LoveMyRedWings56 73 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 9 hours ago, LeftWinger said: Ya, but there is the outside chance they wouldn't match, ONLY because next year we're more than likely still a lottery team, and they'd get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd from us. Meaning they'd get a shot at Jack Hughes for sure, PLUS our high 2nd and 3rd. They just may let him go for that. You can't offer sheet a player that filed for salary arbitration, So it's not happening period. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) Calgary has not signed Hanfin yet, he also has no Arbitration Rights, so if I offer sheet anyone, it'd be him! But Calgary has $7M in cap space, so they'd match anything I'd offer him! Shea Theodore is another, but again, Vegas has $13M in cap space, so I am sure they aren't worried about someone offering him a contract either. Edited July 20, 2018 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Don't make fun of my '>'. Also you joke but it's obvious you've picked Veleno to be your prospect for whatever reason. And you never pass on the chance to be all meh about Rasmussen just because the Wings didn't take your boy Vilardi. Must be a 'V' fetish. Rasmussen is a legit motherf * king prospect who deserves way more respect than you give him. He's my prospect. He will crush your little french V man. Get ready to eat it! I have nothing against Rasmussen, I just see him as more of a winger. Hopefully he can be a legit top 6 winger (or center) and power-play specialist. I think Veleno will be a very good top 6 center. I also don't give a s*** about Vilardi. He's an LA King. F*** that guy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 6 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Um. I never said anything about passing on Jack f***ing Hughes... Also Veleno >>> Rasmussen. I'm not sure if you noticed, but my ">>>" > your ">>", so it's obvious Veleno will be better. Time will tell. First of all it's a Veleno Hype "Train", not a f***ing Wagon... And that train will run you over, back up, and run you over again and again. Deal with it! That's certainly a hot take... 5 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Don't make fun of my '>'. Also you joke but it's obvious you've picked Veleno to be your prospect for whatever reason. And you never pass on the chance to be all meh about Rasmussen just because the Wings didn't take your boy Vilardi. Must be a 'V' fetish. Rasmussen is a legit motherf * king prospect who deserves way more respect than you give him. He's my prospect. He will crush your little french V man. Get ready to eat it! Rasmussen was the best pick outside of Dylan Larkin in the past 1000 years for the Red Wings. I've been saying he's awesome now for a while now and I'm not letting down. Zadina will not be as good as Ras. Sue me. 6 hours ago, amato said: So excited to have the same Trouba discussions again in a year or two Trouba is the new Bogosian.... where did he end up again?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Rasmussen was the best pick outside of Dylan Larkin in the past 1000 years for the Red Wings. I've been saying he's awesome now for a while now and I'm not letting down. Zadina will not be as good as Ras. Sue me. Trouba is the new Bogosian.... where did he end up again?? Two more years and Bogo is ours! We’ve got him now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Rasmussen was the best pick outside of Dylan Larkin in the past 1000 years for the Red Wings. I've been saying he's awesome now for a while now and I'm not letting down. Zadina will not be as good as Ras. Sue me. Another hot take, especially considering the players we've picked in that time. I'm just happy that Larkin AND Rasmussen will be better than Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and co. Exciting times. My question is, if Zadina isn't as good as Ras, will he at least be as good or better than some of the other scrubs mentioned? 1 Keep Your Stick On the Ice reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 9 hours ago, krsmith17 said: I have nothing against Rasmussen, I just see him as more of a winger. Hopefully he can be a legit top 6 winger (or center) and power-play specialist. I think Veleno will be a very good top 6 center. I also don't give a s*** about Vilardi. He's an LA King. F*** that guy! See? There you go. Being all so-so. "Nothing against". You know who I have nothing against? DominicTurgeon. Know who I'm mega f*cking HYPED about? Michael Rasmussen. You should be too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 I bet Veleno will be better than Toews but will go unrecognized Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: See? There you go. Being all so-so. "Nothing against". You know