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I've always liked Avery.

22 points w/ 157 PIM (tied for 2nd) and only -2

Someone please explain what makes you dislike him so much...? His mouth?

His attitude.

His dives.

His lack of respect for his teammates (See: Yzerman comment).

Take your pick.

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I've always liked Avery.

22 points w/ 157 PIM (tied for 2nd) and only -2

Someone please explain what makes you dislike him so much...? His mouth?

Helm has 24 points with much less PIM (which doesn't mean s*** to me really other than you are just hurting your team more) and a +7. Who do you want? His mouth by far and well see all of Doc's response.

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I honestly wouldn't want Avery on this team but some people need to get some things in perspective.

Avery would actually be the toughest player on this team, he might not be the biggest hitter but he would consistently be the most involved in the rough stuff, fight the most, and be the most consistent hitter (on forward anyways). He might be a ******, I agree but he can actually fight and hit pretty good while having some talent. if he wasnt awful in the dressing room I would want him on the team.

Secondly, Franzen is not a tough player, he is actually very soft and rarely is involved in scrums at all... Yeah he is a great goal scorer, but people dont need to pretend because he is a red wing that he actually gets involved in scrums and hits a whole lot. He hits a minimum amount for a player his size, it is very rare that anyone that big is actually less physical or only as physical as Franzen.

His attitude.

His dives.

His lack of respect for his teammates (See: Yzerman comment).

Take your pick.

This coming from a guy who defends Franzens physicality?

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Helm has 24 points with much less PIM (which doesn't mean s*** to me really other than you are just hurting your team more) and a +7. Who do you want? His mouth by far and well see all of Doc's response.

and he's done it in two less games...

I didn't say I'd give up Helm for Avery. Helm is one of my favorite players on the Wings.

However, I would trade any one of Eaves, Miller, Draper, Kindl or Abdelkader in exchange for Avery.

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and he's done it in two less games...

I didn't say I'd give up Helm for Avery. Helm is one of my favorite players on the Wings.

However, I would trade any one of Eaves, Miller, Draper, Kindl or Abdelkader in exchange for Avery.

Probably 50 "tough" guys who can turn on the offense in the league I'd take over Avery just on principle alone.

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What was this one?

I'm unsure of that one too...

I did find this from a few years ago...

"We used to talk to him about a lot of the things that he does and we talked to him about not doing it, I don't know that anybody is going to change Sean Avery. Having said that, a lot of the things he says I don't believe he really means, I think he says them for effect, unfortunately he can't take those things back," said Yzerman. "I think he is doing himself a disservice because he's a better person than he's coming across as and he's a good hockey player and I've said that to him countless times."

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Probably 50 "tough" guys who can turn on the offense in the league I'd take over Avery just on principle alone.

I could too but thats counting guys like Lucic, Stewart, Iggy and Clowe.

I can guarantee you cant list 50 tough guys that play bottom 6, put up as many points as Avery does (~30) and can efficiently play a grinding, physical role.

I dont like Avery at all but people let their blind hate for the **** hide the fact that he can play the game. The only guy that I would say is better then him in our bottom 6 is Helm and thats even debatable.

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What's that got to do with Avery?

Nothing directly - just another example of a player interacting with a fan.

Avery does it = not funny to some fans (even though I thought it was).

Shanahan does it = hilarity to the masses (and yes - it was funny).

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We also seem to have a "No Fighting" and "No Hitting" policy that goes nicely with our shameful "Don't back your teammates up" policy.

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. :clap:

Don't understand why Wings fans would hate Avery. He plays in the East and hasn't really done anything in Detroit to be hated so much.

I'd love to have a guy like Avery on the team. He's also a much better player than anyone would care to admit.

Edited by GMRwings1983

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Is that an order?

Don't hate just because Avery plays with more heart in the average game than a guy like Franzen has demonstrated this entire season.

Avery is certainly better playing with his heart than his brain thats for sure. Ive also also thought that our guys play with heart, but this season Ive noticed more then a few times our player will get jabbed, slashed, crosschecked, tomahawked ect...yet our guys do f*** ALL and its starting to piss me off. With the exception of Clears and Ericsson. Ive been happy with/for Big Bert as well...But I think Its time for Big Bad Bert to appearthumbup.gif

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Someone please explain what makes you dislike him so much...? His mouth?

Well.. these..

In response to his hazing of Brown:

Brown has/had a slight speech impediment, for which Avery mocked him. Not sure if this was cruel tormenting, or a couple of jabs every now and then. Either way, not very cool to do to a teammate; especially a rookie.

His attitude.

His dives.

His lack of respect for his teammates (See: Yzerman comment).

Take your pick.

.. and this:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=396369

The Red Wings, with Holland pulling the trigger, traded him midway through the following season.

"The only thing I would say is obviously we had him as a young player at that time and our concern was his lack of respect for the game, the people in the game and, obviously, he left us," Holland said. "He has worked his way through a few organizations now and it's apparent that he hasn't matured."

No, Sean Avery does not come off to me as a tough guy, or as a guy that would be useful to the Wings any more or less useful than he wasn't on the Wings beforehand. He's the poster child for silly antics and getting your name in the paper with controversy and not actual playing skill. At least in the NBA Dennis Rodman, while getting his name in the paper, was a pro at rebounding and drawing fouls. Avery, in his best performances, is a pest (already have a few of those). He get most of his notoriety from his mouth, antics, lack of respect for the game, and being a male fashionista. The better question is who the flying hell would want that? Besides a few people who strangely (and I mean more "desperately" than "strangely") believe he would help this team gain some arbitrary amount of "toughness"? He had his chance with this team. He's certainly not Red Wing material.

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99% of us would love this guy if he came back to Detroit, including myself.

THIS. everyone loves this kind of player when theyre wearing your sweater. hes the kind of guy that just does his thing no matter what and can be counted on to mix things up when they arent going your way.

One thing that has to be noted is that avery has a pretty good handle on himself. he doesnt take too many boneheaded penalties or take many unnecessary penalties. i like that when the team is rolling he doesnt s*** disturb too much.

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