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#41 shoobiedoobin

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

This. It's mind boggling that people think Cooke did this on purpose.

I find it mind boggling as well that some people are convinced it's not possible.



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:50 PM

s dirty as cooke is that was not intentional.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:16 PM

Everyone in the hockey world outside of the Sens organization don't think this was a big deal at all....fluke accident.  TSN even showed clips of the same play happening a few times in the first few minutes of other games (LAST NIGHT).  It happens multiple times in every game.  This was a fluke.

 

We are talking about it because it's Matt Cooke.  He has changed his game and has tried to get away from the stuff he's done in the past, but he'll never be able to shake the reputation of his past behaviour...that's life.

 

Someone mentioned that Crosby might take cheap shots because of this.  I think there is some truth to that.  Not from the rest of the league, but maybe the next time they play the Sens (he may get heat because of other stuff Cooke does though).  He was a target for a few of the Sens late in the game though.  I wasn't sure if that was based on regular game plan against him or if it was because of what Cooke did to their star player.

 

If I'm the Pens though, I'd be very cautious and watching out for someone taking a run at Crosby the next game.  If this incident was Cooke against a scrub, I don't think you'd see that, but since Cooke ended up taking out their best player and arguably one of the best in the league, I think they might think a little about targeting Crosby.



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

 
This. It's mind boggling that people think Cooke did this on purpose.


Not really. People believe what they want to believe. Matt Cooke is a piece of s*** and is hated by many people, and for good reason. For many people, he's lost the benefit of the doubt. Is it fair? Probably not. Do I care? No, f*** Cooke. I said it once and I'll say it again. He never should have been in that position because he shouldn't be in the league.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:20 PM

Normal play with a bad result. You teach kids to pin players to the boards like this in pee wee. In fact it used to be one of the recommended techniques by USAHockey.



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

After watching the video MANY times and knowing checks like this happen all the time, Cooke stomped the back of Karlsson's ankle with his skate.  I think it's pretty clear.  Of course we'll never know for sure, and you can bet your ass Cooke would never admit it if he did do it on purpose, but I don't think it was an accident.

 

edit: The fact that this hit DOES happen all the time without a rash of players getting their legs sliced up only supports the notion that Cooke did this on purpose.  Either that or we are supposed to believe that all hockey players from pee wee on up through juniors to the NHL know how to correctly finish this type of hit without cutting the opponent but Matt Cooke does not?  Boooooools***.

 

Matt Cooke hasn't changed, he's simply figured out how to disguise his cheap play better.  He now knows he can't just come screaming across the ice and blindside headshot someone, he's got to make his cheapness look like an "accident".

 

f*** Matt Cooke. 

 

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:08 AM

To fill in for people that haven't played hockey, Matt Cooke put his leg up like that so that he could gain leverage and pin the defenseman along the boards by putting his leg between Karlsson's, unfortunately Karlsson's legs came together quickly in an effort to evade Cooke and that freak accident happened. I understand that it's Matt Cooke, and he truly deserves no benefit of doubt, but it's a legitimate play by him to win a puck battle, or at the very least pin the defenseman along the boards. I truly believe it was an accident, but I understand it's Matt Cooke and don't blame anyone for being against him.

 That was pretty poorly executed, I still cringe replaying in my brain...Poor Karlsson though I hope the kid comes back sooner then later.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:26 AM

 It's Matt bastard Cooke for crying out loud, so the benefit of the doub t has no place here. I also don't care if it was intentional or not the fact remains, whenever crap happens the Penguins are somehow always involved in it and their owner is one of the guys always screaming for players safety, if something bad is happening to HIS players. Well Lemieux how about screaming for Kevlar socks now?

 

To be honest watching Karlsson play has made the loss of Lidström a little bit easier, because his talent does remind me a bit of our alltime great. So come back soon kid.

 

I wish Cooke would have to answer for it, but it is not gonna happen and the reason for that is in the AHL Steve MacIntyre. Nobody is going to fight this guy or try any cheapshots with him in the lineup, so Pittsburgh can basically call him up the next time they are going to play against the Senators and nothing will happen. The league should have thrown the book at Cooke after the Savard thing they didn't and thats unexcuseable.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:26 AM

After watching the video MANY times and knowing checks like this happen all the time, Cooke stomped the back of Karlsson's ankle with his skate.  I think it's pretty clear.  Of course we'll never know for sure, and you can bet your ass Cooke would never admit it if he did do it on purpose, but I don't think it was an accident.

 

edit: The fact that this hit DOES happen all the time without a rash of players getting their legs sliced up only supports the notion that Cooke did this on purpose.  Either that or we are supposed to believe that all hockey players from pee wee on up through juniors to the NHL know how to correctly finish this type of hit without cutting the opponent but Matt Cooke does not?  Boooooools***.

 

Matt Cooke hasn't changed, he's simply figured out how to disguise his cheap play better.  He now knows he can't just come screaming across the ice and blindside headshot someone, he's got to make his cheapness look like an "accident".

 

f*** Matt Cooke. 

