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Franzen's a Bargain

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Franzen could lead the team in points and he'd still get s*** on. He's become the perennial whipping boy around here.

It's because he spends so much time floating. Imagine if he were to always play the way he's playing now.

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If he was full Mule all year long, he'd be worth 7 mil, but he'd be putting up 90 points.

And we wouldn't have been able to sign him or Hossa

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Fair to say we wouldnt be fighting for our playoff lives right now and if we get in, meeting #1 first round.

If and buts I know but i think thats what runs most of us the wrong way.

He seems to have this ability to crank it up come April but this year April was March!

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LOL, since we like to beat dead horses, NO! Franzen is not a bargin, nor is he a 30 gaol per year guy. Franzen has made it to the 30 goal in a season mark once! In 08/09. That is it. 1 time out of 9 or so years. For his career, Franzen has played 512 regular season games. he has a total of 164 regular season goals. When you do the math, that averages out to 26 goals per 82 games. But Franzen doesn't play 82 games per year. His career high was 80 games his rookie season in 05/06. Prior to this year he played 472 games in 7 seasons. Which is a 68 game per season average. Using 68 games as his average, and multiplying by his career goals per game average, franzen averages 22 goals per season.

But Franzen is great in the playoffs! No, that isn't true either. He has been with us for 7 trips to the playoffs. In 5 of those trips he has scored 6 goals or less. In those 5 years he averaged .27 goals per game, which is LOWER than his career goals per game average. What franzen did do was have great PO years in 08 and 09. That was 4 and 5 seasons ago, back when he was 28 and 29 years old. Back when Z and Datsyuk were also having their career years.

Now on the plus side, Franzen is signed for 7 more years! For 7 more years he will take up 4 million of cap space. Even if he is retired! I wonder how much everyone is going to like Franzen, Z, and Kronwall in 4 or 5 years when we will be forced to let young stars like (example) Dekeyser walk because our cap is all used up! Just wait for it......

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Unless it was undone by the current CBA, Mule doesn't count towards the cap if he retires before his contract is done, right?

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Unless it was undone by the current CBA, Mule doesn't count towards the cap if he retires before his contract is done, right?

Yes he does. There are only 3 ways to get rid of his cap hit: trade him, buy him out, or put him on LTIR if he is hurt. That is it. Cap hit stays for retired players.

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Yes he does. There are only 3 ways to get rid of his cap hit: trade him, buy him out, or put him on LTIR if he is hurt. That is it. Cap hit stays for retired players.

Ok. I thought under-35 guys (at the time of signing) didn't count. My bad.

Maybe he'll chip a nail when he gets too old to play and we'll LITR him.

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Franzen could lead the team in points and he'd still get s*** on. He's become the perennial whipping boy around here.

You must not have been on the board when Feds played. That name alone still creates fiery debate and many a suspension on this board!

These were the same arguments had then, except Feds had the whole defense thing on his side of the argument (and was immensely more talented even when loafing!).

When guys like Yzerman come to be the face of your organization, it becomes hard to accept players who don't give it their all because they are disinterested, not because they are hurt or have things going on in life.

Just simply due to interest.

I will admit it Yzerman spoiled me, like being the best team in the league for the past 15+ years (not each year, overall most successful org in recent history) has spoiled some Wings' fans.

I do not like part time players/ guys that only play for big games, but some have no problem with it and even admit that he has the talent to be a $7M + a year guy, but it is ok because he is only being paid to be half the player he could be!

I understand that everyone picks it up a level for big games, I played enough sports at a collegiate level(very bad and very small college) to know that everyone turns it up a notch come post season, even the very bad.

But Mule doesn't turn it up a notch, he simply turns it on.

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Heck even this year he has missed 15% of our total games. Only has played in 40 out of the 47 total games to date. For a full season he is on pace to play 67 games.

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who cares, he is only signed till he is 40, not 52...

.............For god sakes man I was just being facetious, the dudes not Gordie Howe...

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The Franzen hate needs to end. I know his contract is a little long, but for the cap hit he's a bargain at his production level. Not every scorer can produce as consistently as Stamkos and other ELITE guys can. Franzen, like most scoring types, is streaky. Does he amp it up to the next level in the playoffs and such? Yes. Does he completely take nights off like 2011-12 Ovechkin/Semin? No.

We've been spoiled by the Yzerman's and the Datsyuk's. Not all players can be that perfect. I'm happy to have Franzen on this team.

Now Quincey....

