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#21 Opie

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 02:42 PM

Umm, those two are not exactly no-name prospects. Far from it.

 

Yeah that is closer to Nyquist and Tatar than Pulkkenin, but maybe that is just me!.

The Ducks got rid of a malcontent (from all reports) and got two really good prospects, really good prospects!


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 02:44 PM

Wow, 
 
 
Dunno if I'd have given up Nyquist AND Pulkkinen to make this deal, but two prospects and a first for Ryan is quite the bargain for Ottawa.


I personally believe Nyquist will be a 60 point guy before long...add in Pulkkinen and and a 1st, no thanks.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 02:44 PM

 

Yeah that is closer to Nyquist and Tatar than Pulkkenin, but maybe that is just me!.

The Ducks got rid of a malcontent (from all reports) and got two really good prospects, really good prospects!

Noesen is still boom bust type prospect with some holes in his game, but a lot of upside. Tatar is a lot more complete. That's why I chose Pulkkenin, he's just starting to learn to play a full game, has great offensive upside, but still not a complete player. 


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 02:50 PM

Yeah, we couldn't have used a right handed shot that's 26 years old and has 5 30 goal seasons already.  So how many good playoffs has Stephen Weiss had?  Alfredsson?  But it might have meant taking a small risk on players who are going to sit and rot in GR while we continue to sign 40 year olds. 



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 02:53 PM

Wash for Ottawa. Gave up a lot. Ryan disappears at times. He replaces Alfie and is younger. So...I'd say it was a good move, but it doesn't really change anythig in Ottawa.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 02:58 PM

Noesen is still boom bust type prospect with some holes in his game, but a lot of upside. Tatar is a lot more complete. That's why I chose Pulkkenin, he's just starting to learn to play a full game, has great offensive upside, but still not a complete player. 

OK, Sold, Pulkkinen it is!

LOL, I know less about Noesen, just know he has a lot of talent!

 

Yeah, we couldn't have used a right handed shot that's 26 years old and has 5 30 goal seasons already.  So how many good playoffs has Stephen Weiss had?  Alfredsson?  But it might have meant taking a small risk on players who are going to sit and rot in GR while we continue to sign 40 year olds. 

 

This trade, to me is the epitome of why teams like Ottawa and Anaheim are up and down more than a Yo-Yo.

 

Bobby Ryan is a very good player with a bit of a spur in his saddle.

 

But it is not like the Ducks got a couple of pluggers and a 5th rounder.

 

Nyquist will be on this roster all year and make a difference, trading him and say Pulkkinen for Ryan and a 1st rounder to me is an overpayment.

 

BTW Bobby Ryan has had one season that stands out as far better than Weiss, other than that they are both high 50 to low 60 point scorers. Weiss did that in Florida, and Ryan did it on ANA's top line, with GREAT linemates.

 

Even when he got demoted he still had Selanne!

 

Ryan is 4 years younger, but the price for him salary wise and commodity wise was high.

 

I would still love him on this roster though!


Edited by Opie, 05 July 2013 - 02:59 PM.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 02:59 PM

Hollamd allegedly lost interest in Ryan after viewing his crappy compete level in the playoffs.

 

I put Ryan in the Brunner category..completely one dimensional streaky scorer..hard to give up goal scoring but this game is played at both ends of the ice..something neither of these two is very good at.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:03 PM

 

I put Ryan in the Brunner category..completely one dimensional streaky scorer..hard to give up goal scoring but this game is played at both ends of the ice..something neither of these two is very good at.

Personally, I don't think we need 12 two way small European forwards.  I'm okay with a guy that just shoots the puck and can score 30 goals a season.  I don't think his cap hit is much more than Weiss', like maybe 5.5? 



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:12 PM

Silverberg=Nyquist 
Noesen=Pulkkinen
1st round is a first round.

I would have done that deal, no problem. Yes Ryan is perhaps not a sure thing, but he would bring more size and that alone would make it worth the gamble.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

Ryan is a beast and if you get the best player in a trade it's a win. Ryan's limit is the sky he is still fairly young.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:34 PM

Yeah, we couldn't have used a right handed shot that's 26 years old and has 5 30 goal seasons already.  So how many good playoffs has Stephen Weiss had?  Alfredsson?  But it might have meant taking a small risk on players who are going to sit and rot in GR while we continue to sign 40 year olds. 

