Richdg 267 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 As you watch the game tonight, leep an eye on #7 for NJ. That is pending UFA Dman Mark Fayne. He is 27 this summer, RHed, 6-3/210 and would be a great UFA pick up for us to pair with Dekeyser. No he is not a great O Dman, but he is one of NJ's best defensive Dman. if we could land him for say 5 years/15-20 million that would be an awesome pickup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind 363 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) As long as Quincey's gone I'd take Brett Lebda back. No, no! Kenny it was just a joke. But Quincey really has to go so he doesn't ruin DeKeyser from long-term exposure. Edited March 8, 2014 by Nevermind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 But Quincey really has to go so he doesn't ruin DeKeyser from long-term exposure. Playing with Quincey--the hockey equivalent of huffing paint. 2 Bully76 and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 Dekeyser-Fayne as the 2nd? pair would be a major improvement. Having a solid D partner would allow DD a chance to develop as an offensive player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind 363 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 Playing with Quincey--the hockey equivalent of huffing paint. But without the high. 2 Bully76 and BottleOfSmoke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 But without the high. Kyle Quincey--all of the brain cell death, none of the satisfaction! 2 Bully76 and Nevermind reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 Dekeyser-Fayne as the 2nd? pair would be a major improvement. Having a solid D partner would allow DD a chance to develop as an offensive player. Why would you pair our only RHed Dmen lol? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Why would you pair our only RHed Dmen lol? Dekeyser? Edited March 8, 2014 by WingsallTheway 1 number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 I see what your saying, but I think we need a number 1 Dman: Kronner is a great number 2, Erock and DeKeyser as second pairing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 If we could add Boyle or Markov this offseason.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 I still feel putting smith with kronwall and e with dekeyser is our best bet. Smith looked good with kronwall or you could out smith with dekeyser but I like that less cause they're both developing and I believe would both benefit themselves and the team by being paired with kronwall and e. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 I see what your saying, but I think we need a number 1 Dman: Kronner is a great number 2, Erock and DeKeyser as second pairing. List all defensemen better than Kronwall. Aaaaaaaand go. 1 Nev reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 List all defensemen better than Kronwall. Aaaaaaaand go. List all "available" Dmen better than Kronwall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themcityblues 249 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 Quincey is a -7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nawein 324 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 If people keep calling Kronner a number 2 I might lose it. He's our number one, he was Sweden's number one, he'd be a number one on over half the teams in the league. He's not a superstar or a legend, but he's a legit number one defenseman. If you honestly can't see the difference then, well, I don't know. 3 Nev, number9 and Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 List all defensemen better than Kronwall. Aaaaaaaand go. Bobby Orr Nicklas Lidstrom Zenglebert Bembledack I don't understand why we didn't trade Cleary and a 4th rounder for one of them at the deadline this is utter bulls*** Am I doing this right? 3 number9, T.Low and Nev reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) List all "available" Dmen better than Kronwall Ok, I agree with Holland that we need a top pairing Dman. We will not win a Cup with Kronner and Ericsson as top pairing. Edited March 8, 2014 by T.Low Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 I'll be the first to admit that for the last year or two I've said kronwall isn't a number one. But he has stepped up a lot and is a numer one. He isn't elite by any means and there is about 10 guys maybe 15 better than him. But all things considered he isn't the issue. Also for the guys better than kronwall they won't be traded anyways so that's not even a pipe dream worth having. I still believe our top four would be fine if smith was in it instead of Quincey but well we got the babs. I'd be ok with moving any of the four guys in my top 4 if it landed is an equal skill level guy that is righty if not then stick with them as they will do well....once Quincey is gone.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 what makes you a number 1 dman? just points? like the norris get the most points as a defensemen and win the norris. theres maybe a few better then him suter weber chara cause their defensive game. but hes as good as most other top guys in the league i wouldnt mind adding 2 guys. keep kronwall E deke smith. add a offensive and shutdown guy. but theres not many choices come july 1st. i would like a big young guy like mark fayne. add a guy like ernoff and you got yourself a damn good defense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 what makes you a number 1 dman? just points? like the norris get the most points as a defensemen and win the norris. theres maybe a few better then him suter weber chara cause their defensive game. but hes as good as most other top guys in the league i wouldnt mind adding 2 guys. keep kronwall E deke smith. add a offensive and shutdown guy. but theres not many choices come july 1st. i would like a big young guy like mark fayne. add a guy like ernoff and you got yourself a damn good defense IMO i think we need a puck mover, so yes a point guy, but even a corvo or zidlicky type guy would be good. I expect Kindl Smith to take steps forward next year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 IMO i think we need a puck mover, so yes a point guy, but even a corvo or zidlicky type guy would be good. I expect Kindl Smith to take steps forward next year While Zidlicky is a good defenseman, seeing him this week kind of makes me uneasy of him ever being a Red Wing. He was all over the place in a negative kind of way. He was caught out of position many times due to bad pinching decisions. I do not believe he is what this team needs. Fayne on the other hand could help our defensive core...just as long as Quincey goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 Dekeyser is not RHed, he is a lefty. That is why Fayne makes a ton of sense. with Fayne being 27 and Dekeyser being 24? they should be a good pair for 7 or 8 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) List all defensemen better than Kronwall. Aaaaaaaand go. Since you asked..... Hjalmersson Keith Seabrook Suter Weber Shattinkirk Pietrangelo Fowler? Doughty OEL Yandle? J Johnson McDonagh Girardi martin? Orpik Letang-pre stroke Carlsson Chara Subban karlsson Hedman Gudas Phanenf Now some are clear cut and some it is personnel preferences-better on O or on D. But of those 24, they only one that Kronwall would be able to bring back in a trade by himself is Letang due to his stroke. Now in some cases the talent is close and age/contract becomes a bigger factor. But yes, that is 24 guys of the top-(ok it took me 5 mins) that are feel are better than Kronwall. A year from now the list will change again as older players decline and young guys develop. Bogo could move ahead, Dekeyser will move ahead, Braun with SJ, etc.... Biggest issue however is, none of these guys are available. Edited March 8, 2014 by Richdg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind 363 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Since you asked..... Hjalmersson--No Keith--Yes Seabrook--No, not offensively Suter--Yes Weber--Yes Shattinkirk--No Pietrangelo--Yes Fowler?--Not yet Doughty--Yes, but not defensively OEL--Not yet Yandle?--No, not defensively J Johnson--No, no hockey sense at all McDonagh--Comparable Girardi--No, not offensively martin?--No, not offensively Orpik--Hell no Letang-pre stroke--No, fourth forward Carlsson--Not yet Chara--Yes Subban--Yes, but not defensively karlsson--Yes, but not defensively Hedman--No Gudas--No way hahahahahah Phanenf--No, ask a Leafs fan But yes, that is 24 guys of the top-(ok it took me 5 mins) that are feel are better than Kronwall. Different doesn't necessarily mean better. Edited March 8, 2014 by Nevermind 2 nawein and Nev reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted March 8, 2014 Too many people say "number 1 defenceman" when they actually mean Franchise Defenceman. And you've got fingers to spare if you start counting those guys. 1 BottleOfSmoke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites