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What an offseason, but to be honest Holland has had it pretty easy the past couple years compared a lot of other GMs around the horn. Not this time, holy moly so it looks like we are shaping up like this (capgeek.com)...

Franzen-Dats-Holmer

? -Hank-Bertuzzi

?-Flip-Hudler

?-Helm-Abby

Lids(assuming)-Stuart

Kronner-Kindl

?-?

?-?

Howard

?

............Wow is an under statement here guys and girls, and yes Eaves, Miller, Drapes and Ozzy mite be back to fill voids, though Im not convinced yet thats the way to go. The only one I really want on that list is Eaves. We dont need Miller or Drapes, we need Mursak this kid is gold, reminds me so much of Helm which is great because Helm is becoming one of my favorites. But with Drapes and Miller it comes us the same player X4. Kindl should be up full time and I think he'll develop into a solid D man for us. The rest I say we fill with ufa/rfa/the trading of Flip and Hudler. We need to score more goals this year then every so we must load up on our top six. I dont know how, but I do know things are getting shaken up this year, good luck Holland!thumbup.gif

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Carle for Hudler and a pick. I've said this before, but I shall state it yet once again. That's a good deal for us.

I know that would be the popular choice around here but there are three problems I would see with this trade proposal:

1. Hudler's value is low right now so I don't see Holland moving him right now unless the deal would be overwhelming that he couldn't turn it down (meaning he'd be getting what the value he would think would be Hudler's ceiling)

2. Philly is looking for Cap relief for a goaltender, so I doubt they're looking for salary to come back. They want money for a goaltender or to re-sign Leino. They'll want picks/prospects or whatever; not another forward. I'm sure they'd rather the $2.85M Hudler is making to go towards Leino.

3. I really don't know that Philly would think that is fair market value for Carle.

What an offseason, but to be honest Holland has had it pretty easy the past couple years compared a lot of other GMs around the horn. Not this time, holy moly so it looks like we are shaping up like this (capgeek.com)...

Franzen-Dats-Holmer

? -Hank-Bertuzzi

?-Flip-Hudler

?-Helm-Abby

Lids(assuming)-Stuart

Kronner-Kindl

?-?

?-?

Howard

?

............Wow is an under statement here guys and girls, and yes Eaves, Miller, Drapes and Ozzy mite be back to fill voids, though Im not convinced yet thats the way to go. The only one I really want on that list is Eaves. We dont need Miller or Drapes, we need Mursak this kid is gold, reminds me so much of Helm which is great because Helm is becoming one of my favorites. But with Drapes and Miller it comes us the same player X4. Kindl should be up full time and I think he'll develop into a solid D man for us. The rest I say we fill with ufa/rfa/the trading of Flip and Hudler. We need to score more goals this year then every so we must load up on our top six. I dont know how, but I do know things are getting shaken up this year, good luck Holland!thumbup.gif

Cleary will be slotted into line 2 as he is signed. Mursak will 100% be the 13th forward and be in a bunch of games. Also, the Wings were the second highest scoring team in the league this year. If you're concerned about the loss of offence from the back end so you want to remedy that by getting an impact forward I can understand that but I don't see it happening.

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What an offseason, but to be honest Holland has had it pretty easy the past couple years compared a lot of other GMs around the horn. Not this time, holy moly so it looks like we are shaping up like this (capgeek.com)...

The job of an NHL GM isn't to GM for the hockey season, it's to manage for the current and future NHL seasons. So him having an "easy" time, shows that he has been extremely competent. If Rafalski didn't retire, he'd have another easy summer where we'd only have to replace a couple bottom six guys and a couple third pairing defensemen along with finding a back up goalie.

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FORWARDS

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Brooks Laich ($2.400m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.300m)

Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Drew Miller ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.000m)

Joni Pitkanen ($4.500m) / James Wisniewski ($4.550m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,283,711; BONUSES: $0

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,216,289

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FORWARDS

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Brooks Laich ($2.400m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.300m)

Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Drew Miller ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.000m)

Joni Pitkanen ($4.500m) / James Wisniewski ($4.550m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,283,711; BONUSES: $0

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,216,289

Yes please.

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Right now the team should look something like this for next season...

