Original-Six 254 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 I dont mind the stuff Avery does one the ice. He knows his roll and hes good at it. It what he does off the ice that bothers me. He doesn't know when to stop sometimes and carries that stuff into the locker room. Its well documented how he used to unmercifully haze/taunt Dustin Brown when he played in LA. I'll pass on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Really? Strange...having watched roughly 50 games this year it seems pretty obvious that Franzen won't even involve himself in a scrum when one of his teammates is getting pushed around by the opposition. No preseason for you? No playoffs last year? Maybe he doesn't try to square up with players to fight often because he isn't very good at it? And maybe you think Avery has "heart and desire" because you don't understand that he is simply acting like a sideshow for the attention? The guy was booted from Detroit for his attitude, and is only able to find a hospitable team in the Rangers who are a pretty mediocre at best franchise. Yeah, what an inspiration. Don't forget he chose 19 in LA because it was "in honor of Yzerman's stick collecting tour". His own words. Edited February 24, 2011 by Doc Holliday 5 Dano33, Electrophile, vladdy16 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 We also seem to have a "No Fighting" and "No Hitting" policy that goes nicely with our shameful "Don't back your teammates up" policy. 1 wings1110 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 Nothing against Maltby, but there's a particular reason why I would take Avery over Maltby...I'll let you guess what it may be Yeah, I already know. Good for that logic but I will take Maltby's hardware he has on his fingers over Avery's bruises from attempting to be "tough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 Nothing against Maltby, but there's a particular reason why I would take Avery over Maltby...I'll let you guess what it may be So fellow LGW members aren't allowed to post their opinions? visor that goes to chin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 Really? Any examples you can offer - I'm curious. players get hazed in all pro sports, its just usually kept in the lockerroom. that is until dez bryant ******* about carrying shoulder pads. was brown a rookie when this happened? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selliria 76 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 How is it that women love this guy? I don't know. I can't stand him. Not only does this video show how much of a complete dbag he is, it shows how the idea of professionalism has never sank into his brain. I don't give a crud what you say behind closed doors to your teammates, friends, and family. But to act so unprofessional to a fan? Hang up the skates, Avery. You don't belong anywhere near this league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 So - by having Maltby over Avery we won multiple Cups? Ok then. Nah, you missed the point. Maltby has them, Avery doesn't. Didn't claim that but thanks for the keyboard larceny though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 Yeah, I already know. Good for that logic but I will take Maltby's hardware he has on his fingers over Avery's bruises from attempting to be "tough. avery won a cup here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 avery won a cup here Had the same role on it that Malts had too K, I have to leave this thread, it's getting a bit overdone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 avery won a cup here He didn't play the minimum games required and was not given a ring IIRC. So, no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) He didn't play the minimum games required and was not given a ring IIRC. So, no. he was givin a ring, his name just wasnt engraved on the cup i dont think. he showed it on mtv cribs lol. ovi doesnt have a ring either, ur right malby>ovi Edited February 24, 2011 by wings1110 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 What point was missed? Maltby has Cup rings while Avery doesn't = Maltby a better player? Not sure I agree with that. Proves Malts undying unappreciation people have for his role he played on those teams. Entitled to your opinion you are but watch some old game tape. Maltby is and always will be a very underrated part of those Cup runs. Just overshadowed by an immense amount of talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 ovi doesnt have a ring either, ur right malby>ovi Thanks for bringing something of value to the conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Toledo 233 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 In response to his hazing of Brown: Brown has/had a slight speech impediment, for which Avery mocked him. Not sure if this was cruel tormenting, or a couple of jabs every now and then. Either way, not very cool to do to a teammate; especially a rookie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted February 24, 2011 I've always liked Avery. 22 points w/ 157 PIM (tied for 2nd) and only -2 Someone please explain what makes you dislike him so much...? His mouth? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selliria 76 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Someone please explain what makes you dislike him so much...? His mouth? Honestly, my beef with him is the same beef I have with Crosby. They're both good hockey players, it's his personal character that I can't stand. The guy is just a ******. Edited February 24, 2011 by Selliria Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 I've always liked Avery. 22 points w/ 157 PIM (tied for 2nd) and only -2 Someone please explain what makes you dislike him so much...? His mouth? His attitude. His dives. His lack of respect for his teammates (See: Yzerman comment). Take your pick. 4 Selliria, sleepwalker, HankthaTank and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 I've always liked Avery. 22 points w/ 157 PIM (tied for 2nd) and only -2 Someone please explain what makes you dislike him so much...? His mouth? Helm has 24 points with much less PIM (which doesn't mean s*** to me really other than you are just hurting your team more) and a +7. Who do you want? His mouth by far and well see all of Doc's response. 3 Selliria, Green Wing and teebo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 I honestly wouldn't want Avery on this team but some people need to get some things in perspective. Avery would actually be the toughest player on this team, he might not be the biggest hitter but he would consistently be the most involved in the rough stuff, fight the most, and be the most consistent hitter (on forward anyways). He might be a ******, I agree but he can actually fight and hit pretty good while having some talent. if he wasnt awful in the dressing room I would want him on the team. Secondly, Franzen is not a tough player, he is actually very soft and rarely is involved in scrums at all... Yeah he is a great goal scorer, but people dont need to pretend because he is a red wing that he actually gets involved in scrums and hits a whole lot. He hits a minimum amount for a player his size, it is very rare that anyone that big is actually less physical or only as physical as Franzen. His attitude. His dives. His lack of respect for his teammates (See: Yzerman comment). Take your pick. This coming from a guy who defends Franzens physicality? 2 wings1110 and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted February 24, 2011 Helm has 24 points with much less PIM (which doesn't mean s*** to me really other than you are just hurting your team more) and a +7. Who do you want? His mouth by far and well see all of Doc's response. and he's done it in two less games... I didn't say I'd give up Helm for Avery. Helm is one of my favorite players on the Wings. However, I would trade any one of Eaves, Miller, Draper, Kindl or Abdelkader in exchange for Avery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 and he's done it in two less games... I didn't say I'd give up Helm for Avery. Helm is one of my favorite players on the Wings. However, I would trade any one of Eaves, Miller, Draper, Kindl or Abdelkader in exchange for Avery. Probably 50 "tough" guys who can turn on the offense in the league I'd take over Avery just on principle alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mabuhay Red Wings 177 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 His lack of respect for his teammates (See: Yzerman comment). What was this one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted February 24, 2011 What was this one? I'm unsure of that one too... I did find this from a few years ago... "We used to talk to him about a lot of the things that he does and we talked to him about not doing it, I don't know that anybody is going to change Sean Avery. Having said that, a lot of the things he says I don't believe he really means, I think he says them for effect, unfortunately he can't take those things back," said Yzerman. "I think he is doing himself a disservice because he's a better person than he's coming across as and he's a good hockey player and I've said that to him countless times." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 I dont care what anyone says, I think what the guy does is hilarious. I would love to have him back on this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
