Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 So with 10 D now signed does Kenny still try and grab a top 2 D or will he now try and get that forward to make a push in the playoffs? I like the way we seem to be going with the young D corps that could get younger next year, should Kenny follow suit and target a young top 6 forward to grow with the roster or will he go for an established vet up front? Long term then i wouldnt mind him going for a young gun as i dont fell adding a vet/stud up front would make us any more capable of winning stanley than if we stood pat. Ive read on the 4th period site that Kenny is still looking for a top 6 and a depth fwd as well as a top D. Looking at the situ he does have the pieces to pull off a deal but i doubt 3 of them.Would we lose too much in doing so. I really feel that Flip is in play along with White and maybe some of the prospects that we wouldnt want to trade. So could he make us better than what we have now? I hope im wrong but i get a feeling that Bert may be done and if so targeting a similar type player is a must. We are getting bigger on the back end but sure could do with having a couple more bigger bodies up front. The cost for one of these would be high so maybe trying to get a so called Kenny project type player would be a cheaper option but not necessarily a guarantee fix. Ryan Clowe's production has dropped off this year and maybe a change of scenery would benefit him and San Jose. Or how about a Kenny special and bring back Shawn Matthias? The guy is having a great year is a big body and is the only player with a + rating on a poor Panthers team. Either way i think Kenny will pull off a deal and hopefully one with the long term Wings in mind more than the short term gain. D, either Zach Bogosian or Cody Franson both young and RH shots to fit in with hopefully the youth movement Kenny is creating. Fwd's, Blake Wheeler or Chris Stewart ( I know pipe dream) Reclaim project that could be a steal from the Flames, Akim Aliu big kid with attitude but needs kick up the ass to get his game in line.Could be the heavy weight agitator we lack at present. Toots is a middleweight when all said and done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 I think a rental makes the most sense. It's going to be near impossible to land the perfect forward, so he will probably aim for a veteran scorer. 1 whitewolf406 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 I think a rental makes the most sense. It's going to be near impossible to land the perfect forward, so he will probably aim for a veteran scorer. We need a power forward in the top 6. We have lots of skill but we get pushed around and to the perimeters. If we can't get a power forward I would try to move some of the redundant pieces and go with what we got and try to get one in the off-season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Well, if we're looking at this thing in the long-term.... and I hope we are looking beyond this year with whatever move/s we make. I think we try and piece together a package of d-men/prospect/pick for a top 6 forward: - Gaborik - Vanek - Hemsky - Pominville - Clowe That's just to name a few I can think of that have been discussed as trade targets by April 3rd. I think Gaborik would look nice on Datsyuk's wing, but if not him, I'd like Hemsky or Pominville (both need a change of scenery). 2013-2014 Forward Lines Franzen - Datsyuk - Gaborik Nyquist - Zetterberg - Brunner Bertuzzi - Helm - Samuelsson Miller - Abdelkader - Tootoo Emmerton In an ideal world, I would like to see Samuelsson, Abdelkader, and Emmerton go bye bye and go with this: Franzen - Datsyuk - Gaborik Nyquist - Zetterberg - Brunner Tatar - Helm - Bertuzzi Miller - Andersson - Tootoo Eaves Our defense could go two different routes.... first is that you would keep it as is and let the kids grow together with Kronwall and Ericsson anchoring things or second you make that move for a top pairing d-man: - Bouwmeester - Yandle - Boyle - Streit Again, just the ones that should be available off the top of my head. JBo is a hot topic around here, but I think he'd do well here alongside Kronwall, although so would Yandle and could potentially offer up more offense. I'm not entirely sure he's great defensively, though. Kronwall - Bouwmeester Ericsson - Smith Quincey - Kindl Lashoff or Kronwall - Smith Ericsson - Kindl Quincey - Dekeyser Lashoff I would almost like to see the second option and concentrate on boosting our offense through trade/s and or free agent signings/buyouts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unsaddleddonald 357 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Need a scorer. That is this team's most pressing need. They have been lacking a true, consistent scorer since Hossa left. Franzen is what he is. WE....NEED....A.....SCORER. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Need a scorer. That is this team's most pressing need. They have been lacking a true, consistent scorer since Hossa left. Franzen is what he is. WE....NEED....A.....SCORER. I want them to buyout Samuelsson... fill his spot with Clarkson... so Bertuzzi - Helm - Clarkson. I want them to trade for Gaborik, Vanek to fill the first or second line RW spot (scorer). Franzen - Datsyuk - Gaborik/Vanek CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER My Custom Lineup FORWARDS Gustav Nyquist ($0.900m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Nathan Horton ($4.000m) Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m) Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / David Clarkson ($3.250m) Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.925m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ron Hainsey ($4.500m) Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($1.000m) Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) Carlo Colaiacovo ($2.500m) / GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($4.000m) Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) OTHER Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,262,879; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,037,121 I'm bored, but I would LOVE to see something like that for next year and it would keep us under the cap! Substitute Hainsey for any other comparable top pairing d-man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unsaddleddonald 357 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 I want them to buyout Samuelsson... fill his spot with Clarkson... so Bertuzzi - Helm - Clarkson. I want them to trade for Gaborik, Vanek to fill the first or second line RW spot (scorer). Franzen - Datsyuk - Gaborik/Vanek Yes. I don't care how or when, but we need someone who can put that damn puck into that damn net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 We need a forward and I still think we need someone on D. Guess Flip is comparable to Kozlov in production and thinking he may be traded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 I want them to buyout Samuelsson... fill his spot with Clarkson... so Bertuzzi - Helm - Clarkson. I want them to trade for Gaborik, Vanek to fill the first or second line RW spot (scorer). Franzen - Datsyuk - Gaborik/Vanek CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER My Custom Lineup FORWARDS Gustav Nyquist ($0.900m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Nathan Horton ($4.000m) Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m) Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / David Clarkson ($3.250m) Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.925m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ron Hainsey ($4.500m) Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($1.000m) Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) Carlo Colaiacovo ($2.500m) / GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($4.000m) Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) OTHER Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,262,879; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,037,121 I'm bored, but I would LOVE to see something like that for next year and it would keep us under the cap! Substitute Hainsey for any other comparable top pairing d-man. I guess we traded DeKeyser ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rking72 13 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 I think you guys are going to be disappointed when we end up with Jagr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaCkaveli20 275 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Count me in trying to grab Gaborik or Vanek. That would instantly make our top 6 great. I actually think with the addition of Danny D our defense has the tools to become a very good under the radar unit. I personally don't think we need to explore a trade for J-Bo or Yandle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 I guess we traded DeKeyser ? And waived Tatar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 We have scoring forwards in Tatar and Nyquist... But they need to play top six minutes and not bottom six. Problem is that we need a bigger wingers who are going to play in the corners and provide some space for Dats/Z/Brunner/Nyquist/Tatar... Tatar/Nyquist - Dats - Clarkson Clowe - Z - Brunner Bertuzzi - Helm - Tatar/Nyquist Miller - Abdelkader - Tootoo Kronwall - E Smith - McQuaid Deke - Kindl Lashoff 3 esteef, GoWings1905 and SaCkaveli20 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 We have scoring forwards in Tatar and Nyquist... But they need to play top six minutes and not bottom six. Problem is that we need a bigger wingers who are going to play in the corners and provide some space for Dats/Z/Brunner/Nyquist/Tatar... Tatar/Nyquist - Dats - Clarkson Clowe - Z - Brunner Bertuzzi - Helm - Tatar/Nyquist Miller - Abdelkader - Tootoo Kronwall - E Smith - McQuaid Deke - Kindl Lashoff Love that lineup!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Filppula and (something) for Vanek? Rather see Vanek here than Gaborik as far as top 6 forwards go. Edited March 30, 2013 by St. Michael (the Red Wing) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DetroitRedWings1993 49 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Nyquist is not a scoring forward. Too small and more of a playmaker. We have too many passers and not enough finishers. Zetterberg has lost his ability to score. I don't know where it went, but it's gone and it's probably never coming back. Tatar cooled off at both ends of the ice fairly quickly. I was really disappointed with how heavily he tailed off. Neither he nor Nyquist have impressed me a great deal to this point. Out of the two between Gaborik and Vanek, if we were to pursue them, I would go after Vanek. Far more consistent than Gaborik, not as much of an injury concern, and is having a MUCH better year currently. Also a lesser cap hit, but not by much. Vanek makes 6.4 this year and next, Gabby makes 7.5 for the same term. Stop talking about defensemen. Just stop. If we're serious about letting the kids grow into their roles, then we should NOT be shopping around for a defenseman. You want to let the kids grow? Then actually let them grow. Bouwmeester is terrible and makes WAY too much money. Yandle is awful in his own end. We have enough of that (Kronwall, Quincey, Ericsson). We need some type of scoring forward at the deadline. We have literally NO ONE who can put the puck in the net consistently. To quote unsaddleddonald, Franzen is what he is. And what he is, is inconsistent, soft, and totally devoid of heart and effort. The odd goal now and then doesn't change that. Edited March 30, 2013 by DetroitRedWings1993 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Why would Buffalo move Vanek, who leads their team in scoring? Have they already given up on the playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DetroitRedWings1993 49 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Why would Buffalo move Vanek, who leads their team in scoring? Have they already given up on the playoffs? Buffalo's given up on just about everything. Pominville's been made available. Drew Stafford and most of their defensemen are available. They need a rebuild. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Buffalo's given up on just about everything. Pominville's been made available. Drew Stafford and most of their defensemen are available. They need a rebuild. Rebuild from what? Their rebuilding started years ago when they let go of Drury and Briere. They had the best offense in the league for several years there. I don't see how moving the above players and getting a Filppula is going to start some rebuilding process. Also, I used to want Clowe, but he hasn't scored a goal this year. Sure he'd create more room, but he's not a finisher. The good news is that he should be easy to acquire and San Jose shouldn't be reluctant to let him go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unsaddleddonald 357 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Why would Buffalo move Vanek, who leads their team in scoring? Have they already given up on the playoffs? They've been teetering for a while now. Some think that they will look to blow it up and Darcy Reiger seems to be on his way out. And again with Franzen, he has the ability, but he doesn't have the drive to score 40. He'll get you 20-30, but we need a 40 goal man. (Dead horse) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) I'd love Ryan O'Reilly...I think there are still hard feelings in Colorado from the start of this season. Especially given that next year we'll be playing Colorado a lot less, they should be a little more willing to deal with us. Not that I think it will happen, but that would be amazing and it's somewhat realistic. Edited March 30, 2013 by Zetts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Give Tatar top six minutes. It would cost us nothing. esteef 3 St. Michael (the Red Wing), amato and DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted March 30, 2013 Rebuild from what? Their rebuilding started years ago when they let go of Drury and Briere. They had the best offense in the league for several years there. They had the best offense in the league for a single season, and letting go of Drury and Briere to keep Vanek was less of a rebuild than it was a series of terrible decisions by Regier. Allowing Drury to walk was the right decision, but doing the same with Briere and keeping Vanek rather than taking four lottery picks from Edmonton was a mistake for which Sabres fans will vilify Regier for a long time. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 I'd love Ryan O'Reilly...I think there are still hard feelings in Colorado from the start of this season. Especially given that next year we'll be playing Colorado a lot less, they should be a little more willing to deal with us. Not that I think it will happen, but that would be amazing and it's somewhat realistic. They can't move O'Reilly within one calendar year from when he signed, If I recall correctly. 1 dirtydangles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,755 Report post Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) They can't move O'Reilly within one calendar year from when he signed, If I recall correctly. This is correct. Also, TheFourthPeriod.com is reporting that Holland has been "very" active on the phones and he's seeking a top pairing d-man, a top six winger, and a depth forward. Take that for what it's worth. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/det130329a.html Edited March 30, 2013 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
