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Calle Jarnkrok - Does he have a chance to make next season's team?

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I don't think Mr. Phoenix will be going anywhere unless the Coyotes don't have enough money to pay him a reasonable salary.

Agreed. Phoenix is starting to have some playoff success which Doan has waiting his whole career to get. He is not going anywhere at this point of his career.

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That's completely true, however the final two could end up being Ville Leino part duex as well. If you'll recall he was pretty highly touted and largely effective at the AHL level as well. Guys like him are the exact reason why I prefer Holland's "seasoning" approach to prospect development.

I don't think there's much comparison to Leino, he was older and undrafted. Completely different situation than both Tatar and Järnkrok. And Leino's problems seem to be more about attitude than actual skill, as evidenced by his exceptional playoff run with Philly. Hard to say why he doesn't always play like that.

But of course there is always reason to keep your expectations in check when it comes to a prospect that is untested at the NHL level. Atleast we get to see both Tatar and Järnkrok at the World Championships.

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Whoa, talk about a soft line: Tatar-Jarnkrok-Nyquist over Cleary-Abdelkader-Bertuzzi? Really? REALLY?

I really hope Kenny Holland doesn't decide to go the way the Oilers decided to go... winning is much more fun.

Winning is fun yes. It's also fun watching a line that does something creative with the puck, not just gain the blue line and go logo hunting. Bertuzzi's not as bad, but Cleary and Abdelkader do the same thing virtually every time they cross the blue line. Nyquist is creative, fast, and can dangle. Jarnkrok is supposed to be pretty fast also and one hell of a 2-way fwd that plays a Z like style and Tatar is a skilled gritty forward that's twice as fast as Hudler. So yes, I'd rather see a young potential scoring line get a shot and some real ice time over the usual 3rd line of plugs we've been frustrated with for a few years that's a few years older.

And at Drake Marcus, I really hope you weren't referring to me as a troll cause I give in depth detail to any post I make that is questioned and am far from a troll. There's my argument for a young trio that could probably put up 50 pts each on the 3rd line and make your beloved Hudler obsolete. Later.

This would be terrible. We're gonna have a 3rd line of 21 year old Europeans, one of which isnt even sued to the North American style of play and the tallest is a whopping 5'11. Those kids would get eaten alive, wouldnt even get near a goalie and would have their confidence ruined

I see Z also has that problem at 5"11. and Briere and St. Louis are getting killed too at 5"8... And those guys play in adult leagues, not Jr. They haven't been getting eaten alive at all. They're all actually doing quite well.

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Obviously it's a stupid idea to throw 3 fairly small rookies together and it won't happen like that, but you're selling those guys a bit short.

I mean, Nyquist IS an NHL player. No doubt. Eaten alive? In my mind the question is who will he play with next season, Zetterberg or Datsyuk.

How Järnkrok will adjust to the North-American game is anyone's guess, but many european players have said going to smaller rinks is actually easier, and adjusting back to bigger rinks again is a challenge. Järnkrok looked great in an exhibition game against the US today, against mostly NHL players on the US team. Maybe doesn't say much but the kid is skilled and I won't be surprised if come training camp most of LGW is demanding he gets a roster spot.

Tatar I'm most unsure about, but we have seen him in the NHL and he didn't embarress himself.

And, on paper, those 3 guys looks like a really fun combination of speed, skill and scoring. Maybe they won't be a line next year, but hey... maybe they're our 1st line 5 years from now?? :P

I'm most unsure about Tatar too. I just ran with the proposal that originally came from someone else. Personally I'd rather see Nyquist-Jarnkrok-Andersson. Andersson's a big mother with grit and speed that can do damage on the forecheck and would open up a lot of space for Gus and Ironhook to do their thing. Just my 2 cents, but I for one think that the Wings have some highly talented players in their system and i'd also like to see Mrazek sign with the Griffins soon and get Marek Tvrdon there as well, cause after the WJC, he looked to be along with Jarnkrok one of the prospects whose game was mature enough to advance quickly towards the NHL.

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I don't think there's much comparison to Leino, he was older and undrafted. Completely different situation than both Tatar and Järnkrok. And Leino's problems seem to be more about attitude than actual skill, as evidenced by his exceptional playoff run with Philly. Hard to say why he doesn't always play like that.

But of course there is always reason to keep your expectations in check when it comes to a prospect that is untested at the NHL level. Atleast we get to see both Tatar and Järnkrok at the World Championships.

It's only comparable with Leino in that he was tearing up the AHL and was the best player that Babcock said he ever sent back to the minors. You're right though, it is his attitude that holds him back, but you never know what attitude these young guys are going to have, that's why I say keep them in the minors until you're sure they've got the system internalized and are willing to buy in. I think Nyquist does based on his play this year, but who knows with guys like Jarnkrok that we haven't even seen in our system yet.