who I have nothing against? DominicTurgeon. Know who I'm mega f*cking HYPED about? Michael Rasmussen. You should be too. I'm not sure why it bothers you so much that I'm not quite as HYPED about Rasmussen as you clearly are... I think he'll be a very good top 6 winger, which is great. You're acting like he'll be elite. I don't think he will be, but I sure as hell hope you're right on this one. I rank him 4th or 5th on our forward depth chart (including roster players and prospects). Where do you rank him? I'm assuming 2nd behind Larkin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I'm not sure why it bothers you so much that I'm not quite as HYPED about Rasmussen as you clearly are... I think he'll be a very good top 6 winger, which is great. You're acting like he'll be elite. I don't think he will be, but I sure as hell hope you're right on this one. I rank him 4th or 5th on our forward depth chart (including roster players and prospects). Where do you rank him? I'm assuming 2nd behind Larkin? Just did the wiim top 25 under 25 prospects ranking thing. Tried to balance current contributions with potential. For example, Veleno will probably be better than Bertuzzi, but Tyler's prodiuing now. Athanasiou is producing now, but Zadina and Rasmussen's upside is too hype worthy to ignore. Anyway, this was my top 10: 1.Larkin 2.Mantha 3.Rasmussen 4. Zadina 5. Athanasiou 6. Cholowski 7. Bertuzzi 8. Hronek 9. Veleno 10. Svechnikov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 I bet Zadina’s nickname ends up being Dino. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Just did the wiim top 25 under 25 prospects ranking thing. Tried to balance current contributions with potential. For example, Veleno will probably be better than Bertuzzi, but Tyler's prodiuing now. Athanasiou is producing now, but Zadina and Rasmussen's upside is too hype worthy to ignore. Anyway, this was my top 10: 1.Larkin 2.Mantha 3.Rasmussen 4. Zadina 5. Athanasiou 6. Cholowski 7. Bertuzzi 8. Hronek 9. Veleno 10. Svechnikov Pretty reasonable list. My list would be... 1. Larkin 2. Zadina 3. Mantha 4. Veleno 5. Rasmussen 6. Cholowski 7. Athansiou 8. Bertuzzi 9. Hronek 10. Svechnikov 11. Berggren 12. McIsaac 13. Smith 14. Lindstrom 15. Turgeon 16. Pope A few names could be moved up or down a spot or two, but give or take, this is where I'm at... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, krsmith17 said: He's the younger brother of Quinn, who was the defenseman taken by the Canucks in this year's draft, so that's where you're probably getting confused. They are American, from Florida. I think we have our top 6 centers of the future in Larkin and Veleno. Bottom 6, who cares. Turgeon and whoever else. I see Rasmussen as more of a winger, but who knows, he may develop as a center as well. But like I said, I think Hughes will play on the wing in the NHL, and left-handed wingers is definitely not something this team is lacking... I'm not sure if there are any elite defensemen coming out of next year's draft (of course that can change), so the guy I like right now is Dylan Cozens. Yeah. That could be it. More than likely is that I'm an idiot who hasn't really been paying that much attention. 15 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Um. If you have a chance to take Jack Hughes, you take Jack ******* Hughes. Don't act so nonchalant about it just because you think Veleno's going to solidify that 2C position. Even though he'll more than likely be a 3rd liner. Also Rasmussen >> Veleno. The sooner you accept this, the less we'll have to worry about constantly getting run over by the KR Veleno Hype Wagon. I'm the one panning Jack ******* Hughes. 14 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Trouba's current contract is like 2.75 mil. If it goes to arbitration it only benefits Winnipeg. No way an arbitrator gives him anywhere near 7 mil. Probably somewhere around 5, maybe. Even if he's worth more than that because of potential/future returns, he won't get that much of a pay raise in arbitration. Winnipeg is ******* themselves by not being legit with these negotiations. Trouba may not be a $7million defenseman, but they need to stop picking (that is not the word I typed) him around. 13 hours ago, amato said: So excited to have the same Trouba discussions again in a year or two I'm always here for that... See Bogo discussions, Tyler Myers, and that Swede that was with the Sabres forever and then signed a million dollar deal with the Pens. ...I'm always on some potential free agent defenseman that isn't all what he is hyped to be. It's my M.O. 12 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Um. I never said anything about passing on Jack f***ing Hughes... Also Veleno >>> Rasmussen. I'm not sure if you noticed, but my ">>>" > your ">>", so it's obvious Veleno will be better. Time will tell. First of all it's a Veleno Hype "Train", not a f***ing Wagon... And that train will run you over, back up, and run you over again and again. Deal with it! That's certainly a hot take... Are you guys fast forwarding into the future? x4 speed. x8 times speed. x16 times... 