Jump to content


Photo
* - - - - 3 votes

Is Filppula going to be our 3rd line center...or 1st line winger?


  • Please log in to reply
58 replies to this topic

#1 blueadams

blueadams

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,012 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:15 PM

It looks like it's going to be either...

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Hudler-Helm-Cleary
Miller/*FA-Abdelkader-Eaves
Draper

OR

Hudler-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Abdelkader-Filppula-Cleary
Miller/*FA-Helm-Eaves

...the thing that drives me nuts about both lines (and hence, resigning bertuzzi) is that a very, very talented offensive player - hudler or filppula - will be wasted on a line that has two players with no hands - cleary and helm/abby.

i guess i like the second combination more, but really, i don't like either choice. it's going to take a cap-miracle signing to improve the situation.

#2 CenterIce

CenterIce

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,989 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:31 PM

We have had this discussion before, but first, it is a good problem to have. That means you have multiple lines that can contribute. It puts more pressure on their line mates, because more is expected of them, which is good. First and second line guys will get top defensive pairings, so I have always like scorers on the third or fourth line, because it creates mismatches. We have seen this with Samuelsson and Hudler, producing in a lower number of minutes on the lower lines. The players just have to get over the individual issues and realize it is all about the end result which is the win.

#3 eva unit zero

eva unit zero

    Save the Princess...Save the World

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,734 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:44 PM

Simple. Here's what the Wings should start the season with, and shift around to figure out chemistry if necessary:

Hudler/Zetterberg/Franzen
Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Eaves
Cleary/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Abdelkader/Helm/Miller
Draper

Lidstrom/Ericsson
Kronwall/Rafalski
Kindl/Stuart
Meech

Howard
Osgood

EDIT: Wow, everyone really seems to hate my lines at the rate I'm getting minuses. Do people on this board actually care about meaningless posts in repetitive threads?

Edited by eva unit zero, 17 June 2010 - 10:58 PM.

"I've never seen a warlock do that without his magic."
"I once devoured a monk's soul. It tasted like chocolate."

#4 Z and D for the C

Z and D for the C

    This is the TBL forum, right?

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,036 posts
  • Location:D, Michigan

Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:50 PM

2nd line center.


After what we've seen from his this past season, you'd have to be insane to put him in the bottom 6.

Edited by Z and D for the C, 16 June 2010 - 10:51 PM.

Just cause you look like the gimp don't mean you play like the gimp!


#5 Heroes of Hockeytown

Heroes of Hockeytown

    Big Goal Bob

  • Bronze Booster
  • 13,729 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:13 PM


Hudler/Zetterberg/Franzen
Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Eaves
Cleary/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Abdelkader/Helm/Miller
Draper

Those have got to be the two least skilled wingers Pavel has ever centered. He has always had a great finisher on his line like Hull/Shanny/Hank/Hossa/Franzen.

Edited by Heroes of Hockeytown, 16 June 2010 - 11:13 PM.

"We've been in the same spot all year long. We won 50 games for the fourth year in a row. People think we're just hum-drum and boring.
No, you know what we are, we're good. You can't do what we do every single day and not be good." - Mike Babcock

#6 Buppy

Buppy

    1st Line All-Star

  • Silver Booster
  • 1,990 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:13 PM

2nd line center.


After what we've seen from his this past season, you'd have to be insane to put him in the bottom 6.


But given the rest of our personnel, it makes the most sense. We have 8 players would could fit in the top 6.

Cleary-Flip-Eaves can play a role defensively and still be a decent threat on offense. They're even decently physical. All three have nice speed too. Pav and Hank center the top two lines, Homer and Bert play net presence, Happy and Mule play the snipers. I don't really like it, but with Bert it's the best we can do.

#7 thedisappearer

thedisappearer

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Silver Booster
  • 2,194 posts
  • Location:gladly not, Texas

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:17 PM

Hudler/Zetterberg/Franzen
Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Eaves
Cleary/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Abdelkader/Helm/Miller
Draper


Really? Eaves on the second line over Cleary *and* Bertuzzi? Partnered with Homer? Did I miss something?
*this space for rent*

#8 Drake_Marcus

Drake_Marcus

    Pariah

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,336 posts
  • Location:Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:24 PM

Simple. Here's what the Wings should start the season with, and shift around to figure out chemistry if necessary:

Hudler/Zetterberg/Franzen
Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Eaves
Cleary/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Abdelkader/Helm/Miller
Draper

Lidstrom/Ericsson
Kronwall/Rafalski
Kindl/Stuart
Meech

Howard
Osgood


People need to drop the Zetterberg as the 1st line centre and Datsyuk as the 2nd line centre bulls***. Zetterberg has never put up more points than Datsyuk in the regular season and likely never will. Datsyuk is a superior defensive player and is (generally) better on face-offs.

Do you ever wonder why the Red Wings always play Datsyuk as the 1st line centre in these scenarios? You shouldn't.

Zetterberg's forte is the play-offs. Let him save his steam for when it counts. Datsyuk is too dominant to put on your 2nd line in any scenario.
Dedicated to lulz once lost:
Posted Image
Thanks TeeMan!

"We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas
of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage" --H.P. Lovecraft

#9 Drake_Marcus

Drake_Marcus

    Pariah

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,336 posts
  • Location:Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:30 PM

2nd line center.


After what we've seen from his this past season, you'd have to be insane to put him in the bottom 6.


I disagree. Filppula is an average 2nd line player but a brilliant 3rd line player. We're still waiting for his break-out season instead of a break-out month. He'll have to break 41pts before you can loudly proclaim him a top six player. I'm sure he can break that barrier but the fact remains that his best season in the NHL was 40pts in 08-09.
Dedicated to lulz once lost:
Posted Image
Thanks TeeMan!

"We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas
of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage" --H.P. Lovecraft

#10 magicaldatsyuk

magicaldatsyuk

    Rookie

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 147 posts
  • Location:Indianapolis, Indiana

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:33 PM

People need to drop the Zetterberg as the 1st line centre and Datsyuk as the 2nd line centre bulls***. Zetterberg has never put up more points than Datsyuk in the regular season and likely never will. Datsyuk is a superior defensive player and is (generally) better on face-offs.

Do you ever wonder why the Red Wings always play Datsyuk as the 1st line centre in these scenarios? You shouldn't.

Zetterberg's forte is the play-offs. Let him save his steam for when it counts. Datsyuk is too dominant to put on your 2nd line in any scenario.



couldnt have said it bettter myself. hopefully datsyuk isnt paired with eaves and homer... maybe franzen and homer like last season?
"failing to prepare is the same as preparing for failure."- John Wooden

#11 ben_usmc

ben_usmc

    Kenny Powers Fan

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,829 posts
  • Location:ypsilanti

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:36 PM

It looks like it's going to be either...

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Hudler-Helm-Cleary
Miller/*FA-Abdelkader-Eaves
Draper

OR

Hudler-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Abdelkader-Filppula-Cleary
Miller/*FA-Helm-Eaves

...the thing that drives me nuts about both lines (and hence, resigning bertuzzi) is that a very, very talented offensive player - hudler or filppula - will be wasted on a line that has two players with no hands - cleary and helm/abby.

i guess i like the second combination more, but really, i don't like either choice. it's going to take a cap-miracle signing to improve the situation.

Sorry I know this is a little off topic, so I'll at least start by saying I think Flip will eventually be what everyone hopes for. My point though is that I am gettingf****** sick of this team, I'm sorry and I may be the only one. I wan tto keep the superstars but I really wish Holland would cut some of thesef****** ties and actually opted for some more new blood besides a potential goon...
There's no I in team, but there's a U in c***, so don't be little jealous c***s

#12 Buppy

Buppy

    1st Line All-Star

  • Silver Booster
  • 1,990 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:40 PM

I disagree. Filppula is an average 2nd line player but a brilliant 3rd line player. We're still waiting for his break-out season instead of a break-out month. He'll have to break 41pts before you can loudly proclaim him a top six player. I'm sure he can break that barrier but the fact remains that his best season in the NHL was 40pts in 08-09.


He's not a 'brilliant' 3rd-liner either. He's a far better player with better linemates. This past season, and '08 where he spent a bunch of time with Datsyuk, and then a red-hot Franzen in the playoffs proves that.

That's the worst part of the Bert signing. It will most likely push Flip down, and take whatever PP time he was going to get. Flip isn't going to break out of anything from the third line. He couldn't with Hudler and Sammy, he won't with whomever he gets this year. We'll likely end up spending $7.5 million on a third line that scores 35 goals. I kind of hope we trade him now. He deserves a better opportunity.

#13 eva unit zero

eva unit zero

    Save the Princess...Save the World

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,734 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:46 PM

Really? Eaves on the second line over Cleary *and* Bertuzzi? Partnered with Homer? Did I miss something?


Eaves was on pace for almost 30 goals his rookie year in Ottawa. He has shown offensive skill and is a solid defensive player who plays a feisty physical game.

Cleary hasn't been any better a goal scorer than Eaves was that season, and Cleary has had better opportunities. Both have spent most of their careers as defensive specialists who were first round picks and expected to produce much more offense than they have over their careers, as both have had injuries and limited opportunity to play in offensive roles. There is no reason Eaves is less deserving than Cleary of a spot on the "second" line with Datsyuk.

And Drake, just so you know:

I don't know about other people, but I arrange the lines based on the quality of the LINE. While I do rate Zetterberg ahead of Datsyuk as a player, it's not for that reason that the Z line is listed first. If you swapped Franzen and Eaves, then Dats' line would be listed first. If Filppula were playing with Franzen and Hudler, Z had Miller and Abdelkader, and Dats had Helm and Eaves, then maybe Filppula's line is listed first. Of course, that leaves a fourth line of Holmstrom/Cleary/Bertuzzi...


couldnt have said it bettter myself. hopefully datsyuk isnt paired with eaves and homer... maybe franzen and homer like last season?


Because Eaves isn't "good enough" to play on the wing with Datsyuk?

If Datsyuk needs to have really good linemates in your opinion, is he really that good then?

"I've never seen a warlock do that without his magic."
"I once devoured a monk's soul. It tasted like chocolate."

#14 Wings4Life19

Wings4Life19

    3rd Line Checker

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 442 posts
  • Location:Casper, Wyoming

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:48 PM

Mule-Pav-Homer
Hudler-Z-Flip(1)
Bert-Helm-Cleary
Eaves-Abby-Miller

Draper and/or Ritola and/or Flip(2)

No way Hudler and Flip(1) are on the bottom 6. Those lines give the wings the best 3rd line in the league. Plus Cleary and Bert can replace Homer on the top line if babs wants a little more speed.

#15 Heroes of Hockeytown

Heroes of Hockeytown

    Big Goal Bob

  • Bronze Booster
  • 13,729 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:50 PM

Because Eaves isn't "good enough" to play on the wing with Datsyuk?

If Datsyuk needs to have really good linemates in your opinion, is he really that good then?

He doesn't need anything, but if you're trying to get the best possible lineup than you should put your best finishers with your best playmakers. You can't squeeze blood from a stone; Draper played on Datsyuk's wing extensively in 2006, is Pavel no good because he couldn't turn him into a goal scorer?
"We've been in the same spot all year long. We won 50 games for the fourth year in a row. People think we're just hum-drum and boring.
No, you know what we are, we're good. You can't do what we do every single day and not be good." - Mike Babcock

#16 13dangledangle

13dangledangle

    1st Line All-Star

  • Silver Booster
  • 1,851 posts
  • Location:Port Hope, Ont.

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:52 PM

2nd line center.


