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#1 Motown4013

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 10:12 PM

This season has been such a roller coaster for even the most seasoned Wings fan. Let's face it....We should be up near 65 points on the year with the talent we have....except we are in a dog fight for a playoff spot, praying for our " big guys" to get healthy. With that being said, I can't remember a season that I have been more emotionally invested in this team I love. It's so easy when you have all the cogs in the wheel to expect greatness. DEMAND wins. In certain years, one loss was a huge deal because we have seen this team be so dominant for so many years.

Saturday nights game made me realize how all of the injuries and all of the uncertainty has perhaps been a blessing in disguise. Sounds lame? Perhaps...but I have never been so happy for some of the young men on this team who have really stepped up. Acknowledge how much character is on this roster. I no longer expect a win....I REALLY want one and the victory somehow is a bit sweeter when we get one. I think of Tatar who plays like he is shot from a cannon every night...even the night after he found out his dad died. He is so fun to watch....and without injuries, he would have been a healthy scratch and we wouldn't have the opportunity to see his heart and how big it really is.

Guys like the Monster who was terrible last year is one of the reasons we are even in the wild card race. He has been fantastic and I am so happy for him that he has been able to resurrect his career. Jurco, Shehan, Mrazk and Glenny have all shown that the future is bright in Hockeytown. We have a ton of talent, character and heart on this team and we are finding in the most unusual places. I'm really proud of this team and although it's been a train wreck of year for injuries, it's shown the fans of this team that we can and will be contenders for years to come.

Ok, that's my warm fuzzy for today.
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 10:15 PM

I thought last year would teach Holland and Babcock that the youth movement was ready.

 

Unfortunately, it took a bunch of injuries to get guys like Sheahan or Jurco in the lineup.  And Nyquist wasn't playing early on in the season, while old fools like Cleary, Bertuzzi and Sammy were getting gametime.  

 

It's a blessing in disguise based on what happens next offseason.  If it's more of the same, then it's hard to feel upbeat about the future.  Holland and Babcock need to cut bait and not feel like loyalty should come before contribution.  

 

I do like what I see from some of these youngsters, though.  


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 10:20 PM

I thought last year would teach Holland and Babcock that the youth movement was ready.
 
Unfortunately, it took a bunch of injuries to get guys like Sheahan or Jurco in the lineup.  And Nyquist wasn't playing early on in the season, while old fools like Cleary, Bertuzzi and Sammy were getting gametime.  
 
It's a blessing in disguise based on what happens next offseason.  If it's more of the same, then it's hard to feel upbeat about the future.  Holland and Babcock need to cut bait and not feel like loyalty should come before contribution.  
 
I do like what I see from some of these youngsters, though.

Agreed. When Cleary, Sammy and Bert come of the books, we can actually play guys full time that deserve the spot!
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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:23 PM

I enjoyed this post, and there are a few important facts. Biggest one for me is getting a look at the younglings that we otherwise wouldn't have for potentially years had we not been suffering these injuries all year. Sheahan absolutely would not have played a single game this year, but now that he has, he's already beginning to look like a roster player that we otherwise wouldn't have a clue of how ready he is to play. Tatar in a bigger role is producing and it makes me feel a bit more comfortable in the future if we do have more injuries that some can step up and deliver. 

 

It's a situation of making the best out of the worst, every win is important, and what our kids are doing is vital to their future. Things could be so much worse right now, I keep trying to remind myself of that.


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 01:25 AM

With our regular guys injured it gives room for our prospects to grow and learn in the NHL quickly without having to worry about the cap. It's almost deliberate.
Or, we're just unlucky ;)

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 02:13 AM

Sheahan looks more ready than jurco, and jurco only looked a little out of place vs the rangers and last game vs the kings once maybe twice a game.

Sheahan absolutely should be on the team full time now, and theres no way he's not here next season, and as much as I love and want him to stay jurcos waiver exempt and could use the dominant line time in gr.

But imagine having a healthy center lineup of Pav, weiss, helm, and sheahan. As good as Andy is on the p.k. I think itd be dumb to say he's half as good as sheahan.
And even if Weiss doesn't pan out or doesn't stay healthy, glendennings a good fourth line c, with real good pk skills and he's got grit, and something Andy doesnt have especially, speed.
I'm excited.
But worried with what they'll end up doing.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 07:36 AM

The young movement is a great thing, but as long as the front office keeps bringing back over the hill vets they won't get much playingtime (safe for injuries of course).

 

But I agree, seeing Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan and Jurco competing hard every shift is really nice. I wouldn't talk about contender status right now, there are too many holes on the defense and the team still lacks a pure goalscorer - as has been the case since Hossa left - so personally I expect at least two more years of "retooling", till this team can be considered a contender again IF Holland/next GM can replace Z and Pasha via UFA.

 

Despite the young movement, the team needs a new identity hopefully this also starts next year with a real fourth line.

 

as for Weiss to me he is a buyout candidate alongside Mule


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 08:55 AM

The young movement is a great thing, but as long as the front office keeps bringing back over the hill vets they won't get much playingtime (safe for injuries of course).
 
But I agree, seeing Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan and Jurco competing hard every shift is really nice. I wouldn't talk about contender status right now, there are too many holes on the defense and the team still lacks a pure goalscorer - as has been the case since Hossa left - so personally I expect at least two more years of "retooling", till this team can be considered a contender again IF Holland/next GM can replace Z and Pasha via UFA.
 
Despite the young movement, the team needs a new identity hopefully this also starts next year with a real fourth line.
 
as for Weiss to me he is a buyout candidate alongside Mule

For the record if we choose to buy out Weiss well still be responsible for around 2 million a year for the remainder of his contract.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 10:18 AM

For the record if we choose to buy out Weiss well still be responsible for around 2 million a year for the remainder of his contract.

 

I'd be fine with this. There will be enough cheap young RFA kids coming up over the next five years to keep the cap hit managable.

 

Another option would be to trade Weiss and eat some salary.


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 11:23 AM

It just too bad it's been the "wrong" people out. Imagine these kids with a healthy Pav, Mule, Ericsson, Helm... Subtract the dead weight and we have a very dangerous lineup. (Maybe not dangerous but at least competitive)

This might be getting a little heated. Just know I don't hate any of you guys.

 

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In fact, if you confront my ideas & opinions, that will lead to a discussion. (We're on a discussion board after all. Don't forget that!)

 

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 11:28 AM

I thought last year would teach Holland and Babcock that the youth movement was ready.

 

Unfortunately, it took a bunch of injuries to get guys like Sheahan or Jurco in the lineup.  And Nyquist wasn't playing early on in the season, while old fools like Cleary, Bertuzzi and Sammy were getting gametime.  

 

It's a blessing in disguise based on what happens next offseason.  If it's more of the same, then it's hard to feel upbeat about the future.  Holland and Babcock need to cut bait and not feel like loyalty should come before contribution.  

 

I do like what I see from some of these youngsters, though.  

 

Exactly. There's no stopping Holland from resigning Bertuzzi and Cleary. Bert because of his "size" and Cleary because they probably promised him an extension based on the fact that he took a "discount" this year. To that, I add " :confused: ".


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 11:36 AM

 

I'd be fine with this. There will be enough cheap young RFA kids coming up over the next five years to keep the cap hit managable.

 

Another option would be to trade Weiss and eat some salary.

 

Yeah rather pay 2 m for Weiss and use the 3 m to get a big body physical third line center, who knows his roll and works hard every shift and can be trusted to do some second line duties if needed.


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 12:05 PM

Like it has been mentioned, I'll have to believe it when I see it.

 

I'll be at full optimism mode when Bertuzzi, Cleary, Samuelsson, Quincey, etc. are no longer on the team.

 

We have been scorned by the Holland/Babcock duo enough to lead us to not be sure what to expect. I thought there wasn't a chance in hell that Cleary would be back. And then the season started, and Tatar was sitting while Cleary was falling over his own feet.

 

They do a lot of head scratching things, so I dunno...



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 12:06 PM

Like I've said before, vets like Cleary, Sammy and Bert were brought back just for scenarios like this, where their leadership and offensive contribution would be helpful to an injury riddled team.  That's the only thing I can envision Holland thinking.  

 

Unfortunately, those guys have done nothing to help while others have been out of the lineup.  