Forwards: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Cleary, Filppula, Holmstrom, Hudler, Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Helm, Eaves, Mursak, Miller, Emmerton

Defensemen: Lidstrom, Kronwall, Stuart, UFA, Kindl, Smith, UFA

Goalies: Howard, UFA

I'd like to see Hudler gone but Kenny says the forward group is pretty much set. I'm guessing Ehrhoff will be signed to replace Rafalski. Ericsson should get big bucks from a team on July 1st given his age and upside. Personally, I don't see Ericsson getting much better than he is now. Smith should make the team if he has a decent camp. If Ericsson leaves then Smith will likely make the team. I can't see Kenny signing 3 UFA dmen. Salei will likely be replaced by a vet depth dman.

In goal I could see Ty Conklin being signed once again to back up Howard. The big thing for me is to replace Hudler with a gritty winger who can score 15-20 goals and be more suited in the playoffs than Hudler is.

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As much as I would love to have him on the team, there's no way the Caps let him get away especially at that price. He's a team leader and a good playoff performer.

If you look at the bottom it says that there is four million left in cap space which you could add to his salary. I just like seeing what the Wings COULD do with their cap even though I know it is only thoughts and likely won't happen.

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The Flyers will be signing Bryz, so that kind of money is going to force them to make moves and they love to do that.

They also have been known for making perplexing ones. I just don't know if we have enough firepower to make a big move without touching the forward prospects that should be untouchable.

Pulk, Tatar, Jarn, and Smith I feel will be the price for anyone important in any trade and I would say no every time.

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Some people have cited Washington for a trade looking at green... but what about Wideman? He is a righty and good on the PP. His salary is 4 million which would allow us to add to the rest of the team.

Honestly he would bring more offense to the club then Defense, but perhaps you add Bieksa as well or a cheaper Defensive specialist to solve the D problem...

I could see Washington liking Hudler as well.

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Carle for Hudler and a pick. I've said this before, but I shall state it yet once again. That's a good deal for us.

It's a good deal for us, but that doesn't mean it's a good deal for Philly. They're already loaded on the wings and adding $2.8 of questionable salary situation doesn't really do anything good for them, even with a pick.

If Carle is available they can get deals more ideally situated to their roster/cap situation.

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The Wings should really ought to give consideration to Kevin Bieksa. Another right handed shot which, after the retirement of Raffy, leaves them with Eaves as the only regular in the lineup that's right handed. He's had a great playoff as well.

Holland doesn't overpay players, and while Bieska is having a good PO, he's not that impressive overall. There are equal options out there...and won't come as overpayment. Bieska will get severely overpaid this offseason.

If Holland can get him for under $4 ($3.5-ish), then I say go for it, but I bet he gets offers over $5 mil yr. Same with Erhoff. Holland will probably find "lesser knowns" who will be fine.

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It's a good deal for us, but that doesn't mean it's a good deal for Philly. They're already loaded on the wings and adding $2.8 of questionable salary situation doesn't really do anything good for them, even with a pick.

If Carle is available they can get deals more ideally situated to their roster/cap situation.

I really hope we don't trade for Carle. I enjoy listening to Philly fans complain about him 24/7 but then again they complain about every player.

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If Vancouver doesn't re-sign Bieksa, that would be about as stupid as Chicago not keeping Niemi or Byfuglien but if they don't for some reason and the Wings get him that would be great.

Chicago not keeping Niemi wasn't stupid; he isn't even as good as Crawford. He wasn't better than Crawford last season either; the difference is that Crawford could be sent to the minors. I'm interested in what happens with Derek Meech. He was above Kyle Quincey on the depth chart their entire time together with the Wings, and Quincey managed to turn up as a decent top-four defenseman when he left. Meech played better than Brett Lebda, who signed a deal in Toronto after he was pushed out of Detroit's defense. So what is Meech's fate?

