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Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

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3 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

some of you guys are going to be disappointed when the defense next year is exactly the same as this year. Unless we draft Dahlin, or Green can't play, I don't see anyone new on the blueline next year.

Sadly, you will be correct.

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2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

some of you guys are going to be disappointed when the defense next year is exactly the same as this year. Unless we draft Dahlin, or Green can't play, I don't see anyone new on the blueline next year.

*solemn agreement nod*

We'll be lucky if Hicketts is on the opening night roster, never mind Hronek or Cholowski or Hughes/Boqvist/Bouchard.

The team we watched last week is more or less the team we'll be watching next season. Drafting Dahlin, acquiring Tavares, acquiring Karlsson -- it'd take something of this magnitude for us to see a genuine roster shakeup over the coming summer.

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1 hour ago, Dabura said:

*solemn agreement nod*

We'll be lucky if Hicketts is on the opening night roster, never mind Hronek or Cholowski or Hughes/Boqvist/Bouchard.

The team we watched last week is more or less the team we'll be watching next season. Drafting Dahlin, acquiring Tavares, acquiring Karlsson -- it'd take something of this magnitude for us to see a genuine roster shakeup over the coming summer.

Aside from Dahlin, I don't think any of those other high end prospect dmen will be ready for the NHL next season. Hronek and Cholowski are both probably at least a year away. Kronwall will probably be retired and Ouellet will probably be gone by the end of next season. So there should be room for them then. Daley is off the books the year after that to make room for another kid. Hicketts is really the only one i could see on the roster next year. He's NHL ready at this point, although in a reduced role. If Green is signed though, I don't see how there's room for him.

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Nice mock draft:

https://www.diebytheblade.com/2018/4/8/17213402/end-of-season-1st-round-mock

The author brings up an interesting fact (assuming it's true): the Senators haven't drafted a Russian in over a decade and the Hurricanes haven't drafted a Russian since 2001. If that's true, and if it's because they have a rule about not drafting Russians, maybe neither of them would take Svechnikov at #2 or #3. Also, Peter Chiarelli is a moron.

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8 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Dang, I sure would love one of K'Andre or Serron. But if they're gone, Akil is a good one! Especially if Holland has plans to deal AA.

It's gonna be really interesting seeing how the second half of the 1st round and the first half of the 2nd round play out. Does a guy like Serron Noel go in the middle of the 1st? Near the end of the 1st? Does he slide into the 2nd? I honestly don't know. There's so much to like in the top two or three tiers of this draft class that it seems wide open once you get past the top 12 or so.

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Y'know what'd be funny? Us not getting Andrei Svechnikov and being sad because no bro teamup but ultimately ending up with an even better bro teamup in Quinn and Jack Hughes.

I know I'm looking too far ahead, but imagine having Jack Hughes and Dylan Larkin as your 1-2 punch at center. So much HYPE! Soooooo much HYPE!

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The Hughes bros. would be great! The problem is, we can get Quinn with a top 6 pick, we will absolutely need to win the lottery next year to get Jack. Not unless 3 or 4 other players can knock him down a few for us...

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57 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

The Hughes bros. would be great! The problem is, we can get Quinn with a top 6 pick, we will absolutely need to win the lottery next year to get Jack. Not unless 3 or 4 other players can knock him down a few for us...

Oh, I know. Just sayin'.

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I believe we need to draft D with our first, but dang, the thought of having any of:

Dahlin, Tkachuk, Svechling, Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard, Dobson, Zadina.... I am forgetting a few too, but this will be a good one for us! Can Holland screw this up?

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21 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I believe we need to draft D with our first, but dang, the thought of having any of:

Dahlin, Tkachuk, Svechling, Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard, Dobson, Zadina.... I am forgetting a few too, but this will be a good one for us! Can Holland screw this up?

I'm pretty sure the Wings will be looking to take a defenseman with the first pick, but it's entirely possible that they decide an available forward is better than the available defensemen. Taking Svechnikov over anyone not named Dahlin is, to me, a no-brainer, but you could also make a case for Zadina or Tkachuk being every bit as appealing as any of Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard, Dobson. I might be a little disappointed if we take Wahlstrom in the 6-8 range, but on the other hand, we're talking about arguably the top centerman in this draft class. Taking Veleno 8th overall? Could be a reach, but I'm not sure he's any less promising than Larkin was in his draft year.

I'm so pumped for this draft. Lottery's only 12 days away!

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

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1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

I believe we need to draft D with our first, but dang, the thought of having any of:

Dahlin, Tkachuk, Svechling, Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard, Dobson, Zadina.... I am forgetting a few too, but this will be a good one for us! Can Holland screw this up?

He did draft Rasmussen and Bertuzzi and missed out on Chychrun

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2 hours ago, Dabura said:

I'm pretty sure the Wings will be looking to take a defenseman with the first pick, but it's entirely possible that they decide an available forward is better than the available defensemen. Taking Svechnikov over anyone not named Dahlin is, to me, a no-brainer, but you could also make a case for Zadina or Tkachuk being every bit as appealing as any of Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard, Dobson. I might be a little disappointed if we take Wahlstrom in the 6-8 range, but on the other hand, we're talking about arguably the top centerman in this draft class. Taking Veleno 8th overall? Could be a reach, but I'm not sure he's any less promising than Larkin was in his draft year.

I'm so pumped for this draft. Lottery's only 12 days away!

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Are you sure? I have seen him listed mostly as a RW, occasionally as a C/RW. If he isn't a full time C at the lower levels, I don't think he'll play C at the NHL level. Which is why I'm not high on him. I'm only looking at Svech, Zadina, Tkachuk if I am looking at a forward in the top 10. If I need a Center, I trade down and pick Veleno.

