2015 Draft

[Richdg 267]

Here is Greenway:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=737898

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

Greenway is going in the 1st round.

[Richdg 267]

Greenway is going in the 1st round.

Should. He is in the late 1st early second range. Most mock drafts have him between 24 and 38th.

[Richdg 267]

One of the ways I like to look at the draft is to go forward 5 years and look at what our team could be. We never know about trades, UFA's, and of course we hope everyone progresses. If that happens, what does our team look like come the summer of 2020? Here is what I see:

LW:

Mantha 6-4/225 25 years old

Nyquist 5-11/185, 30

Jurco 6-1/205, 27

Bertuzzi 6-1/195, 25

McKee 6-5/255, 26

C:

Larkin 6-2/205, 23

AA 6-2/205, 25

Sheahan 6-2/210, 28

Glendening 5-11/195, 31

RW:

Tatar 5-10/185, 29

Nastasiak 6-2/205, 25

Pulk 5-11/190, 28

Abby 6-1/210, 33

LHD:

Dekeyser 6-3/200, 30

Smith 6-2/210, 31

Oullett 6-1/200, 26

Lashoff 6-3/220, 30

RHD:

Sproul 6-4/215, 27

Marchenko 6-3/215, 28

Jensen 6-0/200, 29

G:

Mrasek 6-1/190, 28

Paterson 6-1/190, 26

That makes 13 forwards-1 short, 7 D, and 2 G. The only big money contractt hat will still be on the books is Z's. It expires in 2021. I have no idea if he is still playing 5 years from now. All the other big money contracts shoud be gone: Datsyuk, Weiss, Franzen, Kronwall, Ericsson, and Howard.

Of course we are 1 f short at this point. McKee is also more a hope than anything and we will need a replacement for Abby at this point as well. Baring a major downturn in our performence were we end up with some top 10 picks, the 18, 19 and 20 drafts will be too close to 2020 to have much impact yet. Most will still be developing in the minors/college.

Yes we currently have 9 other F's that have yet to show what they can do: Ehn, Holmstrom, Hudon, Kadiykin, Melen, Nosek, Pope, Turgeon, and Vaharalo. On D there are 5 guys: Hicketts, Marshall, McNulty, Wheaton, and DeHaas. At G there is one: Perry. There are several guys that are at or close to being waiver causlties: Callahan, Fererro, Frk, Tvrdon, Nedemolel, McCullom, and Coreau. Any of these guys could still turn into a player that impacts the 23 man roster posted above.

This means the 15, 16, and 17 drafts are were we will find players to impact the above.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

One of the ways I like to look at the draft is to go forward 5 years and look at what our team could be. We never know about trades, UFA's, and of course we hope everyone progresses. If that happens, what does our team look like come the summer of 2020? Here is what I see:

LW:

Mantha 6-4/225 25 years old

Nyquist 5-11/185, 30

Jurco 6-1/205, 27

Bertuzzi 6-1/195, 25

McKee 6-5/255, 26

C:

Larkin 6-2/205, 23

AA 6-2/205, 25

Sheahan 6-2/210, 28

Glendening 5-11/195, 31

RW:

Tatar 5-10/185, 29

Nastasiak 6-2/205, 25

Pulk 5-11/190, 28

Abby 6-1/210, 33

LHD:

Dekeyser 6-3/200, 30

Smith 6-2/210, 31

Oullett 6-1/200, 26

Lashoff 6-3/220, 30

RHD:

Sproul 6-4/215, 27

Marchenko 6-3/215, 28

Jensen 6-0/200, 29

G:

Mrasek 6-1/190, 28

Paterson 6-1/190, 26

That makes 13 forwards-1 short, 7 D, and 2 G. The only big money contractt hat will still be on the books is Z's. It expires in 2021. I have no idea if he is still playing 5 years from now. All the other big money contracts shoud be gone: Datsyuk, Weiss, Franzen, Kronwall, Ericsson, and Howard.

Of course we are 1 f short at this point. McKee is also more a hope than anything and we will need a replacement for Abby at this point as well. Baring a major downturn in our performence were we end up with some top 10 picks, the 18, 19 and 20 drafts will be too close to 2020 to have much impact yet. Most will still be developing in the minors/college.