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LOL, since we like to beat dead horses, NO! Franzen is not a bargin, nor is he a 30 gaol per year guy. Franzen has made it to the 30 goal in a season mark once! In 08/09. That is it. 1 time out of 9 or so years. For his career, Franzen has played 512 regular season games. he has a total of 164 regular season goals. When you do the math, that averages out to 26 goals per 82 games. But Franzen doesn't play 82 games per year. His career high was 80 games his rookie season in 05/06. Prior to this year he played 472 games in 7 seasons. Which is a 68 game per season average. Using 68 games as his average, and multiplying by his career goals per game average, franzen averages 22 goals per season.

But Franzen is great in the playoffs! No, that isn't true either. He has been with us for 7 trips to the playoffs. In 5 of those trips he has scored 6 goals or less. In those 5 years he averaged .27 goals per game, which is LOWER than his career goals per game average. What franzen did do was have great PO years in 08 and 09. That was 4 and 5 seasons ago, back when he was 28 and 29 years old. Back when Z and Datsyuk were also having their career years.

Now on the plus side, Franzen is signed for 7 more years! For 7 more years he will take up 4 million of cap space. Even if he is retired! I wonder how much everyone is going to like Franzen, Z, and Kronwall in 4 or 5 years when we will be forced to let young stars like (example) Dekeyser walk because our cap is all used up! Just wait for it......

actually, if he were to play 68 games on average and score 26 goals/season, that would equate to 31.35 goals if he played 82 games each year, the more games you play, the more you score, not the other way around...

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LOL, since we like to beat dead horses, NO! Franzen is not a bargin, nor is he a 30 gaol per year guy. Franzen has made it to the 30 goal in a season mark once! In 08/09. That is it. 1 time out of 9 or so years. For his career, Franzen has played 512 regular season games. he has a total of 164 regular season goals. When you do the math, that averages out to 26 goals per 82 games. But Franzen doesn't play 82 games per year. His career high was 80 games his rookie season in 05/06. Prior to this year he played 472 games in 7 seasons. Which is a 68 game per season average. Using 68 games as his average, and multiplying by his career goals per game average, franzen averages 22 goals per season.

But Franzen is great in the playoffs! No, that isn't true either. He has been with us for 7 trips to the playoffs. In 5 of those trips he has scored 6 goals or less. In those 5 years he averaged .27 goals per game, which is LOWER than his career goals per game average. What franzen did do was have great PO years in 08 and 09. That was 4 and 5 seasons ago, back when he was 28 and 29 years old. Back when Z and Datsyuk were also having their career years.

Now on the plus side, Franzen is signed for 7 more years! For 7 more years he will take up 4 million of cap space. Even if he is retired! I wonder how much everyone is going to like Franzen, Z, and Kronwall in 4 or 5 years when we will be forced to let young stars like (example) Dekeyser walk because our cap is all used up! Just wait for it......

You are a moron

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First unless your last name is ilitch the only # that matters is cap hit cuz that is what effects team building. Now to address the " floating". I'll agree I sometimes see mule not where he could be/ should be and I do see it as a lack of effort but for every mule float I see a cleary fall or a kronner bad clear so yeah his game isn't perfect but no one whos last name isn't lidstrom is.

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LOL, since we like to beat dead horses, NO! Franzen is not a bargin, nor is he a 30 gaol per year guy. Franzen has made it to the 30 goal in a season mark once! In 08/09. That is it. 1 time out of 9 or so years. For his career, Franzen has played 512 regular season games. he has a total of 164 regular season goals. When you do the math, that averages out to 26 goals per 82 games. But Franzen doesn't play 82 games per year. His career high was 80 games his rookie season in 05/06. Prior to this year he played 472 games in 7 seasons. Which is a 68 game per season average. Using 68 games as his average, and multiplying by his career goals per game average, franzen averages 22 goals per season.

But Franzen is great in the playoffs! No, that isn't true either. He has been with us for 7 trips to the playoffs. In 5 of those trips he has scored 6 goals or less. In those 5 years he averaged .27 goals per game, which is LOWER than his career goals per game average. What franzen did do was have great PO years in 08 and 09. That was 4 and 5 seasons ago, back when he was 28 and 29 years old. Back when Z and Datsyuk were also having their career years.

Now on the plus side, Franzen is signed for 7 more years! For 7 more years he will take up 4 million of cap space. Even if he is retired! I wonder how much everyone is going to like Franzen, Z, and Kronwall in 4 or 5 years when we will be forced to let young stars like (example) Dekeyser walk because our cap is all used up! Just wait for it......

