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Also he is saying "sign whoever because Brad Stuart is clearly not good enough to play in our top four"...even thought Mike Babcock has consistently said he's our best stay at home defenseman, and one of the steadiest in the league.

I doubt he'd take a million dollar pay cut. He's taken pay cuts in the past but considering this is his last year (probably) and considering what he means to the organization, I doubt they'd ask him to take anything less than 6 million dollars for one year.

Exactly.

I bet he goes from 6.2 to 6, and that's it and for what he brings to the table, he's worth every penny(and then some) and people suggesting he take less are crazy...

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS

Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Sergei Kostitsyn ($2.000m)

Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)

Milan Lucic ($4.083m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m)

Drew Miller ($1.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Anton Babchuk ($1.600m)

Brendan Smith ($0.875m) /

Jonathan Ericsson ($1.100m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Chris Osgood ($1.100m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,082,044; BONUSES: $260,000

CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $377,956

There's a 23-man roster cap. Which is fine, because Tatar and Smith will be in Grand Rapids and don't have to pass through waivers. You do seem to be a pretty good GM otherwise, because you've traded Jiri Hudler in a three-way-deal for Milan Lucic AND Sergei Kostitsyn. Truly a magician. Realistically though...

1) Nashville won't just let their leading scorer sign with someone else, especially Detroit. He also will cost more than $2m.

2) Boston won't be trading Lucic. For Hudler or anyone else. You'd be looking at two of Franzen/Filppula/Hudler plus one of Kindl/Smith and maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Something along the lines of "Trading a bunch of good players for one guy" and Holland isn't going to do that for Lucic. He might do it to get Crosby or Ovechkin, but not Lucic.

3) Ehrhoff will be making closer to $5m. Maybe higher.

4) Babchuk will probably be in the $2.5-$3m range.

5) Ericsson won't be staying for less than $2m, and won't be staying if he's not in the top six.

6) Osgood will be making about half that much if he comes back.

So let's drop Lucic, Kostitsyn, put Hudler back, and drop Smith. That cuts the roster by the necessary amount, and raises the available cap space to about $4.46m. Bump Ehrhoff to $5m and Babchuk to $3m. Now we're looking at $2.06m. Cut Ozzie's salary in half. $2.61m. Now bump Ericsson's salary up to $2m, and we're back down to $1.71m in cap space.

So that's not so unrealistic there, except for the question of the cap space. Would Holland be happy with that roster and having that cap space? What if Tatar spends the year in Grand Rapids and Emmerton gets that spot (up to $2.02m) and then you replace Miller and his $1m with a better forward, like Jussi Jokinen?

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Also he is saying "sign whoever because Brad Stuart is clearly not good enough to play in our top four"...even thought Mike Babcock has consistently said he's our best stay at home defenseman, and one of the steadiest in the league.

I doubt he'd take a million dollar pay cut. He's taken pay cuts in the past but considering this is his last year (probably) and considering what he means to the organization, I doubt they'd ask him to take anything less than 6 million dollars for one year.

Lidstrom has banked ~94mil, I think Lidstrom would be ok telling Kenny and Mr. Illitch that he'd play for around 5mil or less.

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Spot on. Very little mention of Hudler and no mention of Pitkanen. +1 for you. Plus, I agree with everything you said...I think.

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My perfect off-season (not that I think this is what the roster WILL look like, but this is what I am hoping for right now) for what we need, cost, etc, would be:

**LINES ARE JUST SUBJECTIVE AND ARE JUST FOR FORMATTING PURPOSE**

FORWARDS

Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)

Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)

Cody McCormick ($1.000m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.300m)

Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.500m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Steve Montador ($1.750m)

Doug Janik ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Ty Conklin ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,054,544; BONUSES: $0

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,145,456

This also leaves some good cap space for re-signing our assets next year as well as any trade deadline moves...

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CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,145,456

This also leaves some good cap space for re-signing our assets next year as well as any trade deadline moves...

It's always nice to have that cap space, but for a contender like us it's just wasting potential. I mean 4mill is kinda much, even if you have so re-signing to do the next off-season.

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It's always nice to have that cap space, but for a contender like us it's just wasting potential. I mean 4mill is kinda much, even if you have so re-signing to do the next off-season.

look at that roster though - where else would you want to spend the money? that'd be a damn solid and balanced lineup, top to bottom.... unless one of Hudler or Fil are traded and a higher priced top 6 forward is brought in, I just don't see the sense in spending just to spend with what's available out there...

