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#1 Lonewuhf

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:42 PM

I'm getting so damn tired of seeing fights after clean hits. It seems goons are taking over this game in a bad way...



I think this looks clean to me, the announcers seem like morons...

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:15 AM

Burrows is anything but a goon. He's a spot-picking rat. Had a "goon" been on the ice, I doubt Burrows goes after Kopitar.

But yes, the rough stuff after clean hits is annoying as hell. In essence, it deters hitting.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:02 AM

The anouncers were the worst part... its like they describe a narrative that isn't actually happening.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:11 AM

The rough stuff after a clean hit is fine...and often necessary.

You have to let the other team know know that if they do that stuff, they are going to have to answer for it.
Clean hit or not, you don't want the other team thinking they can dish out hard hits all game long without repercussion...so next time, maybe they think twice about dishing out a hard hit.

It's all about team toughness and sticking up for your teammates.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:22 AM

The rough stuff after a clean hit is fine...and often necessary.

You have to let the other team know know that if they do that stuff, they are going to have to answer for it.
Clean hit or not, you don't want the other team thinking they can dish out hard hits all game long without repercussion...so next time, maybe they think twice about dishing out a hard hit.

It's all about team toughness and sticking up for your teammates.


Yeah there's a line to be crossed with it. In essence, you're wording it like people need to fight after every big hit and it shouldn't be the case. Welcome to hockey, you should probably know when a big hit is coming due to the fact that it normally falls upon YOU as the reason why it happened. Rookie mistakes happen and normally lead into big powerful hits because at this level people know when they can exploit your mistake. Thinking that every time someone pays for their mistake a teammate has to stick up for them is beyond the wrong mindframe to be at with hockey. If anything, you should be answering your own bell because it was your damn fault. Now if you see your teammate just getting ran over for no good reason, yeah sticking up for your buddy is fine. But we need to get this "you just hit me, LETS FIGHT" mindframe out of this new generation of hockey lovers. Trust me, the sport did good things without all this bulls***.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:23 AM

I love it when somebody gets Kronwalled and we also get a PP out of it.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:28 AM

Well they certainly can't get him for charging, no strides into the hit perfectly glided and feet kept on the ice. The hit wasn't necessary but it was clean. Shoulder into chest and just exploded energy. The worst part happened when Sedins head hit the ice upon second impact, which can knock you out pretty damn good (i've got experience :P).

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:04 AM

Burrows is anything but a goon. He's a spot-picking rat. Had a "goon" been on the ice, I doubt Burrows goes after Kopitar.

But yes, the rough stuff after clean hits is annoying as hell. In essence, it deters hitting.

That's exactly the point. When someone on your team gets hit hard....clean or not, you want to send a message that they will need to pay whenever they do that.....try to deter hitting the future, that's exactly what they are trying to accomplish. To be honest, I'd be unhappy if my team didn't respond to hard hits, you have to show that you won't get pushed around.

Another thing to think about....I bet that hit isn't made of it wasn't Sedin...they target star players and try to punish them, you need to respond. If the hit is dirty, the response would be a lot more violent.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:07 AM

Jim Hughson is such a Canucks homer, it's not even funny.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:40 AM

That's exactly the point. When someone on your team gets hit hard....clean or not, you want to send a message that they will need to pay whenever they do that.....try to deter hitting the future, that's exactly what they are trying to accomplish. To be honest, I'd be unhappy if my team didn't respond to hard hits, you have to show that you won't get pushed around.

Another thing to think about....I bet that hit isn't made of it wasn't Sedin...they target star players and try to punish them, you need to respond. If the hit is dirty, the response would be a lot more violent.




I passionately disagree with this. What, so a guy makes a body check or hip check, and then he should be ready to get punched in the face for making a HOCKEY play?
I was always told if someone made a clean hit, line him up for a clean one of your own.

Is this the kind of stuff you want to see?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNFuD0fBt50

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:41 AM

Bieksa had a pretty nice hit on Brown not to long after the altercation, and that's all that should happen. It should be, if you hit our guy hard, we're going to hit you hard. Not, if you hit our guy hard, we're going to try to punch your face in.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

I have no problem with a player being challenged after a hard clean hit, but I don't agree with the hitter being jumped.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:56 AM

The rough stuff after a clean hit is fine...and often necessary.