6 goals in the playoffs is usually enough to be top 10 in the league.

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The Franzen hate will end only when his soft-lethargic-apathetic-coasting-floating-dry-spells end. He spent most of this shortened season in No Man's Land. Had he played the way he's playing now, we might not be in the position we're in.

This isn't rocket science, folks.

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Yes he does. There are only 3 ways to get rid of his cap hit: trade him, buy him out, or put him on LTIR if he is hurt. That is it. Cap hit stays for retired players.

If that is true then why doesn't Huet's 5.625M cap hit count against Chicago's Cap?

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The Franzen hate needs to end. I know his contract is a little long, but for the cap hit he's a bargain at his production level. Not every scorer can produce as consistently as Stamkos and other ELITE guys can. Franzen, like most scoring types, is streaky. Does he amp it up to the next level in the playoffs and such? Yes. Does he completely take nights off like 2011-12 Ovechkin/Semin? No.

We've been spoiled by the Yzerman's and the Datsyuk's. Not all players can be that perfect. I'm happy to have Franzen on this team.

Now Quincey....

Again, I ask, and no one has answered, when he is 40 will you still expect him to play like a 4 mil a year player?

I don't, I expect him to play like a 40 year old (if still playing), right now I expect him to play 32 year old, and to play hard every night.

You mentioned not everyone can be Like Yzerman or Dats, but the list of guys hustling every night while wearing the Winged Wheel goes much deeper than those two: Draper, Cheli, Z, Mac, Maltby, etc...

He was given the security of a career long contract, sure the team got a cap friendly hit, but he never has to get a contract again, he can score 5 goals a year the rest of his career and not need to worry about a contract ever again.

His contract is player and team friendly, not just one way.

And someone mentioned Cleary falling down or Kronner's bad passing even Sammy's shinguard assault or Helm's hands of cement, I can keep listing players short comings or mistakes.

However; IMO lack of skill or execution is far more excusable than lack of effort!

I respect Tootoo more as a player than I do Franzen, and I am by no means a grit and sandpaper guy, but when I see Tootoo taking bad penalties or being out of position it is still obvious every night that he is going hard and giving his all.

The Mule I watched 4 weeks ago and before was definitely taking nights of ala Semin and Ovie as you mentioned above.

I have watched him coast up and down the ice on Offense and Defense, watched him get the puck in the zone only to loft what amounts to a saucer pass at the goalie.

When Zetta is struggling offensively at least you know he can still help shut down the other team's top line. A disinterested Mule is disinterested in all aspects of the game, ESPECIALLY HUSTLE!

Is he tremendously talented? Yes!

Does he take days/weeks off? Yes!

I just have a hard time comparing a guy like Cleary's inability to score 30 goals with Franzen's lack of desire/effort to score 30.

He is happy with the status quo, I get that, I just don't appreciate it!

You are entitled to you opinion, and I will not argue that, but when a thread pops up claiming he is a bargain, I feel like chiming in!

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If that is true then why doesn't Huet's 5.625M cap hit count against Chicago's Cap?

I'm thinking it has something to do with the fact that he doesn't have a contract with the Blackhawks. His $5.625m a season contract with them ended after the 2011-12 season. That was also under the old CBA where teams could bury players in the AHL & keep their cap hit off the books. That was eliminated under the new CBA.

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The Cap rule about multi-year deals and retirement from Wiki:

The CBA also contains a 35-and-over rule, sometimes referred to as the Mogilny rule.[8] This rule states that if a player signs a multi-year deal when the player is 35 or older, starting in the second year of the contract, that amount will count towards the team's salary cap regardless of whether the player is on the active roster or not (unless the player is on long-term injured reserve); this provision remains in effect for the 2013 CBA. This is designed to keep teams from signing older players to lucrative front-loaded contracts, thus saving cap room, in which there is no expectation the player will actually play in the latter years

So as I understand it when Franzen retires so does his cap hit.

That is why the Hawks sent Huet overseas, to lose the cap hit.

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The Cap rule about multi-year deals and retirement from Wiki:

So as I understand it when Franzen retires so does his cap hit.

That is why the Hawks sent Huet overseas, to lose the cap hit.

so to answer others questions, will we expect him to play at a $4mil level in 7 years? no, but if he is not then he can reetire and lose the cap hit.

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so to answer others questions, will we expect him to play at a $4mil level in 7 years? no, but if he is not then he can reetire and lose the cap hit.

...or he'll ride out the remainder...?

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