X13WINGS13X 25 Report post Posted June 5, 2010 I have done the research and have concluded that with both the young and expierenced players that the Red Wings have, we can create another Russian Five. Based on what teams need with what the Wings have and player asking salaries, the wings can acquire the following players(to line-up with Pavel Datsyuk) without breaking the salary cap: Alexander Frolov Sergei Gonchar Nikolai Zherdev Anton Volchenkov I know it seems like a longshot, but these players are coming from teams who could use players with experience which the wings have and these players all have high salaries that would balance out the cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted June 5, 2010 not a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadaBoy 151 Report post Posted June 5, 2010 Alexander Frolov Sergei Gonchar Anton Volchenkov Nikolai Zherdev We would have to give up alot for the first 3. Not a bad concept though! ~Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted June 5, 2010 Gonchar and Volchenkov are both FA's, how long is Frolov in LA until? I'm not too sure the salaries would work out considering some dumbass team is going to offer Gonchar or Volchenkov a s*** ton of money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KDDRWINGS1 9 Report post Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Frolov is UFA and will be looking for more than the Wings can afford. I'd prefer Wojlski for a UFA anyways. Evgeny Artyukhin (UFA) is out there, does he count? Edited June 6, 2010 by KDDRWINGS1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicaldatsyuk 6 Report post Posted June 6, 2010 toooooo extreme. this would be a sick russian five though haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey God 9 Report post Posted June 6, 2010 that would never happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted June 6, 2010 Sounds nice. It isn't even in the same ball park as the original Russian Five though. Their sum talent was out of this world. 1 Vladifan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted June 6, 2010 3 Booster313, Namingway and Hossa4Life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicaldatsyuk 6 Report post Posted June 7, 2010 haha i love listening to the announcers saying their names, ov to ov to ov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted June 7, 2010 haha i love listening to the announcers saying their names, ov to ov to ov It's not like that anymore. Now it's in to ar to in to uk to uk. Malkin Gonchar Ovechkin Datsyuk Kovalchuk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted June 8, 2010 I have done the research and have concluded that with both the young and expierenced players that the Red Wings have, we can create another Russian Five. Based on what teams need with what the Wings have and player asking salaries, the wings can acquire the following players(to line-up with Pavel Datsyuk) without breaking the salary cap: Alexander Frolov Sergei Gonchar Nikolai Zherdev Anton Volchenkov I know it seems like a longshot, but these players are coming from teams who could use players with experience which the wings have and these players all have high salaries that would balance out the cap. Frolov is going to the KHL Gonchar is on the downhill. the leg injury he had is killing him still and i'd rather have volchenkov. Zherdev is already in or going to the KHL isn't he? and he has zero drive and work ethic. so much skill, so little effort. Volchenkov is asking for too much for what he provides. defensive dman that blocks lots of shots that decently make the first pass out of the zone....may as well re-sign lilja for $1mil then. Volchenkov is probably going to the Caps anyways. their D is terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted June 8, 2010 Overall I don't think today's Russians can put together a lineup that can beat the Russian Five. LD - Fetisov versus Gonchar RD - Konstantinov versus ...????... Volchenkov??? RW - Fedorov versus Malkin C - Larionov versus Datsyuk LW - Kozlov versus Ovechkin Ovechkin and Gonchar probably win the one on one individual battles but as a unit I think the Russian Five was A LOT more cohesive than today's potential all Russian unit. I just think that with Ovechkin, Malkin and Datsyuk that you have way too many guys that want the puck and so we wouldn't see nearly anything that resembles the endless cycles that the Russian Five used to play. Plus, the Russian Five all learned hockey in the same Soviet system, which they credit to the way they play so well together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicaldatsyuk 6 Report post Posted June 9, 2010 datsyuk wins the individual battle too i think. and i agree about how they are probably more cohesive because they all learned from the same soviet system. i think we saw in the olympics how the russian team wasnt really in-sync although they have so much talent but guys just wanted to do it all by themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted June 9, 2010 Sounds nice. It isn't even in the same ball park as the original Russian Five though. Their sum talent was out of this world. Yes. There will never be another group force like them out on the ice. I STILL say somebody oughta make a tape - albeit not a long one - of their play throughout the time they were together. THANK YOU, TITANIUM! This is definitely a start! Know any good editor/producers? Meanwhile, this puppy is FAVED. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted June 9, 2010 salary cap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicaldatsyuk 6 Report post Posted June 10, 2010 i dont think that this was meant to be serious, obviously were not bringing in ovechkin, malkin, gonchar, and volchenkov lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leadzedder 4 Report post Posted June 11, 2010 Kabanov Datsyuk Kovalchuk Volchenkov Markov Franzen Zetterberg Axelsson Kronwall Ericsson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 14, 2010 salary cap Wait....this isnt NHL 10???? 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 7, 2010 Plus it seems like the Russians back then all went through the same Soviet school of that particular style of hockey. These days I would guess that the Russian schools have a lot more differences in the way they teach hockey that the kind of fluidity we saw with the Russian Five can't really be re-created. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zohan Franzen 18 Report post Posted July 13, 2010 Kabanov Datsyuk Kovalchuk Volchenkov Markov Franzen Zetterberg Axelsson Kronwall Ericsson this is actually imaginable, i think ! Would be awesome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yzerman88 1 Report post Posted November 20, 2010 Plus it seems like the Russians back then all went through the same Soviet school of that particular style of hockey. These days I would guess that the Russian schools have a lot more differences in the way they teach hockey that the kind of fluidity we saw with the Russian Five can't really be re-created. One thing the Russians don't lack is fluidity. The guy has reached verb status! But then again this is Dats, who's one in a million! And, as a wings fan since birth, I put him on a pedestal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted November 20, 2010 One thing the Russians don't lack is fluidity. The guy has reached verb status! But then again this is Dats, who's one in a million! And, as a wings fan since birth, I put him on a pedestal. I meant fluidity within a five man unit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCa 8 Report post Posted May 27, 2011 Big 5 is even more urgent now, after the retirements and the rise of the "clones" like Vanand SJ; time to push it further. I agree with Titanium though, most Russians are not suitable for this type of play anymore, and certainly Ovi or Kovalchuk would not be (too much ego and not enough brain). How about: Zetterberg/Hudler – Datsyuk/Filppula - Bertuzzi/Fransen Kronwall– (? for Rafalski– mobile offensive d.) And get Professor on board as assistant coach, he was the guy who made it happen for the Russians, then for the Sharks and finally in Det, the only one who was present in all 5s. Would be silly not to use him if he is available. I think he is still in Detroit area? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted May 27, 2011 Big 5 is even more urgent now, after the retirements and the rise of the "clones" like Vanand SJ; time to push it further. I agree with Titanium though, most Russians are not suitable for this type of play anymore, and certainly Ovi or Kovalchuk would not be (too much ego and not enough brain). How about: Zetterberg/Hudler – Datsyuk/Filppula - Bertuzzi/Fransen Kronwall– (? for Rafalski– mobile offensive d.) And get Professor on board as assistant coach, he was the guy who made it happen for the Russians, then for the Sharks and finally in Det, the only one who was present in all 5s. Would be silly not to use him if he is available. I think he is still in Detroit area? Oh wow, I never though of that! Larionov would make a great assistant. Is he still locked up in Russia? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites