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Illitch "definitely committed" to new downtown arena

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Even though I was only able to start attending games at the Joe this past April, I somehow have been swept in. When I wasn't at school I was closer to Nationwide and so dad would always take us there due to time considerations, but I completely prefer the Joe. I can't say what it is either, I love that its dedicated to a Legendary Detroit native, and though others call it a dump, when the team is going and a good crowd fills it I can't think of a more electric environment to behold. And Im sorry but those new arenas that encourage people to use their electronic devices irk me a a bit. You are at a hockey game, watch the hockey game or expel some energey and get your head up to watch the jumbotron. Ok rant over. If Mike builds us a new arena I will come, but I wouldnt mind him making sure to tie our heritage into it.

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They have hired the architects to design the new rink.

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They have hired the architects to design the new rink.

Linky

AA Center (the Hangar) is a beautiful basketball venue. It absolutely sucks to try to watch hockey there. It is too steep and you can't see the corners, so you learn to watch the game on the jumbotron - admittedly one of the coolest jumbotrons I've seen.

I am very glad I have been able to catch a few games at the Joe before they dump it. What a shame, when/if that happens. :(

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I was curious when i saw that it would be a 18k seat arena. are they just not including the suites in that number? cuz id be surprised if there are less seats in the new one than the joe (20,066).

I just wish they would do a new Joe, but keep the sightlines, and seats. all the new joe needs is a nice video board, wider concourse with more or bigger bathrooms, and to get rid of the mt everest of stairs you have to climb to get in.

bars in the surrounding area would be sweet too.

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Agreed.

Nothing against the Ilitch's, but that family has the $$$ to build it themselves...I'm sure city of Detroit has better ways to spend what little $$$ it has.

They don't. They are doing all they can to get investors to put their own money into infrastructure so more people will come to the city, increase the profits of shops (so they won't fold after a year or two), increase the demand for jobs, increase the population, and increase the tax base.

The city helping put the Red Wings in an arena that is actually downtown and not tucked away in a corner surrounded by bridges and highways would do a lot for the city.

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Having watched a ton of games at the Joe in the 80s and 90s, I thought maybe they should just look into trying to renovate or revitalize it.

Then I watched a game at the Staples Center and thought "Tear the Joe down now!!!"

Nostalgia aside, the Joe is a dump. Architecturally ugly, geographically poorly positioned. While I don't think Wings fans will need all the bells and whistles to keep the crowd entertained during tv timeouts and the like, having multiple floors with multiple levels of of concessions and bathrooms makes a HUGE difference. You'll actually be able to buy a beer or take a leak without missing half the game.

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adding to harolds point, anyone who doesnt think we should have an upgrade from the Joe, go check out Jobing.com in glendale. thats the only other NHL rink ive been to, and it was awesome. they have a whole community around that rink including bars/restaurants, hotels, shops, and so on. I get that we wont have the same amount of room to do the same, but anything half as cool as that area would be amazing.

awesome layout they got there.

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adding to harolds point, anyone who doesnt think we should have an upgrade from the Joe, go check out Jobing.com in glendale. thats the only other NHL rink ive been to, and it was awesome. they have a whole community around that rink including bars/restaurants, hotels, shops, and so on. I get that we wont have the same amount of room to do the same, but anything half as cool as that area would be amazing.

awesome layout they got there.

I agree 100%. That arena in Glendale is awesome. I was there last year. So many empty seats though. I swear only 5000 people were actually in the arena during the game. Of course it was a Yotes-Flames game.

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AA Center (the Hangar) is a beautiful basketball venue. It absolutely sucks to try to watch hockey there. It is too steep and you can't see the corners, so you learn to watch the game on the jumbotron - admittedly one of the coolest jumbotrons I've seen.

I am very glad I have been able to catch a few games at the Joe before they dump it. What a shame, when/if that happens. :(

I don't agree with that, the AA is an amazing venue in its own right, even for hockey. I've been to no less than 4 or 5 Wing's games there and never had a problem seeing anything. It may be steep on the second level, but I wouldn't know, I've never been up there. with $75 lower bowl tickets, why would you? Depending on where you sit in ANY venue, the corners are hard to see for hockey period, especially the closer you get to the ice.

Oh, and I have a hankering it may be called Amway Arena or something along those lines....

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I don't agree with that, the AA is an amazing venue in its own right, even for hockey. I've been to no less than 4 or 5 Wing's games there and never had a problem seeing anything. It may be steep on the second level, but I wouldn't know, I've never been up there. with $75 lower bowl tickets, why would you? Depending on where you sit an ANY venue, the corners are hard to see for hockey period, especially the close you get to the ice.

I've sat in the both upper and lower levels of AAC, and haven't once been disappointed. Yes, the upper levels are steep, but they do afford a good view of the entire ice surface, and we had no problems tracking the puck or even reading the names on the back of the jerseys.

Check out my pic from the last Wings game I went to, to see what I mean. Taken from the lower rows of the upper level, still a great view, and only about $40 a ticket.

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I've sat in the both upper and lower levels of AAC, and haven't once been disappointed. Yes, the upper levels are steep, but they do afford a good view of the entire ice surface, and we had no problems tracking the puck or even reading the names on the back of the jerseys.