 

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Bingo bango. The play is perfectly clean and normal up until that wee little heel kick. I still don't get what else he could've been attempting. Jamming the bottom of his skate blade half a foot high into the boards for no reason? I see a lot of plays where guys get pinned, I don't see where that heel kick was necessary. Like I said I don't think he meant to almost completely lacerate his tendon but people like him, when they have a millisecond to make a decision, sometimes opt to take a stealthy little shot at a guy thinking it'll give him a slight advantage and nothing else will happen.

 

The more I watch it the more I realize the whole "losing his balance" excuse is a laughable fairytale at best. He was perfectly in control in a fight for the puck, and was coming to a stop. He could've just pinned him into the boards with his knee going forward and after that his skate coming down normally like anyone else does. If he would've just brought his foot down normally and it came down on Karlsson I wouldn't have a problem.


Edited by shoobiedoobin, 15 February 2013 - 10:33 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:26 PM

So what should of happened to Hossa after he ruined Berards career? And what Hossa did was actually against the rules!

What rules were Cooke breaking? You aren't allowed to pin defenseman any more? Intention matters when it's the sole reason for a suspension, there is no reason for a penalty on Cooke at all here, he didn't do anything wrong in the first place, so you can't compare it to players that take a penalty.

 

Not trying to pick sides, but there is specific mention in the rule book that Hossa's play while unfortunate, is not a penalty because of shot follow through. 

 

Stomping whether intentional, due to the extreme height of Pronger, trying to gain balance, or unintentional is a penalty. There are no exceptions to the rule, stomping on another player is a penalty. It is however subject to referee discretion.

 

I am torn on this case with Cooke, I have a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt. But when watching the play not in Slow Motion it does not look callous. 

 

I think it warranted a few minutes in the sin bin but I am not sure it warrants a suspension.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:05 PM

Wow, I mean what are the chances, that two of the dirtiest, most hated players in the entire NHL have both "accidentally" stomped on an opponent with their skate?  Poor old Pronger and Cooke, these guys can't buy a break eh?  Just making a hockey play, and they both have the misfortune to stomp on their opponents.

 

I mean, how come this kind of bad luck never happens to Datsyuk or St Louis?  A sucker just can't catch an even break... :(


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:31 PM

Wow, I mean what are the chances, that two of the dirtiest, most hated players in the entire NHL have both "accidentally" stomped on an opponent with their skate?  Poor old Pronger and Cooke, these guys can't buy a break eh?  Just making a hockey play, and they both have the misfortune to stomp on their opponents.

 

I mean, how come this kind of bad luck never happens to Datsyuk or St Louis?  A sucker just can't catch an even break... :(

Let's not also forget Chris Simon did it too!


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:41 PM

No-one tried to argue that was accidental though.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

I don't know if it is intentional or not, but this guy is really careless is the way he plays the game. He does not care about other players safety. I remember another incident when he was laying on the ice ,and was flailing his skate around at Osgood.



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:49 PM

I feel so bad for Eriksson and the rest of the team :( I feel bad for all the ottawa fans. EK is one of the best players is the game. He bring people to the game. Without him, what will happen? :(



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

Karlsson = next Lidstrom 



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:58 PM

Their season is doomed with their top two players out for the year.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

Wow, I mean what are the chances, that two of the dirtiest, most hated players in the entire NHL have both "accidentally" stomped on an opponent with their skate?  Poor old Pronger and Cooke, these guys can't buy a break eh?  Just making a hockey play, and they both have the misfortune to stomp on their opponents.

 

I mean, how come this kind of bad luck never happens to Datsyuk or St Louis?  A sucker just can't catch an even break... :(

 

Right?  It's as if his horrribly dirty reputation is actually saving his ass here.  Oh no!  Everyone's picking on poor old Matt Cooke!  Intention can never be proven so this is exactly the type of circumstance where "benefit of the doubt" SHOULD come into play.  I mean why even keep track of past offenses and suspensions if you are not going to use them when the time comes?  If there is ANY player in the league who should not get the benefit of the doubt it's MATT f***IN COOKE!!  He stomped Karlsson's ankle plain and simple.

 

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

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edit: The fact that this hit DOES happen all the time without a rash of players getting their legs sliced up only supports the notion that Cooke did this on purpose.  Either that or we are supposed to believe that all hockey players from pee wee on up through juniors to the NHL know how to correctly finish this type of hit without cutting the opponent but Matt Cooke does not?  Boooooools***.

...

 

By that logic, Steve Tuttle should have gone to jail for attempted murder.



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:35 PM

not sure what everyone is saying. this stuff happens randomly like the modano incident or the helm one with the wrists. It sucks because it might not have happened if the play was called dead, but it might also not have happened if the coach chose another dman to put on the ice. so many coulda/wouldas. It was chance - I don't think cooke intended to slash the back of his leg - even that is too boneheaded for someone like cooke. its nobodies fault really, it comes with the territory. this is why I wear kevlar socks and slash guards - if I fall and get stepped on or something i will be protected. 


This stuff happens far too much with Matt Cooke.





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