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9 hours ago, Richdg said:

So you don't like Gordie Howe? A tough physical player? You get PIM's. Far to many soft fall on the ice types on our team.

As for his points we are 8 games in. Lets wait till half way before we jump to any major conclusions. He is off to a good start-which was my point. Considering he is coming off a broken wrist, a very good start. As for how he scores why do so many care? Scoring 30 goals is scoring 30 goals. Be it even, short handed, or on the PP. Its the total that matters. If we beat a team 3 to 1 with all 3 coming on the PP did we not still win? If we lose 5 to 4 and all 4 came even strength did we not still lose? yes!

I loved Gordie Howe. Care to explain what Gordie has to do with this conversation? I like tough players. I don't like players that hurt their team by taking needless penalties every game. High PIM's are a negative in my book.

I'm not jumping to any "major conclusions"... You're the one that brought up his point totals 8 games in. I'm just saying I'd like to see more out of him. Hopefully he picks it up. A player drafted 9th overall should be able to score in all situations. If we wanted a power-play specialist, we should have drafted him in the 2nd round or later.

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5 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I loved Gordie Howe. Care to explain what Gordie has to do with this conversation? I like tough players. I don't like players that hurt their team by taking needless penalties every game. High PIM's are a negative in my book.

I'm not jumping to any "major conclusions"... You're the one that brought up his point totals 8 games in. I'm just saying I'd like to see more out of him. Hopefully he picks it up. A player drafted 9th overall should be able to score in all situations. If we wanted a power-play specialist, we should have drafted him in the 2nd round or later.

Tough players get PIM's. You want a tough team you are going to have PIM's. We lack toughness as a team and have for 10+ years. We are finally starting to fix that. Rasmussen is part of that fix. I would rather have a team of Howe's than a team of Z's.

Now back to rasmussen, he is doing what we want him to do. He is performing at a high level. That is what I expect. I am not making any huge predictions other than I stated. Lets see how it plays out.

Now his actual numbers show some positives. He is averaging 1.22 pts per game. More assists than goals-he did that 2 years ago as well. He is out performing Vilardi again-to be far Gab is hurt; and Tippett who can't get off of the Panthers bench.

Now I hate comparing players in a draft vs each other. They all go to different teams with different enviroments/strengths/weaknesses..... My point is and remains: Rasmussen is good! He was a good pick!

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6 minutes ago, Richdg said:

Tough players get PIM's. You want a tough team you are going to have PIM's. We lack toughness as a team and have for 10+ years. We are finally starting to fix that. Rasmussen is part of that fix. I would rather have a team of Howe's than a team of Z's.

Now back to rasmussen, he is doing what we want him to do. He is performing at a high level. That is what I expect. I am not making any huge predictions other than I stated. Lets see how it plays out.

Now his actual numbers show some positives. He is averaging 1.22 pts per game. More assists than goals-he did that 2 years ago as well. He is out performing Vilardi again-to be far Gab is hurt; and Tippett who can't get off of the Panthers bench.

Now I hate comparing players in a draft vs each other. They all go to different teams with different enviroments/strengths/weaknesses..... My point is and remains: Rasmussen is good! He was a good pick!

I would take a team of Zetterberg's over a team of Lucic's. What's your point?...

Rasmussen is out performing a player that has yet to play a game this season. Awesome...

I wasn't saying that Rasmussen isn't doing well. I just want to see more out of him this season. If he can get above 1.5 points per game, that would be great.

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On 10/22/2017 at 4:11 PM, Richdg said:

Tough players get PIM's. You want a tough team you are going to have PIM's. We lack toughness as a team and have for 10+ years. We are finally starting to fix that. Rasmussen is part of that fix. I would rather have a team of Howe's than a team of Z's.

Now back to rasmussen, he is doing what we want him to do. He is performing at a high level. That is what I expect. I am not making any huge predictions other than I stated. Lets see how it plays out.

Now his actual numbers show some positives. He is averaging 1.22 pts per game. More assists than goals-he did that 2 years ago as well. He is out performing Vilardi again-to be far Gab is hurt; and Tippett who can't get off of the Panthers bench.

Now I hate comparing players in a draft vs each other. They all go to different teams with different enviroments/strengths/weaknesses..... My point is and remains: Rasmussen is good! He was a good pick!

So do dumb ones.  So do lazy ones.  Are his PIM coming because he's hitting and fighting, because he's taking dumb penalties, or because he's being lazy defensively and using his stick to hook and hold?  Not that Rasmussen really has a ton, 12 PIM in 10 games.  

It's far too early to say for sure Rasmussen was good or bad, but based on what he did in his draft year, I don't like the pick.  He looked more like a David Clarkson type, and that's not what you want from the 9th overall pick when you're rebuilding and need someone who can be an elite player.  12 points in 10 games isn't really fantastic for a guy who was drafted that high and went back to juniors, either.  I'm glad he has some assists, that's encouraging, but it's not dominating either.  75 players have more points.  Most have played more games, but not that many.  Tyler Steenbergen is leading the WHL with 35 points in 13 games.  Four other players are at 30 or better.  He's 4th on his team, again with fewer games, but Jordan Topping has a better PPG average.  Saying he's outperforming a guy who hasn't played in Vilardi so that means he's better is ridiculous.