Yes we currently have 9 other F's that have yet to show what they can do: Ehn, Holmstrom, Hudon, Kadiykin, Melen, Nosek, Pope, Turgeon, and Vaharalo. On D there are 5 guys: Hicketts, Marshall, McNulty, Wheaton, and DeHaas. At G there is one: Perry. There are several guys that are at or close to being waiver causlties: Callahan, Fererro, Frk, Tvrdon, Nedemolel, McCullom, and Coreau. Any of these guys could still turn into a player that impacts the 23 man roster posted above.

This means the 15, 16, and 17 drafts are were we will find players to impact the above.

Both Helm and Abby will only be 33 in 5 years. I think these 2 will definitely still be around as the veterans with Z. Ericsson will be 36 in 5 years and I think he has a good chance to still be around. Maybe even the 36 year old Miller.

Also, McKee has been playing Defence at Western Michigan and I doubt that Lashoff will still be around.

Edited May 17, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Last I heard McKee was moved to wing and still couldn't play regularly.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Last I heard McKee was moved to wing and still couldn't play regularly.

I must have missed that. But, yeah he has an uphill battle and I doubt he figures in the future.

[Richdg 267]

Last I heard McKee was moved to wing and still couldn't play regularly.

He played 34 out of 37 games. Had a couple of goals and an assist. Lead the team in PIM's with 82. Played LW and D for the Broncos.

Both Helm and Abby will only be 33 in 5 years. I think these 2 will definitely still be around as the veterans with Z. Ericsson will be 36 in 5 years and I think he has a good chance to still be around. Maybe even the 36 year old Miller.

Also, McKee has been playing Defence at Western Michigan and I doubt that Lashoff will still be around.

Helm and Abby are both UFA's next year. Will he be resigned? 3.5-4 million per year for a checking forward? If and it is a big if, we make a trade or 2 this summer he might very well be a guy on the move. Yes Ericsson will be 36,but will he still be around? All those young Dmen become waiver eligable next summer. they have to be on the roster or lost. Some may get moved. It will be interesting to see who stays and who goes. While I like Big E, I also think he is replaceable at a lower cost.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I do think helm and abdelkader will be resigned and be life long wings ... I think miller will/should be gone when his contract ends ... I'd personally replace him now with a bigger body on the 4th to go with glendening and Ferraro next season (I know it won't happen though)

[number9 3,297]

I do think helm and abdelkader will be resigned and be life long wings ... I think miller will/should be gone when his contract ends ... I'd personally replace him now with a bigger body on the 4th to go with glendening and Ferraro next season (I know it won't happen though)

I think everyone underestimates what Miller does for this team. If he was expendable we would have traded him over Eaves (eaves being RH). I love me some Miller time.

[Richdg 267]

Now if we take the 22 guys I listed for the 2020 team, yes just names on a wall, let's add the 15 draft to it. If we stand pat we have our 1st and dallas's 3rd. Just some options:

We could go Greenway 6-5/225 LH LW who would be 22, and then add a Dman like Jonas Siegenthaler 6-2/220 LH D with the 3rd round pick.

OR

Something like Meloche 6-2/200 RH D in the 1st and then a guy like Forsbacka-Karlsson 6-1/190 RH C in the 3rd-yes a Swedish C that is a strong 2 way player or a big wing like Ahl 6-4/215 LH LW.

Either way works to add more talent and depth.

I think everyone underestimates what Miller does for this team. If he was expendable we would have traded him over Eaves (eaves being RH). I love me some Miller time.

agreed. But by 2020 he is 37ish and could very well be working on his golf game full time.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I think everyone underestimates what Miller does for this team. If he was expendable we would have traded him over Eaves (eaves being RH). I love me some Miller time.

Just wanna see a big body on the 4th line and I don't see glendening going anywhere and after Ferraro playing late in the year and the playoffs i think he'll play as well

Millers been here awhile already ... I'm just more willing to let him go to add a big body at the bottom

Oh and richdg

What's with this 2020 stuff??

