6/22 GDT - 2018 Entry Draft

[Jonas Mahonas 1,507]

3 hours ago, Dabura said:

I'm not at all concerned. Kid is an unequivocally "elite, elite" goal-scorer. A goal-scorer's goal-scorer. What makes him that good isn't just the shot, it's his ability to put himself in positions to use the shot. And it's not just a wonderful knack for shaking loose from coverage and finding open space (as all natural born snipers have), it's his ability to take the opposite approach: hounding the puck, mucking around in the corners and in the slot. He's a dangerous, determined forechecker, not unlike Brendan Gallagher. All of that, plus his surprisingly mature two-way game (he models his game after Kucherov and Hossa), makes him truly dynamic. When he's low in the other team's zone, he inspires that sense of dread in the other team('s fans) that we as Wings fans have grown to associate with Kucherov. He can singlehandedly dictate the course of play in the o-zone, whether he has the puck or not -- because you have to respect that he can, at any time, decide he's gonna try to disappear-and-re-appear a la Brett Hull...or get right in the middle of the action and throw his weight around (at 6'0-195ish, he's a tank) and get his nose dirty. He's also a great playmaker.

In terms of goal-scorer prospects, Zadina's about as good as it gets. Top-three talent in any draft, IMO.

This was a kick ass post.  Felt like I was reading a good article.

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Just sit back and watch Holland, he'll "go on."

Well, who is Bergggggggggggggggren? Holland always f***s up and lets Haken pick in the 2nd round. The 2 d round is not for experiments. 

All he had to do is pick Noel and Wilde and he would've had a great draft. 

Can't wait to see the 3rd rounders Puken Luben.

Spit up my drink!

[amato 3,207]

We got first round talent in the second round. I love it. Great draft all around.  

[Jonas Mahonas 1,507]

This has got to be a ***** joke that Holland is playing on the world.  There is a 1 in a bazillion chance that every player for 300 straight draft picks chosen could be left handed.   

[Prolix 65]

7 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

This has got to be a ***** joke that Holland is playing on the world.  There is a 1 in a bazillion chance that every player for 300 straight draft picks chosen could be left handed.   

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000075

An octodecillion, apparently.

[kickazz 5,459]

23 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

This has got to be a ***** joke that Holland is playing on the world.  There is a 1 in a bazillion chance that every player for 300 straight draft picks chosen could be left handed.   

I am Ken Holland.

The trolls troll

Edited June 23, 2018 by kickazz

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,071]

One could look at Zadina falling into Holland's lap and say it was a no brainer pick. But at the same time, I give Holland a lot of credit for it. Think about it, Zadina was arguably the 3rd best player in the draft. It would have been tempting for Holland to trade up to 3rd (giving up assets in the process) to draft him not knowing what MTL, AZ, or OTT were going to do. Instead, he stood pat and patiently waited to see how things would go. That is the mark of veteran GM who is cool under pressure. A less experienced GM might have panicked and traded up. Same with Veleno. He was ranked 14th. Once he fell into the 20's, it would have been easy to get anxious and trade up to get him (I probably would have). Again, Holland was confident in running the team's draft and he waited. Zadina and Veleno "fell into his lap" because Holland was calm, cool, and collected, and didn't overreact like some other GM's might have done. What some of you see as "no brainers" I see as reaping the benefits of good management and drafting.

Edited June 23, 2018 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[kickazz 5,459]

It was a no brainer

Edited June 23, 2018 by kickazz

[LeftWinger 4,735]

3 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

One could look at Zadina falling into Holland's lap and say it was a no brainer pick. But at the same time, I give Holland a lot of credit for it. Think about it, Zadina was arguably the 3rd best player in the draft. It would have been tempting for Holland to trade up to 3rd (giving up assets in the process) to draft him not knowing what MTL, AZ, or OTT were going to do. Instead, he stood pat and patiently waited to see how things would go. That is the mark of veteran GM who is cool under pressure. A less experienced GM might have panicked and traded up. Same with Veleno. He was ranked 14th on Button's list. Once he fell into the 20's, it would have been easy to get anxious and trade up to get him (I probably would have). Again, Holland was confident in running the team's draft and he waited. Zadina and Veleno "fell into his lap" because Holland was calm, cool, and collected, and didn't overreact like some other GM's might have done. What some of you see as "no brainers" I see as reaping the benefits of good management and drafting.

You say this like Holland planned and knew they would fall. He's not that smart. He was taking D all the way and up until Zadina was there, he was still taking Hughes. He had zero clue on what he was doing come #30, Valeno fell into his lap. You see how he screwed up once he had choices to make. Keep giving him credit when he deserves none.