 

Tippet vs. Rasmussen:  Tippet is in the NHL, Rasmussen is in the WHL.  Comparing their stats isn't even apples and oranges, it's apples and rocks.

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5 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

So do dumb ones.  So do lazy ones.  Are his PIM coming because he's hitting and fighting, because he's taking dumb penalties, or because he's being lazy defensively and using his stick to hook and hold?  Not that Rasmussen really has a ton, 12 PIM in 10 games.  

It's far too early to say for sure Rasmussen was good or bad, but based on what he did in his draft year, I don't like the pick.  He looked more like a David Clarkson type, and that's not what you want from the 9th overall pick when you're rebuilding and need someone who can be an elite player.  12 points in 10 games isn't really fantastic for a guy who was drafted that high and went back to juniors, either.  I'm glad he has some assists, that's encouraging, but it's not dominating either.  75 players have more points.  Most have played more games, but not that many.  Tyler Steenbergen is leading the WHL with 35 points in 13 games.  Four other players are at 30 or better.  He's 4th on his team, again with fewer games, but Jordan Topping has a better PPG average.  Saying he's outperforming a guy who hasn't played in Vilardi so that means he's better is ridiculous.

 

Tippet vs. Rasmussen:  Tippet is in the NHL, Rasmussen is in the WHL.  Comparing their stats isn't even apples and oranges, it's apples and rocks.

Tippett is on the bench not playing. The worst thing for development. btw i like tippett would have happy with either guy.

interesting that you mention steenbergen. a guy that has been passed over in 2 drafts. think about that.

back to rasmussen i like to go back to the preseason when we played the blackhawks and he was matched up vs toews and amisamov and held his own. won faceoffs vs those guys scored etc...

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15 minutes ago, Richdg said:

Tippett is on the bench not playing. The worst thing for development. btw i like tippett would have happy with either guy.

interesting that you mention steenbergen. a guy that has been passed over in 2 drafts. think about that.

back to rasmussen i like to go back to the preseason when we played the blackhawks and he was matched up vs toews and amisamov and held his own. won faceoffs vs those guys scored etc...

Tippet is being screwed up.  Send him to juniors or play him.

I've made the point that putting up points in lesser leagues doesn't always mean much.  My point here was that Rasmussen isn't close to being dominant.  As far as the preseason game goes, it was one game with a motivated kid against guys who's concern was getting their timing down and not getting hurt.

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19 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

Tippet is being screwed up.  Send him to juniors or play him.

I've made the point that putting up points in lesser leagues doesn't always mean much.  My point here was that Rasmussen isn't close to being dominant.  As far as the preseason game goes, it was one game with a motivated kid against guys who's concern was getting their timing down and not getting hurt.

He had 4 goals in 5 preseason games - most of any Red wing player or prospect. That is something to be positive about. He had a strong preseason - not just in 1 game. 

Hopefully his production in the WHL picks up even more as the season goes on. He was still dealing with rehab-ing the broken wrist at the beginning of the season.

Side note: Cholowski is outscoring him. It's great to see his production. I was really impressed by him in camp and wondered why his game didn't translate to higher production with St. Cloud last year. Good to see a high scoring D man in the system.

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38 minutes ago, PavelValerievichDatsyuk said:

He had 4 goals in 5 preseason games - most of any Red wing player or prospect. That is something to be positive about. He had a strong preseason - not just in 1 game. 

Hopefully his production in the WHL picks up even more as the season goes on. He was still dealing with rehab-ing the broken wrist at the beginning of the season.

Side note: Cholowski is outscoring him. It's great to see his production. I was really impressed by him in camp and wondered why his game didn't translate to higher production with St. Cloud last year. Good to see a high scoring D man in the system.

I was impressed by Rasmussen in training camp / preseason, but I'd still like to see a lot more out of him in junior. He should be dummying that league right now. He's not at all.

I've become a huge Cholowski fan, but I'd like to see more out of him down there as well. We've been had / have defensemen that put up great numbers in juniors. Sproul was unreal in juniors 5 years ago at the same age, and Hronek put up similar numbers last year, a year younger. If all goes well, Cholowski should be in Grand Rapids next year, and Detroit the year after. Really hoping this kid develops into a top pair defenseman. We sure could use it... Also hoping Rasmussen develops into a number one center, but unfortunately, I don't see that happening...

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There was a story a while back about him being very disappointed that he didn't make the RW's out of camp. They were guessing that might have lead to his slow start.

Now Rasmussen is on fire. up to 1.41 points per game. Startijng to dominate again. 31 pts in 22 games. 16 are goals. That is 108 pts over the full season if my math is correct. I bet he is over 1.50 pts per game by the end of the year.

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2 hours ago, Richdg said:

There was a story a while back about him being very disappointed that he didn't make the RW's out of camp. They were guessing that might have lead to his slow start.

Now Rasmussen is on fire. up to 1.41 points per game. Startijng to dominate again. 31 pts in 22 games. 16 are goals. That is 108 pts over the full season if my math is correct. I bet he is over 1.50 pts per game by the end of the year.

I'd like to see him above that mark, but 1.5 points per game is solid production. He's been hot the past half dozen games (nearly 2 points per game), hopefully he keeps up that sort of pace...

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5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'd like to see him above that mark, but 1.5 points per game is solid production. He's been hot the past half dozen games (nearly 2 points per game), hopefully he keeps up that sort of pace...

The points per game is nice, but he is closing in on nearly 1 goal per game. 16 goals in 22 games. That is the bigger stat for him to me. Put the damn puck in the net big boy! He is!

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Seattle is not too far from tricities, and I have clients in the tricity area, so I've caught a few games.  Kid is absolutely dominant. He is Mantha but with the intangibles. Huge physical player who scores at will and battles away from the puck. Mantha is most comparable to a Franzen type. Ras is more comparable to Shanahan. Who would u rather have? I'll take Shannyn bois

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5 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Seattle is not too far from tricities, and I have clients in the tricity area, so I've caught a few games.  Kid is absolutely dominant. He is Mantha but with the intangibles. Huge physical player who scores at will and battles away from the puck. Mantha is most comparable to a Franzen type. Ras is more comparable to Shanahan. Who would u rather have? I'll take Shannyn bois

I've seen very little of Rasmussen, other than highlights, and one game earlier this season that I was half watching while drinking with a few buddies. I was really hoping to watch him this week in the WJC, but unfortunately he didn't make the Canadian squad. That in itself is a little telling to me... In the little I've seen of him, I haven't seen the player you speak of at all, but maybe it's more noticeable live? I think anyone would chose a Shanahan over Franzen, but I'd be shocked if he ever develops into that level of a player. I really hope you're right on this one 9. We NEED Rasmussen to develop into an elite player.

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4 hours ago, Richdg said:

We need all 5 of Mantha, Larkin, AA, Svechnikov, and Rasmussen to turn into stars. each is different and has different strengths and weaknesses.They balance each other out nicely.

Why can't we just have Datsyuks and Zetterbergs that were good at everything and had zero weaknesses :( 

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2 hours ago, kickazz said:

Why can't we just have Datsyuks and Zetterbergs that were good at everything and had zero weaknesses :( 

Even they were not perfect. Neither had great speed-not saying they were slow, neither was physical and could park in front of a goalie, but their lists were very short when it came to weaknesses.

But its also too early to say any of the young 5 have serious weaknesses. Let's let them finish developing then judge. Z was in his 3rd full season-at age 24, before he exploded. Datsyuk was also in his 3rd full season before he went off at age 25. AA and Mantha are only 23 now with the other 3 21 and younger. Mantha should hit 30+ goals this year in his second full season. So lets enjoy the development! Then decide if any of these 5 have serious shortcomings.

 

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21 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

Not at 9th overall

Fedorov was a #2 behind Yzerman. 

Someone is going to have to be #2 on this team after Larkin (who will likely be our #1 in a year or two). Just because Ras could fill that spot, doesn't mean it's a bad thing as long as we have a legit 1-2 punch down the middle. 

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On 1/2/2018 at 1:35 AM, kickazz said:

Fedorov was a #2 behind Yzerman. 

Someone is going to have to be #2 on this team after Larkin (who will likely be our #1 in a year or two). Just because Ras could fill that spot, doesn't mean it's a bad thing as long as we have a legit 1-2 punch down the middle. 

Malkin is a 2 behind Crosby.

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On 1/1/2018 at 5:30 PM, DickieDunn said:

Not at 9th overall

Really? How many #1 centers do you see going in that area of the draft? Couturier? Nylander? Granlund? Grigorenko? Horvat? Jost? These are all number 1 centers in your mind? You're damn lucky to pull a #2 out of 8-15 in the draft, and you've defied the odds and hit the jackpot if you pull a true #1. I suggest you review your draft history.

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4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Really? How many #1 centers do you see going in that area of the draft? Couturier? Nylander? Granlund? Grigorenko? Horvat? Jost? These are all number 1 centers in your mind? You're damn lucky to pull a #2 out of 8-15 in the draft, and you've defied the odds and hit the jackpot if you pull a true #1. I suggest you review your draft history.

The position doesn't matter. Larkin was 15th and is becoming a #1. Getzlef was 28th IIRC and he is a #1. But at the same time the Oilers have taken a bunch of guys with top 5 picks that were supposed to become #1 C or wingers that haven't.

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2 minutes ago, Richdg said:

The position doesn't matter. Larkin was 15th and is becoming a #1. Getzlef was 28th IIRC and he is a #1. But at the same time the Oilers have taken a bunch of guys with top 5 picks that were supposed to become #1 C or wingers that haven't.

You can pull a #1 C anywhere in the draft, but the chances of that plummet after the top 5 picks

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