Zetterberg's status in 2 years. MOD WARNING PAGE 6

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1 minute ago, NerveDamage said:

there's definitely some troll love there

Yeah, I'm more of an Ogre guy

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10 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yeah, I'm more of an Ogre guy

Shrekfest is this sunday

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10 minutes ago, NerveDamage said:

Shrekfest is this sunday

Does Zetterberg play for Shrek?

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10 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Shame Datysuk and Zberg couldn't go out like Yzerman and Lidstrom. Both shorting their contracts and leaving in controversy. It's indicative of the state of the team at the moment IMO.

I really hope Holland has applied the same retool concept to the front office. We need fresh vision. Unfortunately Draper, Maltby, Cleary feels like clinging to the scraps of a dying era. The Yzerman's, Fedorov's, Shanahan's, have already moved to other pastures.

I've been very happy with Holland's surprising trade/rebuild ability, but we need a clear vision/path-forward soon whether that involves Holland or not.

And here I thought u and kick were friends conspiring and all. Trolls gotta troll amirite?

How the hell is "the back issues I've had for years are making it impossible to get ready for the season" controversy?

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1 minute ago, DickieDunn said:

How the hell is "the back issues I've had for years are making it impossible to get ready for the season" controversy?

Maybe poor word choice on my part. Zetterberg playing v. not-playing has been the most controversial thing in my life this summer. I don't watch CNN.

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Wonder how Datsyuk’s hockey career is going. Pretty good looks like.

Wonder if Zetterberg can actually lift his kid up and play with him. Guess we’ll find out eventually. In the mean time he’s back in Detroit, putting his health on the line still trying to make it back on the roster. All for a team that has absolutely zero chance of winning the cup and hasn’t had a chance since his back surgery 4 years sgo. Could have quit 2-3 years ago when we sucked. Instead continued playing and the “best prognosis” for him is spinal fusion surgery when he’s around 50 years old. What great prospects knowing you have about 10 more years before they operate on you again and make you less mobile. 

Zetterberg = True Red Wing and Detroiter. Dedicated and loyal till the end. Not to mention he’s done more charity work for the community than anyone in recent years. I’ll be sure to be at the game where they lift his jersey up in the rafters. 

Edited August 29, 2018 by kickazz

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1 hour ago, kickazz said:

Wonder how Datsyuk’s hockey career is going. Pretty good looks like.

Wonder if Zetterberg can actually lift his kid up and play with him. Guess we’ll find out eventually. In the mean time he’s back in Detroit, putting his health on the line still trying to make it back on the roster. All for a team that has absolutely zero chance of winning the cup and hasn’t had a chance since his back surgery 4 years sgo. Could have quit 2-3 years ago when we sucked. Instead continued playing and the “best prognosis” for him is spinal fusion surgery when he’s around 50 years old. What great prospects knowing you have about 10 more years before they operate on you again and make you less mobile. 

Zetterberg = True Red Wing and Detroiter. Dedicated and loyal till the end. Not to mention he’s done more charity work for the community than anyone in recent years. I’ll be sure to be at the game where they lift his jersey up in the rafters. 

He signed a contract he never intended to fulfill, then admitted as much to the media. Even after the alleged return of symptoms in February, with the team out of the playoff race, he continued to play every game, 20+ minutes a night in back to backs, not even reducing his minutes until the middle of march. Never mentioned anything to anyone, not even on his public golfing trip, until it became obvious that trying to retire next summer like he said he was going to would look awfully suspicious. Then he told the press that his everyday life is fine, and it's only hockey that he's allergic to... I mean doesn't have the spine for... I mean is too injured for. And now he's back in Detroit, trying to make it look good because, unlike a 35+ contract, you can't trade away a recapture penalty.

Spin can go both ways.

To be clear, if he wants to retire I fully support his decision. I won't think any less of him, wouldn't even if he were in better health than when he started. I wish him all the best, and I'm glad I had the opportunity to watch and cheer for him all these years. He'll be missed. But I just can't read any of these stories without the sense that there's an implied wink at the end. 

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From what I've gathered, Z isn't in a situation where he can't lift his kid or is suffering through life in the world of hurt, but rather that it's getting harder and harder/impossible for him to do the work to try to get into the best condition for the season.  

To me, it seems very much like the situation that Nick Lidstrom was in.  Could the player still be an effective player in the NHL?  Probably.  Is it harder and harder for the player to get into condition to compete in the NHL?  Yes.  Does every player have, and please don't misconstrue my words here to equate that I think Z is lazy or doesn't have the ability ultimately do it, the drive and ability to do the conditioning it takes to get to that level?  Therein lies the question.