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 12:13 PM

I don't know if I have anything intelligent to add, but I agree with the OP and others - the best things about being a Wings fan these days are the young players. Stats are one thing, but as a spectator you can't help but notice them on the ice. Speed, skill, energy, hustle... they all stand out. 

 

I don't understand why the Wings have held on to the rookie training wheels mentality for so long (as well as the keep the old guys forever mentality). When we had unlimited funds to spend it made sense to keep the kids in GR for years and years waiting for them to reach a level worthy of playing with Yzerman, Lidstrom... and so on. Yes, some kids need time to develop, but plenty offer the kind of drive and hunger that is sorely lacking on our bench. Why shouldn't every single player be competing for their job? It is easy to imagine that some of our underperforming veterans would play differently if there was someone else gunning for their job.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 12:25 PM

It just too bad it's been the "wrong" people out.

 

LOL, I'm embarrassed to say that I've thought about this as well.

 

Pav was having seemingly a career year and he goes down, but Cleary has stayed healthy all year? Mule was starting to heat up then gets hurt, but Quincey has been available to lead the team in penalties and play every game? Cool....

 

Ok, I'm done being an insensitive jerk...



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 12:27 PM

 

Yeah rather pay 2 m for Weiss and use the 3 m to get a big body physical third line center, who knows his roll and works hard every shift and can be trusted to do some second line duties if needed.

 

Yeah. If Weiss can't get healthy and regain his old form, I'd want him gone just to free up roster space. We'd still need a second line center though, so that problem isn't going away.

 

That third line center you speak of could very well be Sheahan.


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 01:16 PM

 

as for Weiss to me he is a buyout candidate alongside Mule

Buy out Mule lol?? Our 25-30 goal scorer who gets paid peanuts compared to other players of his caliber (3.95 million)

I can understand that some people give Franzen slack because he could be more consistent sometimes. But to ever consider giving up a player this good for 3.9 a year is insane. Franzen was phenomenal and carried this team through injury's before he himself got hurt.

Good thing Holland doesn't listen to any of you guys or Yzerman would snag Franzen and Tampa Bay would be winning a cup with the players he snagged from us, who happened to be guys these forums wanted gone.

 

 

As good as Andy is on the p.k. I think itd be dumb to say he's half as good as sheahan.

Andersson is 7th in points for forward scoring and one of the few people who managed to stay healthy. I have no idea how you can consider Sheahan who only only scored 36 points in 72 games with Grand Rapids last year better than Andy. Sheahan has a higher point pace in the NHL than he did in the AHL, Do you really think that's going to last? Just because he happened to show up on the stat sheet a few times early don't start considering a player with a few games better than proven players.
 



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 01:20 PM

 

Andersson is 7th in points for forward scoring and one of the few people who managed to stay healthy. I have no idea how you can consider Sheahan who only only scored 36 points in 72 games with Grand Rapids last year better than Andy. Sheahan has a higher point pace in the NHL than he did in the AHL, Do you really think that's going to last? Just because he happened to show up on the stat sheet a few times early don't start considering a player with a few games better than proven players.
 

 

Keep in mind that there is a lot more to a players game than the stat sheet, and points totals. Sheahan is making a really good name for himself, and some will have to go to make room for him sooner than later.


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Posted 20 January 2014 - 01:24 PM

Buy out Mule lol?? Our 25-30 goal scorer who gets paid peanuts compared to other players of his caliber (3.95 million)

I can understand that some people give Franzen slack because he could be more consistent sometimes. But to ever consider giving up a player this good for 3.9 a year is insane. Franzen was phenomenal and carried this team through injury's before he himself got hurt.

Good thing Holland doesn't listen to any of you guys or Yzerman would snag Franzen and Tampa Bay would be winning a cup with the players he snagged from us, who happened to be guys these forums wanted gone.

 

Andersson is 7th in points for forward scoring and one of the few people who managed to stay healthy. I have no idea how you can consider Sheahan who only only scored 36 points in 72 games with Grand Rapids last year better than Andy. Sheahan has a higher point pace in the NHL than he did in the AHL, Do you really think that's going to last? Just because he happened to show up on the stat sheet a few times early don't start considering a player with a few games better than proven players.
 

 

Andersson is out right now with a lower body injury. So that's not true.

 

I generally agree with everything else. The thing with Sheahan though is that he projects to be the better player. He has more upside.


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