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Poll: New CBA

Regardless of who is at fault, do you think they will lock us out when the new CBA expires if there is a significnt revenue decline when they unlock the doors?

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#1 Johnz96

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:34 PM

Every time the CBA has expired there has been a lockout. What happens when the new CBA expires?

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 05:52 PM

What new CBA? I know what you mean, but after last night, I'm jaded.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 05:58 PM

I voted yes, simply because since I started watching hockey that's how it's been handled. I'd love to be proven wrong.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:10 PM

This is the NHL we're talkin' about. Logic and reason is undefined.

Edited by irishock, 07 December 2012 - 06:11 PM.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:37 PM

There are several ways to prevent a lock-out at the end of the next CBA.

Off the top of my head:
Global nuclear disaster
Alien invasion
Obliteration of the earth by meteorite
The Second Coming of Christ
Global warming to the point that ice is non-existant
Maple Leafs win the Cup (c.f. Signs of the Apocalypse)

However, if the earth is still present, rotating, and inhabited, the only thing that would prevent a lockout is intelligent leadership by hockey-loving professionals who care about the game and are willing to work together for the good of it.

Personally, I think the imminent Invasion of the Mayan Lizard Aliens is more likely.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:04 PM

If Bettman is still commissioner, yes. Losing the entire season in 2005 didn't change his negotiating style, why would this lockout?

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:49 PM

If Bettman is still commissioner, yes. Losing the entire season in 2005 didn't change his negotiating style, why would this lockout?

Personally I think that if there is a significant decline in revenue, Bettman won't be around at the end of the new CBA. The owners are counting on him being right that the fans love the game too much and will be right back again like the previous times. But i think the fans are angrier this time (3x in a row!!!) this time and the economy isn't as strong.
It would be a great marketing move by the NHL to fire him as an appeasement to fans.
And I would finally be able to buy a Red Wings' Konstantinov sweater..
I ordered a CSKA Datsyuk sweater from Lutch (official manufactrer's of the KHL) a few weeks ago. It was only $85.00
I thought every body would answer no to the Poll question but I guess you're right the things they do just don't make sense and for the same reason Bettman might not get fired if there is significant revewnue decline but all we can do is try and both scenarios are much more likely if we do. We have to be vigilant.
He is the worst thing to ever happen to the game of hockey
So many fans are frustrated and outraged because we are powerless in this whole labor dispute and rightfully so considering we are the source of the HRR they are fighting over.
I see so many people starting petitions and protests (and from the start I kept telling everyone that they are useless they don't care about us) to no avail.
Fans venting their frustrations arguing with each over who is at fault.
They have done this every time the CBA has expired.
Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about this season.
But we can make sure they don't do it again when the new CBA expires.

If Bettman is still commissioner, yes. Losing the entire season in 2005 didn't change his negotiating style, why would this lockout?

We came back in record numbers last time, I think that has made Bettman and the owners even more cocky and confident about winning this thing, They think we love the game too much to stay away. I love the game too much to come back until he is fired, I just wish that there were more fans that loved it as much as I do. We have to make sacrifices for greater gains.

Edited by Johnz96, 07 December 2012 - 07:46 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:07 PM

Headline is a bit misleading
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:29 PM

I don't think they'd lock out at the next expiration of the CBA because the NHL cannot afford to, reputation-wise and fan-wise. If, by some form of insanity that Bettman is still in charge, I just don't think he can risk a 4th lockout. The NHL cannot take another black eye and fans can only put up with so much (as was the case on the previous 3 lockouts). I'm realistic about future CBA's, but I hope both sides approve the next CBA framework a year prior to avoid this very situation.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:34 PM

Headline is a bit misleading

Yeah sorry, I thought so too and tried to edit right after posting it but didn't know how to edit the title. I was gonna change it to What Happens When When the New CBA Expires?
Would be great if a moderator could do it please.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:44 PM

I don't think they'd lock out at the next expiration of the CBA because the NHL cannot afford to, reputation-wise and fan-wise. If, by some form of insanity that Bettman is still in charge, I just don't think he can risk a 4th lockout. The NHL cannot take another black eye and fans can only put up with so much (as was the case on the previous 3 lockouts). I'm realistic about future CBA's, but I hope both sides approve the next CBA framework a year prior to avoid this very situation.

But that's what everybody said last time and we came back in record numbers. We missed it and they knew(know?) it and needed our fix
I think we as fans and customers should show them that we don't appreciate the lockouts and ensure that they don't do it again next time by the only means that they will actually care.
If we come back and there isn't a significant drop in revenues, he will still be in charge.

By the way I noticed you're from Grand Rapids. The Griffs totally dominated tonight a 3-0 win but the score was not indicative of just how dominating they were

Edited by Johnz96, 07 December 2012 - 11:52 PM.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:20 AM

However, if the earth is still present, rotating, and inhabited, the only thing that would prevent a lockout is intelligent leadership by hockey-loving professionals who care about the game and are willing to work together for the good of it.


we need people who loved the game growing up, not basketball and baseball lawyers


If Bettman is still commissioner, yes. Losing the entire season in 2005 didn't change his negotiating style, why would this lockout?


and if fehr is still head of the pa, you can be sure that there will be another lockout. i think this latest blow up in talks really showed how the owners truly hate fehr. both need to go or else another lockout is guaranteed.

We came back in record numbers last time, I think that has made Bettman and the owners even more cocky and confident about winning this thing

the same exact thing can be said about the players.

I don't think they'd lock out at the next expiration of the CBA because the NHL cannot afford to, reputation-wise and fan-wise. If, by some form of insanity that Bettman is still in charge, I just don't think he can risk a 4th lockout. The NHL cannot take another black eye and fans can only put up with so much (as was the case on the previous 3 lockouts). I'm realistic about future CBA's, but I hope both sides approve the next CBA framework a year prior to avoid this very situation.


they can't even figure out how to get a new cba after record revenues. i can't even imagine what would happen if there is declining revenue coming off the new cba

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:36 AM

If the lockout master is still around, I'm sure he could accomplish number four.
 
 
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:37 AM

By the way I noticed you're from Grand Rapids. The Griffs totally dominated tonight a 3-0 win but the score was not indicative of just how dominating they were


Nice. The Griffins are tearing it up after such a terrible start (1-5) and then an 8 game win streak.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:07 AM

Regardless of whether revenues go up or down, there will be a lockout. Revenues go up - owners want more of an even bigger cake. Revenues go down, owners want more of the cake so their total profit doesn't go down.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:54 AM

But that's what everybody said last time and we came back in record numbers. We missed it and they knew(know?) it and needed our fix
I think we as fans and customers should show them that we don't appreciate the lockouts and ensure that they don't do it again next time by the only means that they will actually care.
If we come back and there isn't a significant drop in revenues, he will still be in charge.

By the way I noticed you're from Grand Rapids. The Griffs totally dominated tonight a 3-0 win but the score was not indicative of just how dominating they were


Exactly the point, as long as the same old bastards are being in charge and running the stupid BOG there will be another lockout. Some of the owners are a greedy as hell bunch, they will always ask for more. Want evidence for that?

PA agreed to a split and then the NHL created their ridiculous contract restrictions, they are nev er happy and will lose every tactic to get their will.

So unless the NHL is seeing a huge drop in revenue and half empty arenas, they are going the lockout street every 5 years.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:47 AM

There is no evidence that there would not be lockout, after lockout, after lockout with the signing of the next Collective Bargaining Agreement. He is of the firm belief that the lockout is a better tool than traditional bargaining. It's part of Uncle Gary's psyche, his "Napoleon complex" if you will.
Fun fact, for those who say that Mr. Fehr is the reason for this most recent lockout: he wasn't head of the NHLPA for the first two lockouts.
Put the blame at the feat of the little of person who turns the lockout key.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

If Bettman and or Fehr are still around you can bet there will be another....and another....and another.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:49 AM

The commissioner has no understanding of what it means to be a hockey fan. If he did, he would show some sort of understanding for the fans after not only one, but potentially two seasons go down the drain. Nothing will change if he is still in place when the next CBA expires.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:23 PM

There is no evidence that there would not be lockout, after lockout, after lockout with the signing of the next Collective Bargaining Agreement. He is of the firm belief that the lockout is a better tool than traditional bargaining. It's part of Uncle Gary's psyche, his "Napoleon complex" if you will.
Fun fact, for those who say that Mr. Fehr is the reason for this most recent lockout: he wasn't head of the NHLPA for the first two lockouts.
Put the blame at the feat of the little of person who turns the lockout key.

Let's get that pariah out of our sport





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