henrik40 76 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Woops.... There has been so much info toss around these boards the last 2 days that I read somewhere that starting yesterday that 27 teams would now have a shot at him. LOL who even knows with all the armchair gm talk. My bad fellow Hank fan haha no worries. I think there was the same confusion yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I would assume GM's are taking the fact that he WANTS to play for the wings. I mean this is a pivatol position and if he might not want to play for them??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Nah, there are 27 other teams ahead of us. With NJ not taking him that still leaves the other 26. So yes. Fixed. Thanks. Just because there are teams behind us in the waiver order, that doesn't mean they don't have a shot at claiming a player. Basically, when the waiver order is compiled, they essentially just list the reverse standings and take the Wings out of the list. So yes, all 29 teams get a shot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Philly and Vancouver do get a chance... EVERY team gets a chance to claim him. OT doesn't matter the Red Wings place in the standings, remove them rank the other 29 teams opposite the standings and that's the waiver order. Appreciate the clarification. I suck at GM mode on NHL '11 Just because there are teams behind us in the waiver order, that doesn't mean they don't have a shot at claiming a player. Basically, when the waiver order is compiled, they essentially just list the reverse standings and take the Wings out of the list. So yes, all 29 teams get a shot Got it now. I shall take a step back now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 The three teams I'm most worried about are Colorado, San Jose, and (for some reason) Chicago. In other coming back to the NHL news....per Darren Dreger Forsberg will skate with the Avs. He doesn't have to clear waivers if he signs because he didn't play in Euro this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) The three teams I'm most worried about are Colorado, San Jose, and (for some reason) Chicago. In other coming back to the NHL news....per Darren Dreger Link? Nevermind, just seen the other thread... sorry Edited January 21, 2011 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Just got a text from ESPN with the same info that Dreger is reporting. Silly Floppa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Okay, so I just got home from work, checked out the last few pages. It appears to me that Rule 11.8B is an open-shut case. It's very clearly worded, but the fact that so few people are picking up on it makes me wonder if I'm missing something obvious. Basically. Rule 11.8B says that if Nabakov wants to play for Detroit and no one else, no one else can claim him. Ergo...all the "ifs" have now been broken down to one: Does Nabakov want to play for Detroit and no one else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selliria 76 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I have this feeling that Kenny has devised some kind of intricate scheme... and that it's going to work out exactly the way he wants it to. Otherwise, this just doesn't make any sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Ok so the general hypothesis is that this process started right after Jimmy got hit in the knee. after they found out he was fine they decided to keep negotiating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 In other coming back to the NHL news....per Darren Dreger I assume they meant "season" and not "year", because Nabokov hasn't played overseas this year either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Okay, so I just got home from work, checked out the last few pages. It appears to me that Rule 11.8B is an open-shut case. It's very clearly worded, but the fact that so few people are picking up on it makes me wonder if I'm missing something obvious. Basically. Rule 11.8B says that if Nabakov wants to play for Detroit and no one else, no one else can claim him. Ergo...all the "ifs" have now been broken down to one: Does Nabakov want to play for Detroit and no one else? There has to be something to that NMC that pertains to after the waiver claim. Like you can't trade him or put him on waivers after you have claimed him, in the same fashion a NMC would work if you had signed him in the offseason. That makes the most sense to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Ok so the general hypothesis is that this process started right after Jimmy got hit in the knee. after they found out he was fine they decided to keep negotiating. Which tells me Kenny either has little confidence in A. Ozzie being able to recover on time, or B. Jimmy's ability to carry the team in the postseason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Okay, so I just got home from work, checked out the last few pages. It appears to me that Rule 11.8B is an open-shut case. It's very clearly worded, but the fact that so few people are picking up on it makes me wonder if I'm missing something obvious. Basically. Rule 11.8B says that if Nabakov wants to play for Detroit and no one else, no one else can claim him. Ergo...all the "ifs" have now been broken down to one: Does Nabakov want to play for Detroit and no one else? What rule book are you reading? If that were true he would be signed and not have to wait until he clears waivers where every team has an oppurtunity to sign him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I feel that IF no one can spell his name correctly, then by that logic he should not come here.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Which tells me Kenny either has little confidence in A. Ozzie being able to recover on time, or B. Jimmy's ability to carry the team in the postseason I think it is safe to assume both things are an issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Which tells me Kenny either has little confidence in A. Ozzie being able to recover on time, or B. Jimmy's ability to carry the team in the postseason I see it as cheap but pretty damn good insurance. 1. You don't know what Ozzie's shape will be being off the ice for 6-8 weeks after a sports hernia surgery. What if he can't move in a certain way ... 2. Jimmy can perform in the playoffs, he did great last year but we lost in 2nd round. If he plays again this year, he will just get more mature and I think he has a good head on his shoulder. Don't know if he can take us all the way but people like Halak, Lehtonen, Niemi were the goalies that stood on their heads so anything can happen. BUT having someone like Nabby in the bullpen if Jimmy does get the jitters or injures himself from now till playoffs is just good prudent decision. If anything, it shows Kenny doesn't have a lot of confidence in Joey MacDonald to either back up Jimmy or go to bat in case Jimmy goes down. For $250K to cover all those bases ... what a steal! I'm kinda surprised Nabby signed for so cheap but then he's probably still laughing to the bank with his $6 mill last year. Edited January 21, 2011 by RedWingsRox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I see it as cheap but pretty damn good insurance. 1. You don't know what Ozzie's shape will be being off the ice for 6-8 weeks after a sports hernia surgery. What if he can't move in a certain way ... 2. Jimmy can perform in the playoffs, he did great last year but we lost in 2nd round. If he plays again this year, he will just get more mature and I think he has a good head on his shoulder. Don't know if he can take us all the way but people like Halak, Lehtonen, Niemi were the goalies that stood on their heads so anything can happen. BUT having someone like Nabby in the bullpen if Jimmy does get the jitters or injures himself from now till playoffs ... if anything it shows we don't have a lot of confidence in Joey MacDonald to either back up Jimmy or go to bat in case Jimmy goes down. Covering all bases. I hope it lites a fire under his @rse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I see it as cheap but pretty damn good insurance. 1. You don't know what Ozzie's shape will be being off the ice for 6-8 weeks after a sports hernia surgery. What if he can't move in a certain way ... 2. Jimmy can perform in the playoffs, he did great last year but we lost in 2nd round. If he plays again this year, he will just get more mature and I think he has a good head on his shoulder. Don't know if he can take us all the way but people like Halak, Lehtonen, Niemi were the goalies that stood on their heads so anything can happen. BUT having someone like Nabby in the bullpen if Jimmy does get the jitters or injures himself from now till playoffs ... if anything it shows we don't have a lot of confidence in Joey MacDonald to either back up Jimmy or go to bat in case Jimmy goes down. Covering all bases. I think the best thing it brings is the tandem. This could be like the Ozzy and Hasek tandem of 2008 that won use the prize! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I see it as cheap but pretty damn good insurance. 1. You don't know what Ozzie's shape will be being off the ice for 6-8 weeks after a sports hernia surgery. What if he can't move in a certain way ... 2. Jimmy can perform in the playoffs, he did great last year but we lost in 2nd round. If he plays again this year, he will just get more mature and I think he has a good head on his shoulder. Don't know if he can take us all the way but people like Halak, Lehtonen, Niemi were the goalies that stood on their heads so anything can happen. BUT having someone like Nabby in the bullpen if Jimmy does get the jitters or injures himself from now till playoffs ... if anything it shows we don't have a lot of confidence in Joey MacDonald to either back up Jimmy or go to bat in case Jimmy goes down. Covering all bases. I see #1 as being the biggest reason for this move and #2 just being an indirect possibility. I can't imagine, given Ozzie's age, that 6-8 weeks off after surgery is going to be easy to come back from and get in playing shape again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I see #1 as being the biggest reason for this move and #2 just being an indirect possibility. I can't imagine, given Ozzie's age, that 6-8 weeks off after surgery is going to be easy to come back from and get in playing shape again. Didn't Hasek come back after groin issues and play? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Didn't Hasek come back after groin issues and play? Sure but they're two different people. Either way, Nabby turns into a cheap insurance policy, like someone already said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Which tells me Kenny either has little confidence in A. Ozzie being able to recover on time, or B. Jimmy's ability to carry the team in the postseason Both, but mostly Holland knows he cannot win the Cup giving up 4-5 goals a game.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I think this signing is for insurance purpose. As people have stated, if Ozzie isn't ready to come back/ Howard struggles down the stretch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) What rule book are you reading? If that were true he would be signed and not have to wait until he clears waivers where every team has an oppurtunity to sign him. Actually, I pulled the segment I was reading from another message board regarding another player, but the more closely I read it I think it's not the whole section 11.8b, as it seems to only pertain to a player already owned by a team and said team waiving him. I don't think signing a Euro player and being forced to submit him to waivers is the same thing. Edited January 21, 2011 by VM1138 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