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I'm not even sure how much consideration they gave to Nyquist or how much consideration Nyquist gave to playing for the WC.

Nyquist went to the US to play College hockey as soon as he was eligible instead of staying in Sweden. Many WC teams tend to remember those perceived slights to the country's national hockey program. Obviously for NHL stars all is forgiven, but they guys who are on the fringe this kind of thing makes a difference. A guy like Jarnkrok who stayed in Sweden well after the draft are seen in a more positive light comparatively speaking. It's a national hockey program loyalty thing.

This would be terrible. We're gonna have a 3rd line of 21 year old Europeans, one of which isnt even sued to the North American style of play and the tallest is a whopping 5'11. Those kids would get eaten alive, wouldnt even get near a goalie and would have their confidence ruined

Which of the three guys isn't suited to the NA style? Tatar and Nyquist have thrived in North America for years and Jarnkrok is a well-rounded player who hasn't had a shot to play NA hockey yet.

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And at Drake Marcus, I really hope you weren't referring to me as a troll cause I give in depth detail to any post I make that is questioned and am far from a troll. There's my argument for a young trio that could probably put up 50 pts each on the 3rd line and make your beloved Hudler obsolete. Later.

:lol:

A) I wrote "obvious troll is obvious" under a direct quote by Heaten. Are you Heaten as well?

B) Hudler's not beloved by me. I just don't have a hate-boner for him like half the of the guys around here..

C) I've been posting about prospects early and often around here. I follow players in detail from the moment the Wings draft them (up to and including watching streams of relevant JR, college and AHL games when my workload at school is light enough). Don't even bother picking a prospect fight with me unless it's about someone who isn't property of the Wings.

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A) I wrote "obvious troll is obvious" under a direct quote by Heaten. Are you Heaten as well?

B) Hudler's not beloved by me. I just don't have a hate-boner for him like half the of the guys around here..

C) I've been posting about prospects early and often around here. I follow players in detail from the moment the Wings draft them (up to and including watching streams of relevant JR, college and AHL games when my workload at school is light enough). Don't even bother picking a prospect fight with me unless it's about someone who isn't property of the Wings.

A) i thought you were talking about the post Heaten was referring to, which was mine

B) Hudler is very replaceable and his slowness and lack of ability to be effective on the forecheck bothers me every time he gets on the ice.

C) i am in no way getting into a prospect fight with you. you're actually one of the guys on here who has a lot of detailed good information and researched as well, so i respect your posting. i also do a lot of research on players and watch probably over 500 games a year between NHL reg season, playoffs, WJC, memorial cup, AHL, CHL and i even got to watch some DEL while in Germany for a month, so i know quite a bit about a lot of prospects for every team, but keep my homerism for the Wings prospects but judge them the hardest, hence Nestrasil sucks. :D

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Nyquist went to the US to play College hockey as soon as he was eligible instead of staying in Sweden. Many WC teams tend to remember those perceived slights to the country's national hockey program. Obviously for NHL stars all is forgiven, but they guys who are on the fringe this kind of thing makes a difference. A guy like Jarnkrok who stayed in Sweden well after the draft are seen in a more positive light comparatively speaking. It's a national hockey program loyalty thing.

Yeah I can see that but did Nyquist even throw his hat into the ring for a shot at the national team? I mean, sure, it's every kid's dream growing up in Sweden but I just wonder if he really had other plans.

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He will get a good look if he comes to training camp, but he is probably one season away. He's good enough now, but let him be THE man in the SEL for one season.

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Jarnkrok was 14th in the Elitserien in scoring with 16 goals, 23 assists, 39 points in 50 games. I also am pretty sure that the Euro leagues don't award 2nd assists on goals, so his NHL equivalent point total could be a point per game or more. He also finished 5th in the league in playoff scoring with 4 goals, 12 assists, 16 points in 16 games and was a whopping +13.

The potential is definitely there. When is the next Sweden game scheduled for in the WC?

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To me, there is next to no chance Jarnkrok will be with the Wings next season. I dont see the need to rush him. That being said, I think the WC will go a long way in determining the timing and possible progression for him. The WC can really help young, emergin players develop. Also, if Jarnkrok gets regular playing time he may see some ice time with Zetterberg, Franzen etc.

If Jarnkrok has a solid WC and a nice showing at camp then you never know. I just dont think there will be the roster space next fall.

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I see Z also has that problem at 5"11. and Briere and St. Louis are getting killed too at 5"8... And those guys play in adult leagues, not Jr. They haven't been getting eaten alive at all. They're all actually doing quite well.

