Guest Crymson Report post Posted November 24, 2013 The Cleary experiment seems to have come to an end. I was referring to the draft. You're taking issue with people giving Nill undue credit, but then you give Holland all the credit for our drafting, when Nill had a pretty big hand it. Again, just sayin'. Fair. Wasn't talking about going deep into the playoffs. That'd be pretty hard to do in November. Joke. And I'm sure Holland had nothing to do with that either.Once again, Holland gets the entirety of the blame for everything bad and none of the credit for anything good. This is a viewpoint divorced from reality.Never said either of those and I'm not everybody. I would focus on what people say instead of generalizing. Unless, of course you're just trying to hate on everyone regardless of what they say. You generalized. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Yes Sens are getting away with much bs... LOL Kindl... He struggled at the AHL level for years and Dekeyser excels at the NHL level right away... there's your difference and Kindl will never be more than average with a minor flair for pp play... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unsaddleddonald 357 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Is anyone else convinced that Ottawa is playing us like this because of Alfie (despite the fact that he isn't playing)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 though it's painful to watch, MacLean knows we don't respond well to all this rough and tumble, dirty play so far it's working for them we need to figure out a way to battle through it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Can't watch because I'm out of the house. What's going on?Our offense looks semi good, defense is questionable at best.Chippy as hell, Ottawa slashing and haxking away at everyonr and anyone with the puck nowhere near, and smith fought Neil. Not really a close fight. Smith got one, maybe two good shots in on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Normally with Mule I agree because he's such a drama queen, but those can hurt. They already took Helm down with one earlier, and I don't think of Helm as someone who'd embellish like that. Helm actually got slashed earlier. Franzens was a love tap... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Is anyone else convinced that Ottawa is playing us like this because of Alfie (despite the fact that he isn't playing)? I don't know. When you have a player like Neil there's really no reason for him not to. The Wings have smallish forwards and no one to really make him answer for it. So it's a pretty good strategy to run guys and get in the face of Zetterberg and Datsyuk whenever possible. As Mick mentioned earlier, they've factored in to 45% of the Wings goals. Taking them off their game gives you a great chance of winning. Helm actually got slashed earlier. Franzens was a love tap... Maybe. Helm's didn't look like much either but like I said, I've not seen Helm dive like that. Franzen on the other hand... you could be right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 though it's painful to watch, MacLean knows we don't respond well to all this rough and tumble, dirty play so far it's working for them we need to figure out a way to battle through it Best way to deal with it is score more goals and win the game. Let Ottawa do the dirty stuff all night, 2 pts is more important. Smith showed the Wings aren't afraid. Kind of how the Ducks used to play us. 1 datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Makes you wonder how the Wings can't draw penalties all season when you see gang rape like that being let go consistently. Inevitably the Wings are going to get a call against them that'll make us all think "THAT?! What about this other dozen you let go in the 2nd?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 You should get used to this... Ottawa, Boston, Toronto, Philly Boston is not cheap or dirty nor is Toronto Philly can be cheap and dirty yes. I fail to see your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SensViking 20 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Detroit is playing a helluva gusty game IMHO. Props to Smith- guys got heart.Sens are playing craptastic as usual and don't deserve the lead. Maybe I'm crazy but the Eastern conference is so chippy compared to the West. That being said I hate to see Detroit skill players getting smashed and roughed up. That was my major concern about them making the switch to the East. Boston and Philly are no sweathearts either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukToZetterberg 128 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Our offense looks semi good, defense is questionable at best. Chippy as hell, Ottawa slashing and haxking away at everyonr and anyone with the puck nowhere near, and smith fought Neil. Not really a close fight. Smith got one, maybe two good shots in on him. Can't say I'm happy about that. At least the offense looks decent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Boston is not cheap or dirty nor is Toronto Philly can be cheap and dirty yes. I fail to see your point? They are just physical and that's the point. Ask Habs fans how their playoffs have ended last year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 YFMB is not pleased. 2 BottleOfSmoke and datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) Once again, Holland gets the entirety of the blame for everything bad and none of the credit for anything good. This is a viewpoint divorced from reality. Holland is getting the credit for his early success by still having his job. Any other gm would have lost theres by letting this team stale like he has done. And you can say he gets the credit for drafting but until those players are up actually producing in the league there is nothing to give credit for. If he really trusted his picks he wouldnt keep blocking them by signing useless plugs like Cleary and Quincey Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2 Edited November 24, 2013 by GoalieManPat 1 gowings00 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 They are just physical and that's the point. Ask Habs fans how their playoffs have ended last year... Being a cheap and dirty team doesn't mean you are being a physical team. Unless we in the 80's still??? No. Last year's Habs team got ouclassed and outplayed by a hot goalie in Anderson. I still fail to see your point and I'm done with this convo. Let's go Wings!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 wow Cleary has more ice time than Nyquist, Helm, Tatar, and Weiss.... combined no, but seriously- wtf Babs!? in other news, Kyle Quincey is -2, making him -14 on the year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukToZetterberg 128 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Weiss playing tonight? How does he look? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 wow Cleary has more ice time than Nyquist, Helm, Tatar, and Weiss.... combined no, but seriously- wtf Babs!? No he doesn't... I'm not sure what boxscore you're looking at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 wow Cleary has more ice time than Nyquist, Helm, Tatar, and Weiss.... combined no, but seriously- wtf Babs!? in other news, Kyle Quincey is -2, making him -14 on the year huh? Cleary has played 10:58 Nyquist has played 10:27 Weiss has played 9:18 Helm has played 9:11 Tatar has played 8:50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) No he doesn't... I'm not sure what boxscore you're looking at. it's the TSN one guess it could be wrong hell, I hope it is wrong huh? Cleary has played 10:58 Nyquist has played 10:27 Weiss has played 9:18 Helm has played 9:11 Tatar has played 8:50 it was a joke, about the combined thing- that's why it was in Italics Edited November 24, 2013 by datterberg1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Now, this is a must score 5on3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 Ok...gotta do something on this 5 on 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 No way we win if we don't score here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MotorCityMadness 388 Report post Posted November 24, 2013 2nd 5 on 3 of the night...better score Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