 

Ryan is not the same high-impact player he was two seasons ago. His awful performance against the Wings in the playoffs is more indicative of how he plays now.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:52 PM

Hollamd allegedly lost interest in Ryan after viewing his crappy compete level in the playoffs.

 

Link?


 

Yeah that is closer to Nyquist and Tatar than Pulkkenin, but maybe that is just me!.

The Ducks got rid of a malcontent (from all reports) and got two really good prospects, really good prospects!

 

But was he a malcontent before they started shopping him around?  (I honestly don't know)

 

The Ducks dangled Ryan several times.  After a while that's got to get to you as a player.  



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:53 PM

 

Ryan is not the same high-impact player he was two seasons ago. His awful performance against the Wings in the playoffs is more indicative of how he plays now.

 

 

by that logic you can say the same thing about weiss and alfredsson since they didnt put up big numbers this past season either?

 

cant imagine bobby ryan being here and not putting up 30-40 goals


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:24 PM

 

 

by that logic you can say the same thing about weiss and alfredsson since they didnt put up big numbers this past season either?

 

cant imagine bobby ryan being here and not putting up 30-40 goals

 

In case you hadn't noticed, I was referring to the playoffs. Weiss did not play in the playoffs---the Panthers did not qualify---and Alfredsson had ten points in ten games. If you'd like to look to the regular season, your comparison is still invalid; Weiss played 17 games injured before going out for good, and Alfredsson trailed Ryan by a whopping four points.

 

Finally---this should be obvious---and most importantly, we didn't trade a first-round pick and two high-level prospects for Weiss or Alfredsson. We got them for salary only.


Time to start the fire Holland chants. We will miss playoffs next year cause we got no goal scorer.

 

It's pretty easy to make these claims when there's no responsibility attached, isn't it?



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:29 PM

not like the ducks would trade with the wings anyway



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:44 PM

 

 

by that logic you can say the same thing about weiss and alfredsson since they didnt put up big numbers this past season either?

 

cant imagine bobby ryan being here and not putting up 30-40 goals

 

Bobby Ryan played with Getzlaf and Perry in Anaheim

 

Bobby Ryan will now play with Spezza (if healthy) and Michalek.

 

Bobby Ryan production will not be a PPG player anymore, he will be around 60-70 points.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:47 PM

So Bobby Ryan's girlfriend must have big boobs, right????  Right???? 

 

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:49 PM

 

Bobby Ryan played with Getzlaf and Perry in Anaheim

 

Bobby Ryan will now play with Spezza (if healthy) and Michalek.

 

Bobby Ryan production will not be a PPG player anymore, he will be around 60-70 points.

never was a PPG player. Always has been a 60 point guy. he is a goal scorer not a setup man. he is also one of 6 players in the entire NHL to have more than 1 season of 25+ goals and 120+ hits over the last 4 years. that is his game. We will get to see it up close and often for the next 2 years, maybe more.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:51 PM

Nyquist would have been involved for us... His compete level is off the charts - just look at how he back checks as a winger - its insane. I think Gus could be a better two-way player than Ryan in the future and put up similar point totals just not as many goals. Just my two cents. I see why Holland didnt make the move. 


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:52 PM

 

Link?


 

But was he a malcontent before they started shopping him around?  (I honestly don't know)

 

The Ducks dangled Ryan several times.  After a while that's got to get to you as a player.  

Yup. Not to mention they had him playing on his off wing, when he is a natural RW. But yes, when your GM talks in the press about moving you, that does cause issues. BTW what RW forwards have scored over 30 goals in a season more than Ryan has? Z is tied with him at 4, but his last seasons was 08/09.


Nyquist would have been involved for us... His compete level is off the charts - just look at how he back checks as a winger - its insane. I think Gus could be a better two-way player than Ryan in the future and put up similar point totals just not as many goals. Just my two cents. I see why Holland didnt make the move. 

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