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look at that roster though - where else would you want to spend the money? that'd be a damn solid and balanced lineup, top to bottom....

Agreed.

unless one of Hudler or Fil are [is] traded and a higher priced top 6 forward is brought in

This. Hudler's 2.875 plus and additional 1.5 - 2 million invested a true scoring winger would be sweet.

...and there would still be money left for re-signing and at the trade deadline.

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Agreed.

This. Hudler's 2.875 plus and additional 1.5 - 2 million invested a true scoring winger would be sweet.

...and there would still be money left for re-signing and at the trade deadline.

I'd be good with that as well, I just try not to factor trades into the equation too often, as they're really hard to guess with how many variables come into play...

Also, the market for FA wingers is pretty weak this year, so unless they trade for the rights to a RFA winger and then sign him, or trade outright for a winger in a package, I don't really see a lot of options out there to fill this role... but if they could land it, oh man...

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My perfect off-season (not that I think this is what the roster WILL look like, but this is what I am hoping for right now) for what we need, cost, etc, would be:

**LINES ARE JUST SUBJECTIVE AND ARE JUST FOR FORMATTING PURPOSE**

FORWARDS

Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)

Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)

Cody McCormick ($1.000m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.300m)

Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.500m)

Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Steve Montador ($1.750m)

Doug Janik ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

Ty Conklin ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,054,544; BONUSES: $0

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,145,456

This also leaves some good cap space for re-signing our assets next year as well as any trade deadline moves...

lol. I've seen several people suggest Conklin so far. Those here should note that his most recent season was a bloody disaster. He played in 25 games and had a save percentage of less than .900.

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lol. I've seen several people suggest Conklin so far. Those here should note that his most recent season was a bloody disaster. He played in 25 games and had a save percentage of less than .900.

True, true. Also to be noted though, those games were played with the St. Louis Blues. :ph34r:

Just wondering... Who's your backup of choice Crymson?

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lol. I've seen several people suggest Conklin so far. Those here should note that his most recent season was a bloody disaster. He played in 25 games and had a save percentage of less than .900.

lolz, roflcopter - Those looking at his past season should note that the defense in front of him was a bloody disaster.

He'd be a backup, making a minimal salary (could probably be had for even less than I suggested) and he knows our system and a lot of the players... goaltenders are very funny breeds and their surroundings and mental state GREATLY affects their play on the ice and from the looks of things in St. Louis this past season, they didn't have a good thing going on, or off the ice... furthermore, it'd most likely only be a 1 or 2 year deal anyway...

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lol. I've seen several people suggest Conklin so far. Those here should note that his most recent season was a bloody disaster. He played in 25 games and had a save percentage of less than .900.

i hope we can all apply this logic when it comes to bringing osgood back.

thanks for everything, ozzie. don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

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True, true. Also to be noted though, those games were played with the St. Louis Blues. :ph34r:

Just wondering... Who's your backup of choice Crymson?

The Blues weren't that bad of a team. They had a positive goal differential and finished with 5 more wins than regulation loses. Conklin had a bad season, but it could just have been a down year for him.

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The Blues weren't that bad of a team. They had a positive goal differential and finished with 5 more wins than regulation loses. Conklin had a bad season, but it could just have been a down year for him.

That doesn't always equate to a good team in front of him... their defense was horrible...

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7 defenders with a 0 or better +/- vs 4 defenders with a negative +/-. They weren't bad defensively. +/- overall of their defensemen: +11

Plus I never said they were good, I just said they aren't as bad as some people were making them out to be.

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7 defenders with a 0 or better +/- vs 4 defenders with a negative +/-. They weren't bad defensively. +/- overall of their defensemen: +11

Plus I never said they were good, I just said they aren't as bad as some people were making them out to be.

Fair enough - I just think that those numbers were helped out with their pretty good scoring up front and also, I think it's a bad sign that they even rolled 11 dmen, that's a lot of inconsistency on the back end...

Anyways, I think we're splitting hairs here, I think we both agree that even if it was 100% on Conklin, that was one down year for a guy who has been an otherwise solid backup and at his caphit he would most likely garner, he'd be a good choice here for the backup role

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Fair enough - I just think that those numbers were helped out with their pretty good scoring up front and also, I think it's a bad sign that they even rolled 11 dmen, that's a lot of inconsistency on the back end...