Check out my pic from the last Wings game I went to, to see what I mean. Taken from the lower rows of the upper level, still a great view, and only about $40 a ticket.

Was that from this year?

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I've sat in the both upper and lower levels of AAC, and haven't once been disappointed. Yes, the upper levels are steep, but they do afford a good view of the entire ice surface, and we had no problems tracking the puck or even reading the names on the back of the jerseys.

Check out my pic from the last Wings game I went to, to see what I mean. Taken from the lower rows of the upper level, still a great view, and only about $40 a ticket.

I agree I have sat in multiple places at the AA arena from the best to the worst and in between and always had a good view of the game.

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Having 2000+ less seats seems kind of dumb. If anything, I figured it would have been about 2k more. They have an opportunity here to make a really badass arena. I hope they don't screw it up. I can almost hear Ilitch now, pulling a Holland. "We like our 18,000 seats".

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Having 2000+ less seats seems kind of dumb. If anything, I figured it would have been about 2k more. They have an opportunity here to make a really badass arena. I hope they don't screw it up. I can almost hear Ilitch now, pulling a Holland. "We like our 18,000 seats".

18,000 must be a magic number that someone came up with when penciling out how to maximize arena revenue vs. marginal construction cost. The way arenas are built now, those 2,000 extra seats makes the building taller, the footprint bigger, and mechanical and service portions of the arena increasingly large. Those 2,000 extra seats will generate the least amount of revenue and have the most marginal cost per seat. That said, the Red Wings have been more or less regularly selling out 20,066 in an underwhelming building for the better part of two decades now; I think it would be nice for the new rink to hit 20,000.....perhaps 19,500 with significant SRO places. The last 11 arenas constructed for NHL teams have all been between 17,125 (Phoenix) and 18,819 (Toronto), averaging 18,186 (not including Winnipeg).

Here's hoping..........New Olympia Stadium

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Having 2000+ less seats seems kind of dumb. If anything, I figured it would have been about 2k more. They have an opportunity here to make a really badass arena. I hope they don't screw it up. I can almost hear Ilitch now, pulling a Holland. "We like our 18,000 seats".

I'm guessing those 2000 less seats are made up for (financially anyway) in more box seats.

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They have hired the architects to design the new rink.

Linky

Couldn't they have waited like 6 years for me to get my professional degree and certification? :(

Dream: gone.

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I don't agree with that, the AA is an amazing venue in its own right, even for hockey. I've been to no less than 4 or 5 Wing's games there and never had a problem seeing anything. It may be steep on the second level, but I wouldn't know, I've never been up there. with $75 lower bowl tickets, why would you? Depending on where you sit in ANY venue, the corners are hard to see for hockey period, especially the closer you get to the ice.

Oh, and I have a hankering it may be called Amway Arena or something along those lines....

There is already Amway Arena in Orlando, Florida so I doubt that it takes on the Amway name. Possibly another Detroit name though. Motor City Arena anyone?

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Couldn't they have waited like 6 years for me to get my professional degree and certification? :(

Dream: gone.

Or even three more years for me? :hehe:

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Having 2000+ less seats seems kind of dumb. If anything, I figured it would have been about 2k more. They have an opportunity here to make a really badass arena. I hope they don't screw it up. I can almost hear Ilitch now, pulling a Holland. "We like our 18,000 seats".

Well, if the games look "empty" now then we know there is a problem.

The 2000 seats' money will be made up for with preferred/luxury seating. And there may be roomier seating than there is currently at the Joe.

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I would hope for a modest 20,000 seats all together. As for a name, I am pining for The Delta Centre. Since taking over Northwest Airlines as the largest carrier in Detroit (in the 4th largest airport in the country) Delta hasn't done too much to become part of the community and really invest some money in Detroit the City outside of Romulus The Airport. The Utah Jazz used to have the Delta Center as the name of their arena, but that was years ago, it has since changed. With a brand new arena, and basically Delta still being "NEW" to the area (I know they flew in and out of here prior, but it was like 6 flights) this would be a great opportunity for both Ilitch and Richard Anderson (Delta CEO) to work together on this to help Detroit grow even more. Of course, with it being a Hockey Arena, I had to switch the ER to RE in CentRE to give it a more Canadian flavor, plus the words Delta Centre flow off the tongue pretty easily.

Then all the Airport Authority and the City of Detroit has to do is connect the city to the airport via an light rail with stops in Dearborn and Comerica/Ford Field and Casino's, then the city will finally start to turn the corner. You will have folks actually FLY in to go to a game, dinner, casino, ride the train back to the Airport the next day or same night, and go home. All that sounds like Cash to the City to me...but then again, there is the corrupt City Council and Anti-Union Bing to deal with and that is a whole other monster!

Mr. Ilitch, Mr. Anderson...The Delta Centre...get it done!

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Speaking of awesome arenas, has anyone else been to the Tampa Bay Times Forum? (formally St. Pete Times Forum) That place was recently re-done and it is amazing. We sat 2nd row to the top in the corner. We parked maybe 75 yards form the arena in an open parking lot for 10 bucks. As soon as the game ended we were out of the arena and onto the freeway in 25 minutes and the game was sold out. Seriously. It takes about a decade to get home from the Joe. I was very impressed with that arena. Very nice surrounding area too, probably has something to do with the fact that it was in Tampa Bay, but very nice place.

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