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Rip on me all you want for slotting Zherdev in, but he has potential (4th overall pick 2003), size, and scoring ability. Datsyuk could be a good influence on him to try to get him a little better on the d end. Not to mention he is a right shot that we desperately need. Not sure why nobody has considered Gagne yet. Could do a one year deal similar to what tampa did and see if things work out and replace next season when better players are available. He definitely has scoring ability. Make a trade for Bogosian (using huds, prospect, picks) as bogosian is young right shot that we need on d, and has potential. Pitkanen for maybe a 2 year deal to see how it goes, and if something comes up next year when lids retires (aka weber only signs a one year deal this year) then we aren't stuck with pitkanen around too long after, and smith with be chomping at the bit to get into the regular lineup. I have to agree that we aren't getting any RFA's through offer sheets. Parise, Weber, Doughty won't happen. I want one soooo bad and i still have hope, but theres no point in counting on it.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m)

Simon Gagne ($5.250m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)

Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)

Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.500m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Joni Pitkanen ($4.000m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Zach Bogosian ($3.500m)

Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Josh Harding ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,608,711; BONUSES: $0

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $791,289

I'd love to mess around with a lineup with jeff carter in it for s***s. He would be IDEAL as he is a right handed center we need badly. Can't wait till sheahan and jarnkrok are ready to go in the distant future as they are potential 2 great right handed centers.

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with no chance at shea weber... i really really badlyyy want zach bogosian and james wisniewski on our roster 2 right handed young bucks is exactly wat we need.. lids,stu,kronny... are our vets now.. i wanna see...

lidstrom-stuart

kronwall-bogosian

wisniewski-ericsson

kindl ... if we cant keep ericsson i wouldnt mind a guy like hal gill or sean o'donnell etc etc..

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All things set aside in terms of the Carter trade, this team would be soooooo dope. and 2 mill to spare. Might have to put Pitkanen in for Bogosian due to trade bait going towards Carter, but people were suggesting that philly would want to pick up cap space anyways (not sure how many 1sts and prospects it would take)... Look at all those players with right handed shots (Carter, Eaves, Asham, Wisniewski, Bogosian)! That bottom line has the potential to be a sick grind line imo. and helm has earned a role as 3rd line center. The top two lines are devastating. It sucks that homer's contract had to be on the books this season; coulda been 3 mil left over instead of 2, and have Tatar up.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS

Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Arron Asham ($0.750m)

Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.500m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Zach Bogosian ($3.500m)

Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Josh Harding ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,381,438; BONUSES: $0

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,018,562

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FORWARDS

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Brooks Laich ($2.400m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.300m)

Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Drew Miller ($0.750m)

DEFENSEMEN

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.000m)

Joni Pitkanen ($4.500m) / James Wisniewski ($4.550m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,283,711; BONUSES: $0

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,216,289

Nice :thumbup: Mail it to Ken Holland please :hehe:

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Rip on me all you want for slotting Zherdev in, but he has potential (4th overall pick 2003), size, and scoring ability. Datsyuk could be a good influence on him to try to get him a little better on the d end. Not to mention he is a right shot that we desperately need. Not sure why nobody has considered Gagne yet. Could do a one year deal similar to what tampa did and see if things work out and replace next season when better players are available. He definitely has scoring ability. Make a trade for Bogosian (using huds, prospect, picks) as bogosian is young right shot that we need on d, and has potential. Pitkanen for maybe a 2 year deal to see how it goes, and if something comes up next year when lids retires (aka weber only signs a one year deal this year) then we aren't stuck with pitkanen around too long after, and smith with be chomping at the bit to get into the regular lineup. I have to agree that we aren't getting any RFA's through offer sheets. Parise, Weber, Doughty won't happen. I want one soooo bad and i still have hope, but theres no point in counting on it.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m)

Simon Gagne ($5.250m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)

Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)

Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.500m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Joni Pitkanen ($4.000m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Zach Bogosian ($3.500m)

Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Josh Harding ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,608,711; BONUSES: $0

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $791,289

I'd love to mess around with a lineup with jeff carter in it for s***s. He would be IDEAL as he is a right handed center we need badly. Can't wait till sheahan and jarnkrok are ready to go in the distant future as they are potential 2 great right handed centers.

Smith won't be the 7th defenseman. If he's up it's because he's going to play full-time. So replace him with Janik, and that gives you another $363k to your cap space, bumping it to about $1.15m. Add Emmerton/Miller/Draper and you lose half to all of that.

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