Who knows who'll be a redwing or a bust or traded or not signed let's just try and draft the players we think are the best when the time comes on draft say and we'll deal with everything that happens season by season

And I'm not sure siegenthaler will be around at 73

Edited May 18, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

If Callahan is healthy, I could see him beating Ferraro out for the third spot on the 4th line.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

This Bertuzzi kid could make a decent 4 liner too.

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

This Bertuzzi kid could make a decent 4 liner too.

I'd rather he develop in grand rapids and get taught to be a top six guy.

But yeah, he could probably come in and play well now on the fourth line.

He's fast, the tenacious, physical, and can pk.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I hope you're right jimmy, but with Callahan being injured for the latter half of last season, and Ferraro impressing in the last dozen games, there's no question he now has the edge going into training camp. There might not be room for both but there's no question in my mind that both are a significant upgrade over Andersson, so I will be pissed to see one of them scratched or waived in favor of Andersson... Re-sign Landon and Mitch and let Joakim walk...

As for the draft, we trade back almost every single year to grab an extra pick, with the glut of prospects we have I think we should be thinking quality over quantity, and trade up this year. I have no idea what it would take to move up around 9 or 10 but I'd love if we could and take Zach Werenski. I'm not sure if this would be enough but I'd offer a package something like...

SJS - 2015 1st (19th overall), 2016 2nd, Jakub Kindl, Xavier Ouellet

DET - 2015 1st (9th overall)

[Richdg 267]

Little info on Greenway and meloche:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2465373-ranking-the-toughest-prospects-in-the-2015-nhl-draft&ei=QddZVcmJO8uisAW2rYHABQ&usg=AFQjCNH8VCEBqG_qjKdZlZTod-CaBYtEqw

They are the 5th and 6th toughest prospects in this years draft. Yes please!

I hope you're right jimmy, but with Callahan being injured for the latter half of last season, and Ferraro impressing in the last dozen games, there's no question he now has the edge going into training camp. There might not be room for both but there's no question in my mind that both are a significant upgrade over Andersson, so I will be pissed to see one of them scratched or waived in favor of Andersson... Re-sign Landon and Mitch and let Joakim walk...

As for the draft, we trade back almost every single year to grab an extra pick, with the glut of prospects we have I think we should be thinking quality over quantity, and trade up this year. I have no idea what it would take to move up around 9 or 10 but I'd love if we could and take Zach Werenski. I'm not sure if this would be enough but I'd offer a package something like...

SJS - 2015 1st (19th overall), 2016 2nd, Jakub Kindl, Xavier Ouellet

DET - 2015 1st (9th overall)

If we are moving up that far, I would want Pavel Zacha the C. 6-3/210 with the complete package. Think Hanzel with offensive skills. Last year when I did the 2014 draft, he and Miko ratannen (spelling) were 2 guys i loved then. If either were to drop or we move up........

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I hope you're right jimmy, but with Callahan being injured for the latter half of last season, and Ferraro impressing in the last dozen games, there's no question he now has the edge going into training camp. There might not be room for both but there's no question in my mind that both are a significant upgrade over Andersson, so I will be pissed to see one of them scratched or waived in favor of Andersson... Re-sign Landon and Mitch and let Joakim walk...

As for the draft, we trade back almost every single year to grab an extra pick, with the glut of prospects we have I think we should be thinking quality over quantity, and trade up this year. I have no idea what it would take to move up around 9 or 10 but I'd love if we could and take Zach Werenski. I'm not sure if this would be enough but I'd offer a package something like...

SJS - 2015 1st (19th overall), 2016 2nd, Jakub Kindl, Xavier Ouellet

DET - 2015 1st (9th overall)

I'd be upset if they let him walk over Andy, the thing that has me worried is that he comes into camp off his game a bit since his injury, and he doesn't get the fair chance to beat out Ferraro..

Which depending on what all happens with our forward corps, we might not have a choice to give him his chance here....

And I would LOVE to get Werenski, but I don't think that would move us up to ninth, and even then, he might not even be there still, but I'd be fine with that deal.

He'd be my ideal pick, but more than likely we'll trade back and get a 2nd rounder or two, plus another mid round pick.