12 hours ago, LoveMyRedWings56 said: You can't offer sheet a player that filed for salary arbitration, So it's not happening period. I noted in my first post that I wasn't sure if Trouba filed or the team. It was all hypothetical. I also stated that there was no way an offer sheet was going to happen EVEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLE. 6 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Rasmussen was the best pick outside of Dylan Larkin in the past 1000 years for the Red Wings. I've been saying he's awesome now for a while now and I'm not letting down. Zadina will not be as good as Ras. Sue me. Trouba is the new Bogosian.... where did he end up again?? He's at my house. We're playing Dungeons and Dragons along with Pitkanen, Brewer, Kaberle, Bieksa, Wiz, and the aforementioned Ehrhoff. Edited July 20, 2018 by e_prime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 29 minutes ago, kickazz said: I bet Zadina’s nickname ends up being Dino. He can play on a line with Veleno and Svechnikov Dino-Veleno-Gino Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, e_prime said: Yeah. That could be it. More than likely is that I'm an idiot who hasn't really been paying that much attention. I'm the one panning Jack ******* Hughes. Winnipeg is ******* themselves by not being legit with these negotiations. Trouba may not be a $7million defenseman, but they need to stop picking (that is not the word I typed) him around. I'm always here for that... See Bogo discussions, Tyler Myers, and that Swede that was with the Sabres forever and then signed a million dollar deal with the Pens. ...I'm always on some potential free agent defenseman that isn't all what he is hyped to be. It's my M.O. Are you guys fast forwarding into the future? x4 speed. x8 times speed. x16 times... I noted in my first post that I wasn't sure if Trouba filed or the team. It was all hypothetical. I also stated that there was no way an offer sheet was going to happen EVEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLE. He's at my house. We're playing Dungeons and Dragons along with Pitkanen, Brewer, Kaberle, Bieksa, Wiz, and the aforementioned Ehrhoff. So many things were addressed. 36 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Pretty reasonable list. My list would be... 1. Larkin 2. Zadina 3. Mantha 4. Veleno 5. Rasmussen 6. Cholowski 7. Athansiou 8. Bertuzzi 9. Hronek 10. Svechnikov 11. Berggren 12. McIsaac 13. Smith 14. Lindstrom 15. Turgeon 16. Pope A few names could be moved up or down a spot or two, but give or take, this is where I'm at... 0. Larkin 1. AA ... ... ... 99. Nyquist 100. Tatar ... ... ... 171. Datsyuk 210. Zetterberg Edited July 20, 2018 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Just did the wiim top 25 under 25 prospects ranking thing. Tried to balance current contributions with potential. For example, Veleno will probably be better than Bertuzzi, but Tyler's prodiuing now. Athanasiou is producing now, but Zadina and Rasmussen's upside is too hype worthy to ignore. Anyway, this was my top 10: 1.Larkin 2.Mantha 3.Rasmussen 4. Zadina 5. Athanasiou 6. Cholowski 7. Bertuzzi 8. Hronek 9. Veleno 10. Svechnikov 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: Pretty reasonable list. My list would be... 1. Larkin 2. Zadina 3. Mantha 4. Veleno 5. Rasmussen 6. Cholowski 7. Athansiou 8. Bertuzzi 9. Hronek 10. Svechnikov 11. Berggren 12. McIsaac 13. Smith 14. Lindstrom 15. Turgeon 16. Pope A few names could be moved up or down a spot or two, but give or take, this is where I'm at... 1. Larkin 2. Rasmussen 3. Zadina 4. Mantha 5. Veleno 6. Cholowski 7. Athanasiou 8. Hronek 9. Bertuzzi 10. Svechnikov Sad that there's only 2 Dmen in that top 10. Think it's pretty telling that the highest we all ranked Svech was #10. And Hicketts is on no one's list. 1 hour ago, e_prime said: Yeah. That could be it. More than likely is that I'm an idiot who hasn't really been paying that much attention. I'm the one panning Jack ******* Hughes. Winnipeg is ******* themselves by not being legit with these negotiations. Trouba may not be a $7million defenseman, but they need to stop picking (that is not the word I typed) him around. I'm always here for that... See Bogo discussions, Tyler Myers, and that Swede that was with the Sabres forever and then signed a million dollar deal with the Pens. ...I'm always on some potential free agent defenseman that isn't all what he is hyped to be. It's my M.O. Are you guys fast forwarding into the future? x4 speed. x8 times speed. x16 times... I noted in my first post that I wasn't sure if Trouba filed or the team. It was all hypothetical. I also stated that there was no way an offer sheet was going to happen EVEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLE. He's at my house. We're playing Dungeons and Dragons along with Pitkanen, Brewer, Kaberle, Bieksa, Wiz, and the aforementioned Ehrhoff. You forgot Edler. Major Faux pas. Faulk and Trouba will be joining your island of missed connections Red Wings soon... Edited July 20, 2018 by ChristopherReevesLegs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: 1. Larkin 2. Rasmussen 3. Zadina 4. Mantha 5. Veleno 6. Cholowski 7. Athanasiou 8. Hronek 9. Bertuzzi 10. Svechnikov Sad that there's only 2 Dmen in that top 10. Think it's pretty telling that the highest we all ranked Svech was #10. And Hicketts is on no one's list. Yeah, the defensive core is still looking rather bleak, but I'm hopeful that McIsaac can climb into that top 10 after this season. And maybe one of Cholowski or Hronek can develop into a top pair defenseman we do desperately need. I still haven't given up on Svechnikov, but he's reminding me more and more of Jurco. All the skill in the world, but unable to put it all together at the NHL level. I'll still say the same thing I said about Jurco though. He'll be a very good middle six winger... hopefully. I honestly forgot about Hicketts when i did my ranking. He still wouldn't crack my top 10, but he'd probably be in my top 15... maybe. 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 4 hours ago, kickazz said: So many things were addressed. Concise? Nah, but I'm efficient if nothing else. 3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: You forgot Edler. Major Faux pas. Faulk and Trouba will be joining your island of missed connections Red Wings soon... Edler's more of a Magic: The Gathering type guy. Doesn't fit into the mix. ...I sure can pick 'em, huh? Maybe I should just stfu about these guys and we could actually land one of them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, e_prime said: Concise? Nah, but I'm efficient if nothing else. Edler's more of a Magic: The Gathering type guy. Doesn't fit into the mix. ...I sure can pick 'em, huh? Maybe I should just stfu about these guys and we could actually land one of them? Pick up Trevor Daley without giving up assets. LGW: Swap valuable assets for Bogosian, Brewer, Edler, Pitkanen, Kaberle, Faulk, Trouba...... LGW: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 Updates yo: If you cant watch vid, Freidman says Karlsson wants to remain in Ottawa but wants new ownership (good luck with that). Vegas deal was never close, Vegas looking at Mark Stone now. Also the Sens have turned to twitter for their new logo... Anyone notice what the bottom row spells? I think the Ottawa social media intern wants out more than Karlsson... 2 e_prime and Neomaxizoomdweebie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Updates yo: If you cant watch vid, Freidman says Karlsson wants to remain in Ottawa but wants new ownership (good luck with that). Vegas deal was never close, Vegas looking at Mark Stone now. Also the Sens have turned to twitter for their new logo... Anyone notice what the bottom row spells? I think the Ottawa social media intern wants out more than Karlsson... They should go back to their original logo. Never should've messed with it in the first place. Alternatively, they can move to Hartford and bring the Whale back. Edited July 20, 2018 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) We know which one Rhianna likes! Edited January 7, 2021 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Does anyone recall what could happen after the ruling? Do the Jets have to honor it? Can they trade him? Does he have to honor the ruling? (btw, don't try to press play, it's just a snipit pic from TSN) Edited January 7, 2021 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Ok, so here is what I understand, since Trouba was the one to file, he cannot refuse the award. The team can decide not to honor it if its a 1 year award, or if its a two year award, they can still walk away after year 1, IF the award is above $4.2M, which I am sure it will be. Both of these resulting in Trouba becoming an instant UFA. If the team filed then, Trouba has the same options as the team in the first paragraph and could reject the award making himself a UFA. Edited January 7, 2021 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) But basically how arbitration always happens is, they both agree with the decision and worry about Trouba’s contract later. Edited July 21, 2018 by amato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites