here.

I mean, the only reason you're still here is because you wish your team WAS the Wings....like the history, the cups, the traditions, the cups...yah....see ya next year!

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 06:39 PM

So based on the points made here, does anyone think Stuart should have been called for the shot to Murray's head shortly after the Franzen no-call. Murray's lip was shredded, guy was bleeding all over himself? For that matter, should Stuart have received something more then a minor for the elbow to Pavelski's head? According to the new rules that is a game misconduct penalty.

How about knocking Thornton's stick out of his hands from behind (forget the player), leading directly to your teams only score?

I would have a lot more respect for the officiating sucks threads if the posts were at least marginally unbiased.

Bottom line is, Sharks won by beating the Wings at their own game, which many of you gloated would never happen.


Yes, Stuart's head shot should have been called. Though I'd suggest that if Murray's had not preceded it, or at least been called, Stuie wouldn't have sought retalliation. I took the refs letting Stuart's go as an admission that they F'd up the Murray hit.

And like I say in pretty much any officiating discussion, there are always missed calls on both sides. Picking out one here and there doesn't make it even. We have seen VS announcers talking about the terrible calls in game 2. We even had Bettman come close to admitting that refs can make mistakes. This series was not called evenly.

I'm not saying that the Wings would have won. Aside from game 4, it was pretty evenly played. The Sharks capitalized better on their opportunities, but they also unfairly had more of them. I'd say the Sharks probably would have won anyway. What really bothers me though is that since we can't ever get any kind of consensus, we have no real hope of improvement.

Losers always cry about the problem, but in a biased way. Winners always say it was fair. Truth is, it's hardly ever perfectly balanced. Even if it was though, who cares? The focus should be that the officiating is terrible. It's been terrible for years, and will continue to be terrible until somebody admits that there is a problem. We should not be talking about the five missed calls on your team, and you responding with the 5 missed on ours. That's too many mistakes, and it has far too much impact on the games.

The league made such a big deal about head hits this year. Murray's hit could have been used as an example to go along with the explicit definition the league came up with. But the refs let it go, and then let Stuie's response go. Being even doesn't make it good. But you don't want to admit there was a problem, because you fear it takes some validity away from your win. The league doesn't want to admit there's a problem, because they fear cries of bias or unfair play. Only the losers talk about it, and we're easily brushed aside as whiners. So it will never get any better (at least not until we get a commissioner with some balls).

I hope it's not the Sharks getting shafted next round. Good luck.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 06:46 PM

Is it fun being a douchebag? You seem to be a pretty knowledgable hockey fan so why not ignore the crap and just talk hockey? I dunno, seems pretty easy.

Consider this when you talk about whining. If your Franzen and the non-call on a play you felt was a penalty lead to the game winner in a game where your team was elimanated from the playoffs for the 1st time since 2006 before the 3rd round... I'd be pretty pissy and whiny too. He'll get over it and probably wont mention it after this week. Like the Sharks havent whined about something or another before.

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