bIueadams 776 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Olli, What are the challenges you're facing now here in Detroit? "Well, the coaches would have to be high not to play me, so really there aren't any. I mean, Dekeyser? Leddy? Come on." A big congrats to Olli - he got the assistant captain sent to the minors after a single practice of displaying his abilities lmao And another congrats to Leddy on his promotion to #1 whipping boy 2 Scott R Lucidi and AtlantaHotWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, bIueadams said: Yzerman just chose a waiver pickup with only 10 games on the season over Dekeyser Welcome this lad The only thing that stopped DK being waived before the season started was the injury to Stecher. Like I said before, the demotion of E was the writing on the wall for DD. He'll probably be called back up after the TDL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 46 minutes ago, marcaractac said: Where have I said anything remotely close to this? Also, huge difference between a good team and a contending team. Close to a good team? Yes. Close to a contender? Not a ******* chance. That is 4-5 years out at best. Temper your expectations. You've mentioned repeatedly that we do not have the cap room to sign free agents, and that you don't want Yzerman to do so. But then in the next breath, you say we're not going to be a contender for another 4-5 years. I don't think you understand that we can't wait until Larkin, Seider, Edvinsson, Vrana, Raymond, and Bertuzzi are taking up 45 million of cap space to bring in a top notch UFA. The smart thing to do is to add 15 million a year in UFA for 7 years while we have all these rookies/sophmores. Then we can shed the cap space with trades after 4-5 years and pay the homegrown talent if they perform. If the Wings have any opportunity to pick up Lindholm and/or Forsberg, they should jump at it. The cap space is there, and both of those guys provide an immediate upgrade for our team. 3 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: The only thing that stopped DK being waived before the season started was the injury to Stecher. Like I said before, the demotion of E was the writing on the wall for DD. He'll probably be called back up after the TDL. DeKeyser has modified his No Movement Clause to "Full Movement Allowed". He stated that he is willing to modify it further to "Please God, Move Me" if and when necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Scott R Lucidi said: You've mentioned repeatedly that we do not have the cap room to sign free agents, and that you don't want Yzerman to do so. But then in the next breath, you say we're not going to be a contender for another 4-5 years. I don't think you understand that we can't wait until Larkin, Seider, Edvinsson, Vrana, Raymond, and Bertuzzi are taking up 45 million of cap space to bring in a top notch UFA. The smart thing to do is to add 15 million a year in UFA for 7 years while we have all these rookies/sophmores. Then we can shed the cap space with trades after 4-5 years and pay the homegrown talent if they perform. If the Wings have any opportunity to pick up Lindholm and/or Forsberg, they should jump at it. The cap space is there, and both of those guys provide an immediate upgrade for our team. SY should only be considering big contracts on positions of need with little in the pipeline to fill. The only position he should even consider a high dollar/ long term contract on is 2C. That's it. We don't need anymore wingers. Seider, Hronek, and Lindstrom will be here for a while and their D partners can be brought up over the next 2-3 seasons. No need to spend big money there either. 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: The only thing that stopped DK being waived before the season started was the injury to Stecher. Like I said before, the demotion of E was the writing on the wall for DD. He'll probably be called back up after the TDL. It's just a business move really. Yzerman knows DK is the one contract that will go unclaimed. Danny knows this as well. He'll certainly get recalled again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: You've mentioned repeatedly that we do not have the cap room to sign free agents, and that you don't want Yzerman to do so. But then in the next breath, you say we're not going to be a contender for another 4-5 years. I don't think you understand that we can't wait until Larkin, Seider, Edvinsson, Vrana, Raymond, and Bertuzzi are taking up 45 million of cap space to bring in a top notch UFA. The smart thing to do is to add 15 million a year in UFA for 7 years while we have all these rookies/sophmores. Then we can shed the cap space with trades after 4-5 years and pay the homegrown talent if they perform. If the Wings have any opportunity to pick up Lindholm and/or Forsberg, they should jump at it. The cap space is there, and both of those guys provide an immediate upgrade for our team. DeKeyser has modified his No Movement Clause to "Full Movement Allowed". He stated that he is willing to modify it further to "Please God, Move Me" if and when necessary. The only team willing to "trade" for him is Grand Rapids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: SY should only be considering big contracts on positions of need with little in the pipeline to fill. The only position he should even consider a high dollar/ long term contract on is 2C. That's it. We don't need anymore wingers. Seider, Hronek, and Lindstrom will be here for a while and their D partners can be brought up over the next 2-3 seasons. No need to spend big money there either. We're fine down the middle, provided that we get a 2RW that's worth a crap. Vrana-Larkin-Raymond Bertuzzi-Veleno-_______ (This guy HAS to be right handed) Zadina-Fabbri-Berggren Smith-Rasmussen-Soderblom Forsberg would be the best fill in the blank. Niederbach up and coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: SY should only be considering big contracts on positions of need with little in the pipeline to fill. The only position he should even consider a high dollar/ long term contract on is 2C. That's it. We don't need anymore wingers. Seider, Hronek, and Lindstrom will be here for a while and their D partners can be brought up over the next 2-3 seasons. No need to spend big money there either. Not only are we going to sign Lindholm, Verbeek is going to trade him to us ahead of the deadline. 