[marcaractac 3,832]

2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

You say this like Holland planned and knew they would fall. He's not that smart. He was taking D all the way and up until Zadina was there, he was still taking Hughes. He had zero clue on what he was doing come #30, Valeno fell into his lap. You see how he screwed up once he had choices to make. Keep giving him credit when he deserves none.

I thought you were leaving?

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,071]

3 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Who the f*** is Berggggggren? Pass on Noel?

He was ranked 32nd on Button's list. Holland drafted him at #33. What's the problem? He also drafted McIsaac at #36. He was ranked 26th on Button's list. It's not like Holland went off the board here, or even reached at all. It was a good draft thru the first 4 picks. Why can't we just be excited that we just drafted 4 players that probably would have all been first rounders in other draft years?

[LeftWinger 4,735]

4 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

I thought you were leaving?

Learn to read.

[Prolix 65]

9 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

ou see how he screwed up once he had choices to make. 

Non quod erat demonstrandum.

Show me that Noel or Wilde will definitively be better picks than Berggren/McIsaac. 

Edited June 23, 2018 by Prolix

[marcaractac 3,832]

Just now, LeftWinger said:

Learn to read.

I will once you learn how to control your emotions.

[LeftWinger 4,735]

1 minute ago, marcaractac said:

I will once you learn how to control your emotions.

Meanwhile press "ignore"

[marcaractac 3,832]

Just now, LeftWinger said:

Meanwhile press "ignore"

And miss this entertainment? Hell nawww

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,071]

20 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

You say this like Holland planned and knew they would fall. He's not that smart. He was taking D all the way and up until Zadina was there, he was still taking Hughes. He had zero clue on what he was doing come #30, Valeno fell into his lap. You see how he screwed up once he had choices to make. Keep giving him credit when he deserves none.

But that's the problem. Holland passes on Zadina or Veleno or Noel or Wilde and he's an idiot. He drafts them, and it was a "no brainer" , they fell into his lap. No matter what the man does, some of you will never give him credit and find a way to criticize him for everything because the confirmation bias is out of control.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,021]

Holland reaches down = he doesn't know what he's doing

Holland reaches up = It fell into his lap

The man simply cannot win. It's truly an amazing complex/paradox that Leftwinger has built. You can't find mental instability this good just anywhere, only at LGW.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,507]

1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Holland reaches down = he doesn't know what he's doing

Holland reaches up = It fell into his lap

The man simply cannot win. It's truly an amazing complex/paradox that Leftwinger has built. You can't find mental instability this good just anywhere, only at LGW.

Agreed.  The ONLY thing I am unhappy about with this draft is that we didn't address any needs.  We got great players, but they are all redundant.  

 

Need 1 = #1 Dman.  After Dahlin was selected, this was an impossible.  So nothing we could do.

 

Need #2 = Right Handed #2 Dman. At pick 6 and Zadina on the board, this is Holland's first fail.  He should have traded this pick to Edmonton for Lucic and #10.  Then drafted one of Bouchard or Dobson.

 

Need # 3 = Right Handed 1st Line Winger.  Not available, so nothing we could do.

 

Need # 4 = Right Handed 2nd Line Winger.  Wahlstrom was there, but Zadina was the correct choice at #6.  But again, Holland needs to make a trade.  

 

Left Handed Centers/Wings = Zetterberg, Nielsen, Helm, Abdelkader, Athanasiou, Mantha, Svechnikov, Nyquist, Rasmussen, Larkin, Bertuzzi, Turgeon, Smith, Zadina, Veleno, Berggren

 

Right Handed = Gendening, Witkowski

 

WTF?

[marcaractac 3,832]

4 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Need #2 = Right Handed #2 Dman. At pick 6 and Zadina on the board, this is Holland's first fail.  He should have traded this pick to Edmonton for Lucic and #10.  Then drafted one of Bouchard or Dobson.

This is a bad take

[Jonas Mahonas 1,507]

7 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

This is a bad take

 

7 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

This is a bad take

I hope you're right. 

[marcaractac 3,832]

Just now, Jonas Mahonas said:

 

I hope you're right. 

Lucic has probably the worst contract in hockey right now. It's toxic. So yes, any idea involving bringing him to Detroit is a bad take 100% of the time. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,021]

11 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

This is a bad take

It's always a bad take with him

[marcaractac 3,832]

Just now, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

It's always a bad take with him

This is a good take

[kickazz 5,459]

18 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

This is a bad take

 

6 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

It's always a bad take with him

 

5 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

This is a good take

Outdated trolling by Jonas. But damn he spent a good amount of time writing that post.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,507]

6 minutes ago, kickazz said:

 

 

Outdated trolling by Jonas. But damn he spent a good amount of time writing that post.

This is a medium bad to kinda bad take.