You can question if it's the right thing to do to play out the contract.  ...but that's his decision and I'm sure a decision that's been established with the franchise.  Hell, it's still up in the air anyway.  Maybe he doesn't start the season, but joins after a player or two gets moved?

You can question if it will ultimately help or hurt the team if he plays.  Debatable for sure.  Is it better that he plays and mentors the youngins -- even if he's only a part time player?  Is it better for him to step away and let Larkin or whomever take the C and move into the New Era?  Is it better for the rebuild?

Whatever the decision and whatever the outcome -- nothing but respect to Z, from me.

 

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16 minutes ago, Buppy said:

He signed a contract he never intended to fulfill, then admitted as much to the media. Even after the alleged return of symptoms in February, with the team out of the playoff race, he continued to play every game, 20+ minutes a night in back to backs, not even reducing his minutes until the middle of march. Never mentioned anything to anyone, not even on his public golfing trip, until it became obvious that trying to retire next summer like he said he was going to would look awfully suspicious. Then he told the press that his everyday life is fine, and it's only hockey that he's allergic to... I mean doesn't have the spine for... I mean is too injured for. And now he's back in Detroit, trying to make it look good because, unlike a 35+ contract, you can't trade away a recapture penalty.

Spin can go both ways.

To be clear, if he wants to retire I fully support his decision. I won't think any less of him, wouldn't even if he were in better health than when he started. I wish him all the best, and I'm glad I had the opportunity to watch and cheer for him all these years. He'll be missed. But I just can't read any of these stories without the sense that there's an implied wink at the end. 

The only part of your "spin" is that; lets pretend like he actually can continue to play but is choosing not to because of whatever reason, He's 40 points away from 1000 points just chooses to walk away now? 1000 points club ain't a joke. I'm sure any player would move an arm and leg to be in that range especially when you're that close.

The probability of him (or any player) wanting the 1000 points is probably higher than him (or any player) not wanting it. 

Besides; his quote last year was that they designed the contract to cheat the system and he probably wasn't going to play the last 2 years; not the last 3 years. 

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by kickazz

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Interestingly enough Zetterberg's actual salary starts to drop severely starting this year, from his typical $7 mil+ per year to just over $3 mil

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The realist/cynic in me suspects there is indeed an element of stagecraft here.

At the same time, I do buy that his back is genuinely doneso, at least re: being able to play NHL hockey.

I've had chronic back pain for most of my life. That being said, over the past couple of seasons I've often found myself empathetically cringing when watching Z skate. Dude's upper body is stiff as a board and his legs are absolutely gone, which just makes it all the more impressive that he's been able to do what he has at his age. He's basically been running on smarts and sheer willpower, IMO.

Maybe he's playing it up. Maybe the huge drop in pay is a factor. Whatever the case may be, "Zetterberg is done because he has a bad back" sounds better than "Hossa is done because he's developed a very serious allergy to his equipment."

Edited August 29, 2018 by Dabura

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14 minutes ago, Dabura said:

The realist/cynic in me suspects there is indeed an element of stagecraft here.

At the same time, I do buy that his back is genuinely doneso, at least re: being able to play NHL hockey.

I've had chronic back pain for most of my life. That being said, over the past couple of seasons I've often found myself empathetically cringing when watching Z skate. Dude's upper body is stiff as a board and his legs are absolutely gone, which just makes it all the more impressive that he's been able to do what he has at his age. He's basically been running on smarts and sheer willpower, IMO.

Maybe he's playing it up. Maybe the huge drop in pay is a factor. Whatever the case may be, "Zetterberg is done because he has a bad back" sounds better than "Hossa is done because he's developed a very serious allergy to his equipment."

I'm sure there are some elements where he's thinking "well is it worth it to f*** my  back up some more and make only $3 million? It's not impossible that he's thought that. I just think 40 points to 1000 is a thing and I'm sure he would have loved to hit it. I strongly believe his back was getting worse. These things rarely get better as you get older. Now whether it's bad enough to not play in the NHL for another season; we won't know until they release details. They released details about Franzen's situation like 3 years after the fact? 

Not sure if someone should be criticized for "retiring" with a persistent health issue. Lidstrom's reason for retiring was basically "I don't really feel like going through summer training again". Sounds a lot less interesting than "hey my back has been missing my disc for 4 years and I played through it, I think I might want a break now"

Regardless, the fact that he still played after that surgery is incredible and the org definitely owes him whatever he needs. They didn't just remove a piece of his bone to relieve the pressure. The straight up removed part of his disk. That's a major surgery. He probably went to some hyped up hospital on West of East coast to do it. 