Do you not see a difference in Zetterberg coming over and playing third line minutes with a team full of vets and him being pretty much the only rookie, compared to three rookies, none of which have even have like 25 games played in the NHL, and being all thrown onto the same line all as rookies?

Theyre all tiny, one has never played North American hockey and none of them are a Brenden Morrow type player at least hes small but he plays big. All of those guys you can tell their size and they would get killed out there. I'm in no way against having a rookie or two on the team, put Nyquist up with Datsyuk and maybe even have Jarnkrok center the third line with Bertuzzi and Cleary or someone else but the notion that a bunch of unproven prospects can step in as rookies and all produce 50 points is down right stupid and a terrible idea.

A line of all 5'11 players alone is pretty ridiculous, let alone 3 guys under the age of 21. What would have happened to that line against Nashville in the playoffs?

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Do you not see a difference in Zetterberg coming over and playing third line minutes with a team full of vets and him being pretty much the only rookie, compared to three rookies, none of which have even have like 25 games played in the NHL, and being all thrown onto the same line all as rookies?

Theyre all tiny, one has never played North American hockey and none of them are a Brenden Morrow type player at least hes small but he plays big. All of those guys you can tell their size and they would get killed out there. I'm in no way against having a rookie or two on the team, put Nyquist up with Datsyuk and maybe even have Jarnkrok center the third line with Bertuzzi and Cleary or someone else but the notion that a bunch of unproven prospects can step in as rookies and all produce 50 points is down right stupid and a terrible idea.

A line of all 5'11 players alone is pretty ridiculous, let alone 3 guys under the age of 21. What would have happened to that line against Nashville in the playoffs?

Honestly, I'd rather spread the rookies out in the line up like you mentioned, but to the last question about what would happen to that line against Nashville...I almost puked watching the Wings play in the playoffs this year. They were slow as hell and there was no creativity. The kid line would have energy to spare and Gus for sure is very quick and very creative. If he wasn't playing with Emmerton and Homer, he could have done a lot more for the team aside other higher skilled players. I'm not saying it be all end all with our prospects, but it's admittedly getting very boring watching the Wings do the same uneffective s*** game after game and rely on 10 shootout wins to keep pace to make the playoffs. The Wings need to add youth and if it means having even Smith, Nyquist and Jarnkrok which are 3 very good players and letting a couple old guys retire or sign elsewhere to make the team better in the longrun, then so be it. The most exciting team in the NHL currently is the Flyers. 7 rookies in the line up. they're young and fast.

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Size is overrated. Heart, skill, and hockey IQ are more important. Stevie Y was tiny, Selanne, and a whole slew of other players enter the league every season smaller than Iron Hook and they fair just well. I know it's a plus to be big when you enter the league, but it's not the advantage in today's NHL as it was back in the late 80s and 90s. There are many a players who are big that enter the league that are just that, and nothing more, but pylons. Iron Hook, the Sauce, and Gus will all be fine if they played 10-13 minutes a night next season and beyond.

Jarnkrok looks to be at least the third line center for the Swedish team this year with a good chance of being the second line center.

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Sweden's lineup against Norway Friday (Aftonbladet, Swedish paper):

Franzén, Zetterberg, Loui Eriksson

Stålberg, Krüger, Alfredsson

Landeskog, Järnkrok, Silfverberg

Niklas Persson (KHL), Joel Lundqvist, Fredrik Pettersson (SEL)

Defense: (No info about the pairings)

Niklas Kronwall, Jonathan Ericsson, Jonas Brodin, Mattias Ekholm, Niklas Hjalmarsson, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Staffan Kronwall

Goalie:

(My prediction): Viktor Fasth (Anaheim next season)

Edited by Wingscup

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Sweden's lineup against Norway Friday (Aftonbladet, Swedish paper):

Franzén, Zetterberg, Loui Eriksson

Stålberg, Krüger, Alfredsson

Landeskog, Järnkrok, Silfverberg

Niklas Persson (KHL), Joel Lundqvist, Fredrik Pettersson (SEL)

Defense: (No info about the pairings)

Niklas Kronwall, Jonathan Ericsson, Jonas Brodin, Mattias Ekholm, Niklas Hjalmarsson, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Staffan Kronwall

Goalie:

(My prediction): Viktor Fasth (Anaheim next season)

Hell yeah! That line's gonna be great.

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The center depth in a few years might be quite awesome.