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14 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

He did draft Rasmussen and Bertuzzi and missed out on Chychrun

I have a feeling we're going to see Ras on the team next season. His only option is Detroit or back to junior. Sending him to junior does absolutely nothing for his development. 

We all know my choice at that pick, we do need a high scoring RW, BUT we had/have so many needs and just look at our power play this year, it's no wonder Holland chose a power play specialist last season. Seeing it powerless this year gives me hope that Ras can change that.  He really has dominated his junior league and needs to take a next step. It's just too bad he can't develop in GR a bit. But hey. Larkin came in and got a spot and stayed. I hope Ras comes in and earns a spot and helps jump start our PP and our rebuild. I just hope Blashill utilizes him correctly.

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Not really sure why so many are down on Wahlstrom.  Kid came through the same developmental program as Larkin and bested Dylan in ppg at each stage.  If he projects as a center in the NHL I'd be happy with the pick, if he projects as a winger then I pass.  But he's a damn good prospect.

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26 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Not really sure why so many are down on Wahlstrom.  Kid came through the same developmental program as Larkin and bested Dylan in ppg at each stage.  If he projects as a center in the NHL I'd be happy with the pick, if he projects as a winger then I pass.  But he's a damn good prospect.

I don't think many are "down on Wahlstrom". I think anyone would be thrilled to have him in their organization, but if we're picking top 5, there will likely be better options available. If we fall back to 8, I'd consider taking him for sure, depending on who else is still on the board.

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2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I have a feeling we're going to see Ras on the team next season. His only option is Detroit or back to junior. Sending him to junior does absolutely nothing for his development. 

We all know my choice at that pick, we do need a high scoring RW, BUT we had/have so many needs and just look at our power play this year, it's no wonder Holland chose a power play specialist last season. Seeing it powerless this year gives me hope that Ras can change that.  He really has dominated his junior league and needs to take a next step. It's just too bad he can't develop in GR a bit. But hey. Larkin came in and got a spot and stayed. I hope Ras comes in and earns a spot and helps jump start our PP and our rebuild. I just hope Blashill utilizes him correctly.

I'm perfectly content to play him as a bottom 6 center/power-play specialist next year. Think it would be a good step up for him.

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For sure. It would be the only step he could take. Sending him back to junior would be a step back. I'm sure he won't get top line, but I mostly meant sitting in the press box most nights, because, you know, process. 

So, youngsters I want to see here next season:

Dahlin (if)

Cholowski

Ras 

Svech Sr. (Jr. too If we get him instead of Dahlin)

Hicketts in some capacity.

Who do you feel should come up?

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If we draft any one of Hughes, Bouchard or Dobson, I'd  give them every pre season game to try to make the team. Kronner, E, DD, they're not going anywhere, they can sit out most of the pre season games.

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

Not really sure why so many are down on Wahlstrom.  Kid came through the same developmental program as Larkin and bested Dylan in ppg at each stage.  If he projects as a center in the NHL I'd be happy with the pick, if he projects as a winger then I pass.  But he's a damn good prospect.

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't think many are "down on Wahlstrom". I think anyone would be thrilled to have him in their organization, but if we're picking top 5, there will likely be better options available. If we fall back to 8, I'd consider taking him for sure, depending on who else is still on the board.

I tend to be wary of centermen "who also play wing." I want a centerman's centerman, a bona fide pivot who we are 99% certain will be a pivot in his pro career.

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35 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

For sure. It would be the only step he could take. Sending him back to junior would be a step back. I'm sure he won't get top line, but I mostly meant sitting in the press box most nights, because, you know, process. 

So, youngsters I want to see here next season:

Dahlin (if)

Cholowski

Ras 

Svech Sr. (Jr. too If we get him instead of Dahlin)

Hicketts in some capacity.

Who do you feel should come up?

Hicketts, Svech, Ras, Dahlin (if)

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If we draft second or third I almost think we have to draft Andrei, Filip, or Brady.  Would you take a defenceman at second or third?  If we draft at # 27 next with the Vegas pick and Bode Wilde, Mattias Samuelsson, and K'Andre Millar are gone how do you fix our defense?  At this point I cant see any other defensemen who can be difference makers and this is the year of the defencemen. If one of those three are available then fine but there is a real possibility they are all gone.

For the record at # 5, I want Evan Bouchard. At # 27 I'm hoping for Sammuelsson or Millar.  Then I would like O'Brien and Khovanov.  If we could work Kevin Bahl in here somehow in the second round that would be ok.  I would like to see us draft Curtis Douglas a little later just to see what a 6'8" centre would look like in red.

 

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7 minutes ago, HoweFan said:

If we draft second or third I almost think we have to draft Andrei, Filip, or Brady.  Would you take a defenceman at second or third?  If we draft at # 27 next with the Vegas pick and Bode Wilde, Mattias Samuelsson, and K'Andre Millar are gone how do you fix our defense?  At this point I cant see any other defensemen who can be difference makers and this is the year of the defencemen. If one of those three are available then fine but there is a real possibility they are all gone.

For the record at # 5, I want Evan Bouchard. At # 27 I'm hoping for Sammuelsson or Millar.  Then I would like O'Brien and Khovanov.  If we could work Kevin Bahl in here somehow in the second round that would be ok.  I would like to see us draft Curtis Douglas a little later just to see what a 6'8" centre would look like in red.

If we end up with the number 2 pick, we have to take Svechnikov. If we end up with the number 3 pick, I'm okay with taking either of Zadina or Tkatchuk, but ideally I'd like to trade back a few spots in hopes we can still get one of the defensemen we like. I think it's way too wide open to project who will be available with our Vegas pick, or Ottawa's / our 2nd, but I'd like to use a couple of those picks to move up to the middle of the 1st, if a player we like drops.

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