You have to let the other team know know that if they do that stuff, they are going to have to answer for it.
Clean hit or not, you don't want the other team thinking they can dish out hard hits all game long without repercussion...so next time, maybe they think twice about dishing out a hard hit.

It's all about team toughness and sticking up for your teammates.


How about hitting them with a clean hit of your own. I think the idea that hitters have to be fighters, some are but some aren't and that is fine, they are different roles. I think it is reasonable to think that if you lay down a good clean hit you better keep your head up and be ultra-aware that the other team is going to be going out of their way to lay a couple of good clean hard hits on you. I don't think however that it is reasonable to think that any time you lay a good clean hit on a guy you have to fight some 4th liner who is on the team primarily as a fighter. Kronner for example is not a fighter and shouldn't get into fights with any heavy weights (or even middle weights for that matter) and is a great Dman hitting aside. He shouldn't be lost for 5 minutes each time he lays a good clean hit.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

haha, horrible announcing....."He turned right into an elbow"....that was not an elbow at all

"not only that, but his head hit the ice!"..........no...it didn't.**edit** i guess he's talking more about the "snapping back" motion...

Edited by markaswell, 16 April 2012 - 11:10 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:15 AM

Burrows is anything but a goon. He's a spot-picking rat. Had a "goon" been on the ice, I doubt Burrows goes after Kopitar.

But yes, the rough stuff after clean hits is annoying as hell. In essence, it deters hitting.

This.

People complain about the league trying to take hitting out of the game, but fighting after clean hits is trying to eliminate it just as much, if not more.

And I don't care what people claim, it has not always been this way. There was more fighting in general in the 80s and 90s but if a guy got crushed with a good clean hit, his teammates took a number and would get him with a hit later. Or they'd start trying to hit the other teams star player. But there wasn't this throwing off the gloves and jumping a guy just because he hit your teammate hard.

The league needs to crack down. Not only to keep hitting in the game, but part of the advantage of a huge hit is it separates a player from the puck and takes him out of the play. The team throwing the hit often doesn't get that advantage because of the ensuing mugging by his teammates.

Hockey is a tough sport. Don't want to get hit? Keep your head up.

The rough stuff after a clean hit is fine...and often necessary.

You have to let the other team know know that if they do that stuff, they are going to have to answer for it.
Clean hit or not, you don't want the other team thinking they can dish out hard hits all game long without repercussion...so next time, maybe they think twice about dishing out a hard hit.

It's all about team toughness and sticking up for your teammates.

By "do that stuff" you basically mean "play hockey."

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:29 AM

I dont want to see a fight after every clean hit or most of them, but if your star player gets crushed, or a guy just returning from injury, I dont mind seeing it. Fighting after a clean hit should be limited to a few situations, not every single time it occurs. If you see one of your teammates get hit cleanly and injured youd have a hard time finding many hockey players who wouldnt try to rough up the opponent or drop the gloves.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:33 AM

If you go after a team's scorers/stars then in some way you have to let the other team know you won't accept that.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:49 AM

If you go after a team's scorers/stars then in some way you have to let the other team know you won't accept that.

Exactly. And that part has always been. Take a run at Yzerman and you'd be having a conversation with Probert.

But star players aside, guys were expected to handle a big legal hit. It's part of the game. A great part.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:58 AM

Negged when a lot of people in here agree with me, gotta love these forums.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:59 AM

I passionately disagree with this. What, so a guy makes a body check or hip check, and then he should be ready to get punched in the face for making a HOCKEY play?
I was always told if someone made a clean hit, line him up for a clean one of your own.

Is this the kind of stuff you want to see?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNFuD0fBt50

No, that's not what I want to see. The Schenn hit was no clean though....he travelled a long distance and jumped into the hit....not suspension worthy or anything because it wasn't a head shot, but it wasn't clean either.

I liked the response by Asham to come over and do "something", but what he did was boneheaded and hurt his team rather than help. If he had come over and roughed him up a bit, that may have helped his team.





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