1 minute ago, Scott R Lucidi said: We're fine down the middle, provided that we get a 2RW that's worth a crap. Vrana-Larkin-Raymond Bertuzzi-Veleno-_______ (This guy HAS to be right handed) Zadina-Fabbri-Berggren Smith-Rasmussen-Soderblom Forsberg would be the best fill in the blank. Niederbach up and coming. Yup. We need right handed wingers. Zadina is bungus and we're losing Gagner too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) Trocheck Edited March 7, 2022 by Akakabuto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 Bertuzzi - Larkin - Raymond Vrana - Veleno - Forsberg Fabbri - Suter - Zadina Rasmussen - Stephens - Erne Smith Lindholm - Seider Edvinsson - Hronek Juolevi - Lindstrom Oesterle Perfection Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, bIueadams said: Lindholm - Seider Edvinsson - Hronek Juolevi - Lindstrom All euro d-corp! *fap* *fap* *fap* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: All euro d-corp! *fap* *fap* *fap* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 Quote Sources say Yzerman has talked to rival general managers about veteran defensemen with term left on their contracts. Detroit Hockey Now reported Yzerman talked to the Arizona Coyotes about Jakob Chychrun. But the asking price was too high. Red Wings Wrap: GM Yzerman Shopping for Next Season’s Defense? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Scott R Lucidi said: We're fine down the middle, provided that we get a 2RW that's worth a crap. Vrana-Larkin-Raymond Bertuzzi-Veleno-_______ (This guy HAS to be right handed) Zadina-Fabbri-Berggren Smith-Rasmussen-Soderblom Forsberg would be the best fill in the blank. Niederbach up and coming. If your centers are Larkin, Veleno, and Fabbri, you wont get past the 1st round of the playoffs. Veleno is a 3rd liner and Fabbri is better on the wing. Raymond, Bertuzzi, Vrana, and Berggren are the wingers on the top 2 lines. Why would you move players to positions they arent suited for in order to pigeon hole Forsberg into the lineup? How about you play your guys at their best position and then trade for or sign guys to fill the holes left over? 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: Red Wings Wrap: GM Yzerman Shopping for Next Season’s Defense? Chychrun - Yotes - best of the bunch Oleksiak - Krak Heads - overpaid long contract McCabe - Hawks - overpaid Simek - Sharkies - not that great Dillon - Jets - good player and 2 years left Schmidt - Jets - overpaid long contract Left handed guys with term on selling teams I'd go after Dillon and Chychrun. Yotes are shopping Chychrun obviously, and Jets probably want to shed salary going into the summer. Jets paid x2 second round picks for Dillon Yotes are asking for a 1st, a roster player, and a 1st round drafted prospect To ARI: Zadina + Rasmussen + 1st To WPG: our '22 2nd + WSH '22 2nd Sell Leddy and Names each for a 3rd rounder 1st round - no picks 2nd round - no picks 3rd round - 3 picks 4th round - 3 picks 5th round - 1 pick 6th round - no picks 7th round - 1 pick Total = 8 picks We use our glut of 3rds and 4ths to move up into the 2nd round at the draft. Bertuzzi - Larkin - Raymond Vrana - Hertl ($8) - Forsberg ($8) Fabbri - Veleno - Berggren Erne - Suter - Stephens Smith Chychrun - Seider Edvinsson - Hronek Dillon - Lindstrom Juolevi Ned van Pottleberghe ($1) Cap space: $16 million Boom. Cup. Edited March 7, 2022 by bIueadams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 4 hours ago, bIueadams said: Bertuzzi - Larkin - Raymond Vrana - Veleno - Forsberg Fabbri - Suter - Zadina Rasmussen - Stephens - Erne Smith Lindholm - Seider Edvinsson - Hronek Juolevi - Lindstrom Oesterle Perfection Yah, This looks awesome. Add Berggren next to Smith for our 23rd. Soderblom and Niederbach in GR for call ups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: If your centers are Larkin, Veleno, and Fabbri, you wont get past the 1st round of the playoffs. Veleno is a 3rd liner and Fabbri is better on the wing. Raymond, Bertuzzi, Vrana, and Berggren are the wingers on the top 2 lines. Why would you move players to positions they arent suited for in order to pigeon hole Forsberg into the lineup? How about you play your guys at their best position and then trade for or sign guys to fill the holes left over? Want to know why our power play has SUCKED for the last 10 years? Because we have 11 LEFT HANDED FORWARDS. That's why. A good team NEVER has all left handed players. It's ok if your centers are left handed, but that means one of your wingers has to be right handed. When 2 guys get in a 2 on one break, you want to have your left handed guy down the right side and your right handed guy down the left side. That way, they can snap a shot or face the other player and pass to a player that's facing them. When they're both left handed, it's awkward and makes it easier on the defender to get in the way and break up the play. I can't understand for the life of me how the Red Wings and some of the fans don't understand why handedness matters. It seems like they've woken up to its importance on defense, but can't figure out that the offense needs to have it too. You would think that the addition of Lucas Raymond this year would be a 100% EYE OPENER, but I guess not. 1 bIueadams reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 4 hours ago, bIueadams said: Chychrun - Yotes - best of the bunch Oleksiak - Krak Heads - overpaid long contract McCabe - Hawks - overpaid Simek - Sharkies - not that great Dillon - Jets - good player and 2 years left Schmidt - Jets - overpaid long contract Left handed guys with term on selling teams I'd go after Dillon and Chychrun. Yotes are shopping Chychrun obviously, and Jets probably want to shed salary going into the summer. Jets paid x2 second round picks for Dillon Yotes are asking for a 1st, a roster player, and a 1st round drafted prospect To ARI: Zadina + Rasmussen + 1st To WPG: our '22 2nd + WSH '22 2nd Sell Leddy and Names each for a 3rd rounder 1st round - no picks 2nd round - no picks 3rd round - 3 picks 4th round - 3 picks 5th round - 1 pick 6th round - no picks 7th round - 1 pick Total = 8 picks We use our glut of 3rds and 4ths to move up into the 2nd round at the draft. Bertuzzi - Larkin - Raymond Vrana - Hertl ($8) - Forsberg ($8) Fabbri - Veleno - Berggren Erne - Suter - Stephens Smith Chychrun - Seider Edvinsson - Hronek Dillon - Lindstrom Juolevi Ned van Pottleberghe ($1) Cap space: $16 million Boom. Cup. Yzerman is not trading away a 1st and 2 2nds from the same draft. That is exactly the kind of asset management that Holland was doing to extend the playoff streak, and it decimated the prospect pool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Want to know why our power play has SUCKED for the last 10 years? Because we have 11 LEFT HANDED FORWARDS. That's why. A good team NEVER has all left handed players. It's ok if your centers are left handed, but that means one of your wingers has to be right handed. When 2 guys get in a 2 on one break, you want to have your left handed guy down the right side and your right handed guy down the left side. That way, they can snap a shot or face the other player and pass to a player that's facing them. When they're both left handed, it's awkward and makes it easier on the defender to get in the way and break up the play. I can't understand for the life of me how the Red Wings and some of the fans don't understand why handedness matters. It seems like they've woken up to its importance on defense, but can't figure out that the offense needs to have it too. You would think that the addition of Lucas Raymond this year would be a 100% EYE OPENER, but I guess not. I understand the concept. What I don't understand is blowing up your entire roster and having wingers play center in order to fit in one guy on the roster. A guy who is going to get a max deal, and potentially become an albatross contract at a time when Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson will be due for a big payday. And since SY has not added any RH forwards to the top 9, in 3 seasons, I don't think he is all that concerned either. Besides, Rakell and Rust are both better, cheaper options. Edited March 8, 2022 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Yzerman is not trading away a 1st and 2 2nds from the same draft. That is exactly the kind of asset management that Holland was doing to extend the playoff streak, and it decimated the prospect pool. Then only do one of the deals - probably Chychrun 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 6 hours ago, Akakabuto said: Trocheck This. Great option at 2C. Way cheaper than Forsberg, and actually plays a position of need. And RH too. 2 marcaractac and ely s reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 We are NOT cap strapped, and we wont be when Seider gets his 8/8 contract either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 1 minute ago, bIueadams said: Then only do one of the deals - probably Chychrun Too much to give up. Chances are, we have guys as good, or better, coming up. Why trade for what you already have? 2 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: We are NOT cap strapped, and we wont be when Seider gets his 8/8 contract either. Larkin? Raymond? Edvinsson? Bertuzzi? Vrana? Berggren? Who are you willing to give up for a 30 something Forsberg? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Too much to give up. Chances are, we have guys as good, or better, coming up. Why trade for what you already have? Larkin? Raymond? Edvinsson? Bertuzzi? Vrana? Berggren? Who are you willing to give up for a 30 something Forsberg? Larkin - 8 Raymond - 5.5 Edvinsson - could be gone, could be 8 Bertuzzi - could be gone, could be 5.5 Vrana -could be gone, could be 5.5 Cap will be 90 - 100 mil in 5 years. League just announced it is coming out of unsustainability next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted March 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Too much to give up. Chances are, we have guys as good, or better, coming up. Why trade for what you already have? Read the article. SY wants immediate help on the blue line, exploring trades for Dmen with term. We've seen how good Chychrun can be. He's extremely young and on a very friendly contract. That will cost us. Let's send them: Zadina + Ras + McIssac + Viro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