After what we've seen from his this past season, you'd have to be insane to put him in the bottom 6.




Agreed, something F'd up would have to happen for Flip to be in the bottom 6. I say they put...

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmer
Franzen-Flippula-Bertuzzi
Ritola-Abby-Hudler
Miller-Helm-Eaves
Draper

.....I realize Mattius wont be there but I dig his game and think those three could be sweet.
....Ladies and Gentlemen Jimmy "F%$*ing" Howard.

#17 SwedeLundin77

SwedeLundin77

    Over the Line!!!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,876 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:54 PM

It looks like it's going to be either...

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Hudler-Helm-Cleary
Miller/*FA-Abdelkader-Eaves
Draper

OR

Hudler-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Abdelkader-Filppula-Cleary
Miller/*FA-Helm-Eaves

...the thing that drives me nuts about both lines (and hence, resigning bertuzzi) is that a very, very talented offensive player - hudler or filppula - will be wasted on a line that has two players with no hands - cleary and helm/abby.

i guess i like the second combination more, but really, i don't like either choice. it's going to take a cap-miracle signing to improve the situation.


If Babcock's quotes about next year are to ring true, Flip will not be on the third line. Bertuzzi will more than likely be a 3rd line winger playing on the second PP. Hence the lines will probably look more like this:

Hudler - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Filppula - Zetterberg - Franzen
Cleary - Helm - Bertuzzi
Miller - Abdelkader - Eaves
---Draper/Ritola/I. Filppula

You might even see these pairings, Babs mentioned this as well at some point

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Hudler - Filppula - Franzen
Cleary - Helm - Bertuzzi
Miller - Abdelkader - Eaves
----Draper/Ritola/I. Filppula

I think either way would be fine, if the second pairing of Huds, Flip, and Franzen get it done, and surely they're capable of doing so, why not put the super first line back up there and let the Euro-twins work their magic like a few years back. I think that would be the best. Cleary and Bertuzzi could play up too in case someone isn't pulling their weight at even strength - talking about Holmer....

I almost wish they'd trade Draper, but it would be nice to have that veteran savvy on the back side of the offense. I am really pulling for I. Filppula, but I just think it would be cool to have brothers on the team. He looks like he could pan out, but I know i'm probably just dreaming. Who knows, maybe Eaves walks for more money, you never know.

Ritola may be traded since we already have Draper as a reserve and he's not longer able to be freely waived down to GR.

#18 titanium2

titanium2

    Asha... I want I want!!!

  • Bronze Booster
  • 10,495 posts

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:56 PM

How about neither?

2nd Line Center.

#19 Konnan511

Konnan511

    #FreePulkkinen

  • HoF Booster
  • 10,339 posts
  • Location:Traverse City, Mi

Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:58 PM

As long as him and Franzen are together and he is no where near Cleary, it's all gravy.
The Best Of BC
HankthaTank
- Squirrels, they hate to be thrown. / Why is the magical unicorn named Brian... Jedi - I just downloaded the "kids" book, "Go the F--k to Sleep" as narrated by Samuel L. Jackson on my kindle. I am now ready to be a daddy. / *Checks Router* No, I'm positive I didn't hit the "Wings Defense Sucks" button. Electrophile - I'm just glad the Wings were able to win despite the Curse of Brian. ACallToArms - I think Trey needs to put something about payroll tax and deferred income in his sig... Edicius - I'd rather [have] a soundbite of me saying "I like (man sausage)" rather than "I like Crosby".

#20 Buppy

Buppy

    1st Line All-Star

  • Silver Booster
  • 1,990 posts

Posted 17 June 2010 - 12:00 AM

He doesn't need anything, but if you're trying to get the best possible lineup than you should put your best finishers with your best playmakers. You can't squeeze blood from a stone; Draper played on Datsyuk's wing extensively in 2006, is Pavel no good because he couldn't turn him into a goal scorer?


Funny thing is, Drapes did better than Bert did.





Similar Topics Collapse

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users