Anyways, I think we're splitting hairs here, I think we both agree that even if it was 100% on Conklin, that was one down year for a guy who has been an otherwise solid backup and at his caphit he would most likely garner, he'd be a good choice here for the backup role

That's exactly what i said in my first post you quoted ;) I said he could have just been having a down year since goalies and their numbers are fairly volatile.

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7 defenders with a 0 or better +/- vs 4 defenders with a negative +/-. They weren't bad defensively. +/- overall of their defensemen: +11

Plus I never said they were good, I just said they aren't as bad as some people were making them out to be.

I wasn't trying to make them out to be horrible, really just wanted to take a shot at St. Louis.

All these numbers aside, they did finish 10 points out of the playoffs.

Fair enough - I just think that those numbers were helped out with their pretty good scoring up front and also, I think it's a bad sign that they even rolled 11 dmen, that's a lot of inconsistency on the back end...

Anyways, I think we're splitting hairs here, I think we both agree that even if it was 100% on Conklin, that was one down year for a guy who has been an otherwise solid backup and at his caphit he would most likely garner, he'd be a good choice here for the backup role

I agree with that assessment. He played in only one more game than the previous season and had 2.48 GAA .921 SV%

That's exactly what i said in my first post you quoted ;) I said he could have just been having a down year since goalies and their numbers are fairly volatile.

Well look at that. People in agreement. People having quality discussion. Whodathunkit? ;)

Looking around the league at the FA class of goalies the only others out there that spark my interest as a back-up are Theodore and Boucher. Each had 29 starts: 15/11/3 - 2.71/.916 // 18/10/4 - 2.42/.916 (respectively)

I think both of them can probably land a slightly higher price tag than I'd be willing to shell out though...

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That's exactly what i said in my first post you quoted ;) I said he could have just been having a down year since goalies and their numbers are fairly volatile.

Wait, so what you're getting at here is that he could have just been having a down year?

on the other hand, I think he could have just been having a down year...

:hehe:

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Wait, so what you're getting at here is that he could have just been having a down year?

on the other hand, I think he could have just been having a down year...

:hehe:

You're misunderstanding me. What I'm saying is, is that his year could have just been a negative fluctuation in regards to his play.

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Looking around the league at the FA class of goalies the only others out there that spark my interest as a back-up are Theodore and Boucher. Each had 29 starts: 15/11/3 - 2.71/.916 // 18/10/4 - 2.42/.916 (respectively)

I think both of them can probably land a slightly higher price tag than I'd be willing to shell out though...

I'd be good with Theodore as well, Boucher seems a little volatile with his ups and downs and I'm not sure how much of a steadying force that'd be, but with that said, I wouldn't be opposed to him either, given the price tag was right... otherwise, short of a trade for a backup, there's not a lot out there in my mind...

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You're misunderstanding me. What I'm saying is, is that his year could have just been a negative fluctuation in regards to his play.

I. Am. So. Confused.

:hehe:

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You're misunderstanding me. What I'm saying is, is that his year could have just been a negative fluctuation in regards to his play.

ohhhh, I get it now, you're saying that his performance as a NHL goaltender last year could just have been an anomaly and does not reflect the constant

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True, true. Also to be noted though, those games were played with the St. Louis Blues. :ph34r:

Just wondering... Who's your backup of choice Crymson?

Chriminik Oshek.

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I. Am. So. Confused.

:hehe:

Steven Wright: I finally got around to reading the dictionary. Turns out the zebra did it.

[the entire audience, except Homer, laughs]

Homer Simpson: I don't get it.

Lisa Simpson: Dad, the zebra didn't do it, it's just a word at the end of the dictionary.

Homer Simpson: I still don't get it.

Lisa Simpson: It's just a joke.

Homer Simpson: Oh, I get it! I get jokes!

:ph34r:

ohhhh, I get it now, you're saying that his performance as a NHL goaltender last year could just have been an anomaly and does not reflect the constant

I'm starting to think you don't even watch hockey.His play last season was not indicative of the skillset that he usually brings to the table and the lackluster numbers tend to reflect the negative play that he had during an off year.

Chriminik Oshek.

Is he a mixture of Christ and Hasek? Or amixture of Crymson and Hasek? Or are they one in the same...:blink:

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