Zetterberg/Datsyuk

Filppula/Jarnkrok

Helm/Abdelkader

Andersson/Sheahan/Aubry

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Size is overrated. Heart, skill, and hockey IQ are more important. Stevie Y was tiny, Selanne, and a whole slew of other players enter the league every season smaller than Iron Hook and they fair just well. I know it's a plus to be big when you enter the league, but it's not the advantage in today's NHL as it was back in the late 80s and 90s. There are many a players who are big that enter the league that are just that, and nothing more, but pylons. Iron Hook, the Sauce, and Gus will all be fine if they played 10-13 minutes a night next season and beyond.

Jarnkrok looks to be at least the third line center for the Swedish team this year with a good chance of being the second line center.

Yzerman was a third overall pick though, his skill was through the roof, Selanne also a high pick. Size is definitely not overrated, and the wings have started drafting more size because the lack of it is hurting.

I think Jarkrok would probably fair well, although he is a diver and a whiner right now, but not with 2 other rookies that are his size or smaller. The skill is important and he has it in spades, and even if you dont value size, its not that a line of Jarnkrok, Nyquist, Tatar would be small. But I would bet height and weight wise it would be the smallest in the league by a fair margin.

They need balance.

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Yzerman was a third overall pick though, his skill was through the roof, Selanne also a high pick. Size is definitely not overrated, and the wings have started drafting more size because the lack of it is hurting.

I think Jarkrok would probably fair well, although he is a diver and a whiner right now, but not with 2 other rookies that are his size or smaller. The skill is important and he has it in spades, and even if you dont value size, its not that a line of Jarnkrok, Nyquist, Tatar would be small. But I would bet height and weight wise it would be the smallest in the league by a fair margin.

They need balance.

Size is important whether it's for the forwards or the dmen but it's far more important to have dmen with size as seen in these playoffs. You need dmen who can block shots and take hits.

But if we're going to worry about size, then based on some of the notoriously bigger teams, size becomes a little less important when it comes to the forwards. What seems to be more important up front is a combination of good speed, work ethic and hockey sense. And yeah, you want some bulk so you throw a significant hit and take a significant hit to make a play.

A lot of the guys on these teams are about 6'0 and 200 lbs. It'd be great if the Wings could get just a little bit bigger with their depth. As far as guys who are at least 6'2 and 220, the Wings have about three and that amount is nearly as much if not actually as much of an amount in comparison to the notoriously bigger teams. The Wings just have a bunch of guys who are 5'10-5'11 and 190 lbs that they perhaps need to upgrade just a little.

I'm just saying that they don't have to search for a bunch of Gaustads to remain competitive in terms of size. Ideally if their main concern was getting bigger then they would acquire one Gaustad and beef up a couple of the other depth guys by one inch and ten pounds and then they'd be around the ballpark of the notoriously bigger teams. And these guys aren't too expensive. The Wings are a smaller team for sure, but it's not AS bad as one might think.

I'm starting to get on board with that idea just because I'm definitely more tired of the guys who are too slow to keep up than the guys who are too small.

Edited by Red Wings Addict

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Hmm...

Parise-Datsyuk-Cleary

Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen

Andersson-Jarnkrok-NyquistAbdelkader-Helm-Mursak

That's the 3rd line I mentioned on the 2nd page somewhere when i replaced Tatar with Andersson and some of the other guys still blasted me....so I like your 3rd line, looks young and healthy.

Now if we could only replace Franzen with someone who cares. The Wings need a guy in that 2nd line spot that's right handed and has a similar play style to Dustin Brown/Ryan Callahan. If only we had a first round pick to go after one of the prospects with the 18th or so overall pick.

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That's the 3rd line I mentioned on the 2nd page somewhere when i replaced Tatar with Andersson and some of the other guys still blasted me....so I like your 3rd line, looks young and healthy.

Well I kind of went with players who should be signed/players with no waiver options. If Jarnkrok is good enough to center the third line and Nyquist is one winger then I would hope for a better winger than Andersson for sure in more ideal world. Someone with better speed and finishing ability for sure because Andersson is arguably below average in those areas at the NHL level.

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He had 1 assist in his first WC game against Norway.

But apparently...

Jarnkrok, who the Red Wings selected in the second round (51st overall) of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, is expected to play next season with Detroit's top farm club in Grand Rapids. He has played in Sweden the last three seasons.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2012/05/red_wings_jimmy_howard_backsto.html

Hmm... Just Khan being careless or does he know something that we don't?

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In Babcock's interview with Fox Sports Detroit he said that he doesn't expect any prospects but Nyquist or Smith to crack the roster next year.

He acknowledged that Jarnkrok is an elite talent but said that most draftee's take about 5-7 years to develop. I think he'll start in Grand Rapids for sure but he can play his way into the line-up if he keeps improving like he has.

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