Edited May 18, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[krsmith17 7,191]

Richdg, Defense >>> Center. Zacha would be a great pick but in that situation I'd take Werenski 10/10 times.

Jimmy, you're right that it may not be enough and I also agree that we will likely move back again to gain another pick, but I just think we should be going for quality over quantity at this point. I mean, we're already likely to lose some players due to an overabundance of prospects in the next year or two. I say trade some pieces away along with picks to get a better player in the draft... But, it's just not Kenny's style. Correct me if I'm wrong but with all the times he's traded back, I don't think he has ever traded up in the first...

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Richdg, Defense >>> Center. Zacha would be a great pick but in that situation I'd take Werenski 10/10 times.

Jimmy, you're right that it may not be enough and I also agree that we will likely move back again to gain another pick, but I just think we should be going for quality over quantity at this point. I mean, we're already likely to lose some players due to an overabundance of prospects in the next year or two. I say trade some pieces away along with picks to get a better player in the draft... But, it's just not Kenny's style. Correct me if I'm wrong but with all the times he's traded back, I don't think he has ever traded up in the first...

I cant recall that happening.

[Richdg 267]

Richdg, Defense >>> Center. Zacha would be a great pick but in that situation I'd take Werenski 10/10 times.

Jimmy, you're right that it may not be enough and I also agree that we will likely move back again to gain another pick, but I just think we should be going for quality over quantity at this point. I mean, we're already likely to lose some players due to an overabundance of prospects in the next year or two. I say trade some pieces away along with picks to get a better player in the draft... But, it's just not Kenny's style. Correct me if I'm wrong but with all the times he's traded back, I don't think he has ever traded up in the first...

Zacha is better than any Dman in this draft. Its not like we don't need #1 C's...... But you are correct in that moving up isn't going to happen.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Personally hope we move back ... Quite a few guys I like ... And I wouldn't trade ouellet to move up

He and marchenko are basically the next guys ready to step up and we don't have enough depth at d incase of injuries or what not ... Jensen is next after him but I think we seen the last of lashoff and sproul isn't ready

[krsmith17 7,191]

Zacha is not better than Hanifin, and it is debatable whether or not he is better or worse than either Provorov or Werenski. With it being so close, and either player with the potential to become a star, as well as the potential to be a bust, I would pick the guy that fills the bigger need. And in my opinion, that is a defenseman.

We have a ton of "depth" at d, the problem is we don't have anybody that projects to be a top pairing defenseman. Sure, we can take our chance at landing one at 19, or we could trade back and have two shots at landing one in the 2nd round, or we can put some pieces together and move up and take a higher percentage shot at a guy like Werenski. I personally like option 3, but like I said, it's not going to happen, so either of the other two are the likely outcome...

[PumpkinEscobar 136]

Werenski is gonna be a beast..that's why I hope Larkin returns to Michigan for 1 more year

Edited May 18, 2015 by PumpkinEscobar

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Zacha is not better than Hanifin, and it is debatable whether or not he is better or worse than either Provorov or Werenski. With it being so close, and either player with the potential to become a star, as well as the potential to be a bust, I would pick the guy that fills the bigger need. And in my opinion, that is a defenseman.

We have a ton of "depth" at d, the problem is we don't have anybody that projects to be a top pairing defenseman. Sure, we can take our chance at landing one at 19, or we could trade back and have two shots at landing one in the 2nd round, or we can put some pieces together and move up and take a higher percentage shot at a guy like Werenski. I personally like option 3, but like I said, it's not going to happen, so either of the other two are the likely outcome...

I'm not gonna say werenski is a gonna be a bust cause nobody can tell the future ... I do know there's been a lot of dmen projected in the top 15 who never became anything which is why I'd prefer falling back and getting as many picks in the top 60 as possible

A top pairing dmen would be amazing and yes much needed but if we got 4-5 good dmen who are 3-4's on most teams and we play a good team game we can still be a good team

On a sidenote if Andersson doesn't come back any possible chance we trade him and can get a 5th to 7th round pick? Just tired of losing guys through waivers for nothing

Edited May 18, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture