haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Kindl has a good plus/minus and scores way more points. Smith does nothing. He's somewhat physical, but only compared to our other guys. That's not saying much. Occasionally he fights and makes me feel funny inside. I'd keep Kindl so far. I'd sit Kindl and reduce Smith minutes down to what Kindl has been playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 I'd sit Kindl and reduce Smith minutes down to what Kindl has been playing. You just don't like soft Euros. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) 2 points but we got to get help by the 3rd Edited April 2, 2013 by sjr2012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing-in-avs-town 123 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 So who deserves to sit more after this game, Smith or Kindl? I'd throw White on that list too. All 3 of them threw the puck away deep in our zone tonight. Pick a card, low man out :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Ugly game in the end but we needed the win and got it. Good to see Brunner score a nice one. Nyquist set it up beautifully and was great all game. It's painful to see the personnel decisions this season. We'll see what happens, if anything, before the deadline. It's pretty clear to me this team is not better with White on D. Coliacovo doesn't impress a whole lot either. I'm hoping Dekeyeser can at the very least make solid hockey plays, keep it simple and clear the zone etc. He doesn't have to tear the league apart. Him and Lashoff could make our D atleast bearable. Then maybe we can either pick someone up as a top 6 winger, or atleast bring up Tatar. COliacovo's first game back. Judge him later 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeachMeHowToDangle 5 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Can't take the credit for this, but here's the Tootoo incident Gif. Comes from @redwingsfeed on Twitter, I think. http://gifvine-gifs.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/bIXYXO1xA2O 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 You just don't like soft Euros. you're kind of right, at least about the soft part. I'd probably be more forgiving of Kindl's screwups if he were knocking guys around out there instead of bailing out of hits. He and Franzen are about the smallest playing 6'3" 215+ lb guys you'll find in the NHL. Can't take the credit for this, but here's the Tootoo incident Gif. Comes from @redwingsfeed on Twitter, I think. http://gifvine-gifs.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/bIXYXO1xA2O the replay they showed during the game you could see him smiling as he popped back up from the bench after going in headfirst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 So who deserves to sit more after this game, Smith or Kindl? Nah, they're young and learning on the fly, just let them play. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Play dekeyser! And honestly Quincey gets a lot of flack but he was playing well on a pairing with smith before he got hurt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Re I'd sit Kindl and reduce Smith minutes down to what Kindl has been playing. Really, you'd sit the guy who's at least playing well in transition and putting up points for the guy who's done jack s*** all season, just because one is better about taking hits? Smith doesn't score as well as Kindl, hell he doesn't even score as well as Lashoff this season, and he's been horrible defensively. Worse than the other two by a long shot. He's going to be good one day. But he's having a lot of growing pains this season. Probably because actually playing defense has always been a bit of a after thought for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Yeah Smith has just been brutal. There is no way to sugar coat it. Needs to stop trying to learn from Kronwall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 He's been pretty good this season. If you are kicking him off for one game you should have kicked Kronwall of the team for yesterday. one game? How he made the nhl is beyond me... One of the worst in leavue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Re Really, you'd sit the guy who's at least playing well in transition and putting up points for the guy who's done jack s*** all season, just because one is better about taking hits? Smith doesn't score as well as Kindl, hell he doesn't even score as well as Lashoff this season, and he's been horrible defensively. Worse than the other two by a long shot. He's going to be good one day. But he's having a lot of growing pains this season. Probably because actually playing defense has always been a bit of a after thought for him. playing well in transition? were you watching tonight? Smith plays the PP, PK, and plays more minutes than Kindl. Kindl gets the easy minutes as a #6 guy and has been good on the PP. so yes, my suggestion was that if you are going to sit someone, don't stunt the rookie's development just let him play fewer minutes. Smith has higher potential than Kindl, even though Kindl is finally looking like he's capable of holding a #6 spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Yeah Smith has just been brutal. There is no way to sugar coat it. Needs to stop trying to learn from Kronwall. Right, what a terrible example to follow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 one game? How he made the nhl is beyond me... One of the worst in leavue You aren't serious are you? Kindl has been one of our better defenseman. Had a bad game tonight, but he's miles ahead of Smith and Kronwall defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 You aren't serious are you? Kindl has been one of our better defenseman. Had a bad game tonight, but he's miles ahead of Smith and Kronwall defensively. I strongly disagree Kronwall has struggled in taking on the #1 spot, but there's no way Kindl is better than him defensively. Kronwall is asked to do a ton more than Kindl on a nightly basis facing the top competition. The last couple games notwithstanding, Kindl has looked good as a bottom pairing guy. If Kindl played Kronwalls' shifts night after a night, it would be a disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 If I had it my way the pairing wold look like this. By the way this is all predicated on Dekeyser being a solid player. Kronner- E Quincey- Smith Kindl- Dekeyser Colo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 You aren't serious are you? Kindl has been one of our better defenseman. Had a bad game tonight, but he's miles ahead of Smith and Kronwall defensively. Lol what a laugh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 I strongly disagree Kronwall has struggled in taking on the #1 spot, but there's no way Kindl is better than him defensively. Kronwall is asked to do a ton more than Kindl on a nightly basis facing the top competition. The last couple games notwithstanding, Kindl has looked good as a bottom pairing guy. If Kindl played Kronwalls' shifts night after a night, it would be a disaster. Sarcasm is hard to deliver my bad haha Kronwall has been really disappointing for me, but yea he's better than Kindl no doubt. I do think Kindl has been impressive though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 playing well in transition? were you watching tonight? Smith plays the PP, PK, and plays more minutes than Kindl. Kindl gets the easy minutes as a #6 guy and has been good on the PP. so yes, my suggestion was that if you are going to sit someone, don't stunt the rookie's development just let him play fewer minutes. Smith has higher potential than Kindl, even though Kindl is finally looking like he's capable of holding a #6 spot. It's one game. Granted, Kindl had a bad game tonight, but not any worse than Smith to be honest. As for the rest... Smith averages 18:40 ice time per game, Kindl 17:54, which is the difference of one shift. Both play on the 2nd PP where Kindl has noticeably outplayed Smith. Neither saw significant PK time until Quincey got hurt, as Quincey, Kronwall, and Ericsson are the primary penalty killing defensemen, so it's not like Smith has been carrying the load there. Even then Smith only has 1 minute of PK time during Quincey's absence. So with the exception of one minute of PK time, they play pretty much exactly the same amount of minutes and Kindl leads Smith in every single statistical category. I understand not really liking particular players, but it's hard to conclude that Smith should play while Kindl sits. However, they're both better than White or Cola, which I think we can both agree on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Crazy 201 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 It's one game. Granted, Kindl had a bad game tonight, but not any worse than Smith to be honest. As for the rest... Smith averages 18:40 ice time per game, Kindl 17:54, which is the difference of one shift. Both play on the 2nd PP where Kindl has noticeably outplayed Smith. Neither saw significant PK time until Quincey got hurt, as Quincey, Kronwall, and Ericsson are the primary penalty killing defensemen, so it's not like Smith has been carrying the load there. Even then Smith only has 1 minute of PK time during Quincey's absence. So with the exception of one minute of PK time, they play pretty much exactly the same amount of minutes and Kindl leads Smith in every single statistical category. I understand not really liking particular players, but it's hard to conclude that Smith should play while Kindl sits. However, they're both better than White or Cola, which I think we can both agree on. Cola out played them both tonight. He was sound and seemed to move the puck out of his own end with some nice passes...something that lacks at times with this team. Smith and Kindl are young and are going to make mistakes like we have been seeing lately. I wish the Wings could have got Regehr. He could have been a good partner for a young d-man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 ive been saying smith is unimpressive for weeks. took a give away to a goal for you guys to realize it? he was supposed to be a huge boost on the blue line, hes been like i said unimpressive in both ends. his outlet passes are ******* ugly and most of them lead to turn overs. if its not a pass its just a flip to the other team i also agree with others kindl looks a lot better then smith. he takes the time and makes smarter passes anyway gus looked good tonight he held the puck real good set up brunner which was beautiful. brunner looked very thankful haha hopefully it takes a little bit of pressure off him i really hope we see dekeyser thursday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 I was going to cry if with lost to the Av's! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Also wanted to add that Nyquist pass to Brunner was nice... Would love to see more of that in the near future FYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 2, 2013 Also wanted to add that Nyquist pass to Brunner was nice... Would love to see more of that in the near future FYI Nyq will be sent to GR tm. Book it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