Edited August 29, 2018 by kickazz

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17 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I've had chronic back pain for most of my life. That being said, over the past couple of seasons I've often found myself empathetically cringing when watching Z skate. Dude's upper body is stiff as a board and his legs are absolutely gone, which just makes it all the more impressive that he's been able to do what he has at his age. He's basically been running on smarts and sheer willpower, IMO.

 

Yeah that fight against Fat Buu really f***ed you up huh? 

Edited August 29, 2018 by kickazz

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6 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Yeah that fight against Gohan really f***ed you up huh? 

Remember when Recoome kicked your ass?

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Oh my Captain, labor no more for your work is done. But do not go softly into that good night, but nurture thy lockeroom with your dazzling Zetterbeard.

RIP sweet prince. Praise be.

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18 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Remember when Recoome kicked your ass?

Yo f*** that guy. 

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Hold up, Howe-style comeback confirmation:

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"And there isn’t any more procedures to do on my back. The next thing is fusion, and you want to wait until you are 50 or 60 to do that.”

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1 hour ago, kickazz said:

The only part of your "spin" is that; lets pretend like he actually can continue to play but is choosing not to because of whatever reason, He's 40 points away from 1000 points just chooses to walk away now? 1000 points club ain't a joke. I'm sure any player would move an arm and leg to be in that range especially when you're that close.

The probability of him (or any player) wanting the 1000 points is probably higher than him (or any player) not wanting it. 

Besides; his quote last year was that they designed the contract to cheat the system and he probably wasn't going to play the last 2 years; not the last 3 years. 

Exactly. He said two years. So if he actually retired at that time, it would look suspicious. It had to be either 3 years or 1. 

And 40 points isn't a trivial amount. No guarantee he'd hit it even if he played every game again. He could play, fall short, then spend the rest of his life with a reputation as an admitted cap cheat who captained a proud O6 team from contention into the basement, then renegged on his contract, possibly handcuffing the team with a stiff and unmovable penalty after trying to pretend that his injuries just coincidentally resurfaced at the exact time he said he wanted to retire. 

Or walk away now, and have everyone think he's a hero, bask in the sympathy from all the people so concerned that while he can play golf and do any normal things, maybe the rigors of NHL hockey are little more than he can take. How will he ever be able to tolerate life retiring before he's 40, probably in less discomfort than an average guy his age, and he's only been compensated like $80 million. Poor Z. What a warrior.

If I would have tried to play hockey at his age I would probably have died. No one would've called me a warrior. Probably say, "A McDonalds with a PlayPlace doesn't count as 'going to the gym', dumb fatass". 

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1 hour ago, Buppy said:

Exactly. He said two years. So if he actually retired at that time, it would look suspicious. It had to be either 3 years or 1. 

And 40 points isn't a trivial amount. No guarantee he'd hit it even if he played every game again. He could play, fall short, then spend the rest of his life with a reputation as an admitted cap cheat who captained a proud O6 team from contention into the basement, then renegged on his contract, possibly handcuffing the team with a stiff and unmovable penalty after trying to pretend that his injuries just coincidentally resurfaced at the exact time he said he wanted to retire. 

Or walk away now, and have everyone think he's a hero, bask in the sympathy from all the people so concerned that while he can play golf and do any normal things, maybe the rigors of NHL hockey are little more than he can take. How will he ever be able to tolerate life retiring before he's 40, probably in less discomfort than an average guy his age, and he's only been compensated like $80 million. Poor Z. What a warrior.

If I would have tried to play hockey at his age I would probably have died. No one would've called me a warrior. Probably say, "A McDonalds with a PlayPlace doesn't count as 'going to the gym', dumb fatass". 

Who hurt you?

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3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Oh my Captain, labor no more for your work is done. But do not go softly into that good night, but nurture thy lockeroom with your dazzling Zetterbeard.

RIP sweet prince. Praise be.

Walt Whitman or Dylan Thomas?

1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Zetterberg's beard makes me doubt he is done.

It does seem to have rejuvenative properties. 

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1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Zetterberg's beard makes me doubt he is done.

His beard alone was better than Drew Miller. 

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6 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Walt Whitman or Dylan Thomas?

It does seem to have rejuvenative properties. 

I dont like poetry, you like poetry! Nerd!

And if you gaze long enough into the beard, the beard gazes back into you.

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2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I dont like poetry, you like poetry! Nerd!

And if you gaze long enough into the beard, the beard gazes back into you.

No. I went to school. And watched Dead Poets Society. So there.

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7 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

No. I went to school. And watched Dead Poets Society. So there.

Nerd

Double nerd

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1 hour ago, Dabura said:

Who hurt you?

The people asked for controversy. I am but a humble servant.