chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, F.Michael said: Peter Chia(pet)relli got canned https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-fire-gm-chiarelli-1.1245915 HAHAHA Looks like that Koskinen signing was the last straw after the three shaky goals he allowed last night to a cellar dweller. Maybe he should have consulted higher up before giving a goalie with not even 30 games of NHL experience that kind of deal, when Talbot's expires this season? Could have had a clean slate at the position and taken a run at someone like Bobrovsky. The Hall and Eberle trades were horrible at the time, and look much worse now. Lucic signing, mannn. He's become a plug. I wouldn't even give Chiarelli credit for McDavid. His team sucked and he hit first overall in the lottery. Grabbing McDavid was a no-brainer, even for him. This part made me laugh the most though: The Oilers have $31.1 million committed in cap space - 39 per cent of this year’s cap - to McDavid ($12.5 million), Leon Draisaitl ($8.5 million), Lucic ($6 million) and Oscar Klefbom ($4.17 million) through 2022-23, when Lucic and Klefbom’s contracts will expire. All teams hunting for a GM should steer clear of this clown, he's a franchise wrecking ball. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: 36 minutes ago, Rick D said: Someone from TSN tweeted about Holland being an option for Edmonton too. Was thinking the same thing. Close to his home province. Back in his old WHL scouting grounds. Just not sure how it would play out with a year left on his deal with Detroit. He sure as hell won't be "fired". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 Oh, Oiler fans are saying Chia would have had to have had top brass approval for the Koskinen deal. They let him him complete the deal with plans to fire him. Apparently as the fall guy for how bad they've all screwed up with the gifts they've been given and deals they've approved to burn those gifts, and this signing was the excuse (not like they needed one before that?). And because looking forward to UFA, who could they realistically sign to take over the net? Bobrovsky is too expensive and Smith isn't worth $5.5 (but Koskinen is worth $4.5?) Lowe and MacTavish stil run the team too, or something... So glad i'm not an Oilers fan. They're team sucks and they're all out of excuses, and a bit loopy it seems. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, chaps80 said: Oh, Oiler fans are saying Chia would have had to have had top brass approval for the Koskinen deal. They let him him complete the deal with plans to fire him. Apparently as the fall guy for how bad they've all screwed up with the gifts they've been given and deals they've approved to burn those gifts, and this signing was the excuse (not like they needed one before that?). And because looking forward to UFA, who could they realistically sign to take over the net? Bobrovsky is too expensive and Smith isn't worth $5.5 (but Koskinen is worth $4.5?) Lowe and MacTavish stil run the team too, or something... So glad i'm not an Oilers fan. They're team sucks and they're all out of excuses, and a bit loopy it seems. Burn it. Burn it to the ground. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 54 minutes ago, chaps80 said: Oh, Oiler fans are saying Chia would have had to have had top brass approval for the Koskinen deal. They let him him complete the deal with plans to fire him. Apparently as the fall guy for how bad they've all screwed up with the gifts they've been given and deals they've approved to burn those gifts, and this signing was the excuse (not like they needed one before that?). And because looking forward to UFA, who could they realistically sign to take over the net? Bobrovsky is too expensive and Smith isn't worth $5.5 (but Koskinen is worth $4.5?) Lowe and MacTavish stil run the team too, or something... So glad i'm not an Oilers fan. They're team sucks and they're all out of excuses, and a bit loopy it seems. You don't want to root for McDavid for the next 15 years? I've said this before, though, the league is very unlucky that McDavid plays in a market nobody in the U.S. cares about. It's really the worst place he could be. If he was drafted by Arizona or Carolina it would have been better, because at least those teams play in the U.S. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said: You don't want to root for McDavid for the next 15 years? I've said this before, though, the league is very unlucky that McDavid plays in a market nobody in the U.S. cares about. It's really the worst place he could be. If he was drafted by Arizona or Carolina it would have been better, because at least those teams play in the U.S. What does being in the U.S. have to do with anything? Edmonton has a MUCH larger fan base than most American teams, let alone Arizona or Carolina... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 FWIW... 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said: You don't want to root for McDavid for the next 15 years? I've said this before, though, the league is very unlucky that McDavid plays in a market nobody in the U.S. cares about. It's really the worst place he could be. If he was drafted by Arizona or Carolina it would have been better, because at least those teams play in the U.S. Nah, i'm good with rooting for Larkin and the Wings. Edmonton has set themselves back quite a bit with the handling of their top players/prospects, whether losing them through dumb trades or just not putting effort into developing them properly and expecting them to jump right in and be stars. Yakupov may have simply been a bust, but didn't seem like they put much effort into his development either. Nuge is an NHL player, obv, but he's not what i would consider great. Again, not much effort in development. Hall and McDavid are both so talented that that lack of effort didn't matter. Hall is gone in a lopsided trade, and McDavid is stuck there. It's not just the US that doesn't care about the Oilers. Most of Canada doesn't either. Mostly all Habs/Leafs slappies, only the hockey fans in the cities that have franchises out West care about those teams. The Jets have more fans than the West teams, so does Detroit, Boston, Chicago. Ottawa, well nobody cares about Ottawa. Not even their owner. 8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: What does being in the U.S. have to do with anything? Edmonton has a MUCH larger fan base than most American teams, let alone Arizona or Carolina... In part of Alberta, yes. Theres some fans from the dynasty days still holding on elsewhere, but nothing major. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dabura said: FWIW... Well, if he pulled the trigger on that himself, i doubt top brass was happy. They were probably hoping Koskinen looked shaky and lost the game last night so they could commence firing. Can't really fire him right after making the deal, even though they were 99% there. Wouldn't really have looked good or given the goalie any confidence. "Peter got fired because he signed me??" hahahaha I'm sure it still doesn't help one day later, but hey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, chaps80 said: In part of Alberta, yes. Theres some fans from the dynasty days still holding on elsewhere, but nothing major. They still have one of the top fan bases in the NHL. The only U.S. teams that might be ahead of them are Detroit, Boston, New York, Chicago and Pittsburgh, and even a few of them are doubtful. The Oilers are a VERY popular team, and it's not just in Alberta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 44 minutes ago, Dabura said: FWIW... Koskinen extension was approved by Oilers organiziation 27 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: LOL. More like. "wanted to get him as far away from the red button as possible as soon as possible" 1 1 1 Dabura, chaps80 and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: What does being in the U.S. have to do with anything? Edmonton has a MUCH larger fan base than most American teams, let alone Arizona or Carolina... Because most NHL franchises play in the U.S. Hence most fans are in the U.S. Same thing with TV ratings. The league doesn't need to cater to Canada. Hockey is already popular there. It would have been better for the league to have McDavid in a U.S. market. Really any market. Obviously New York, Boston, or Chicago would have been best but they weren't in the running for McDavid sweepstakes that year in the draft. Edited January 23, 2019 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 4 hours ago, F.Michael said: My only fear now is that somehow they convince Yzerman the winters in Edmonton aren't so bad when you have a basement full of Ben Franklins to swim in I hope ur referring to 100 dollar bills. Otherwise that sounds really creepy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I hope ur referring to 100 dollar bills. Otherwise that sounds really creepy. 1 Neomaxizoomdweebie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said: Because most NHL franchises play in the U.S. Hence most fans are in the U.S. Same thing with TV ratings. The league doesn't need to cater to Canada. Hockey is already popular there. It would have been better for the league to have McDavid in a U.S. market. Really any market. Obviously New York, Boston, or Chicago would have been best but they weren't in the running for McDavid sweepstakes that year in the draft. I doubt this is true, even with nearly 10 times the population in the U.S.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: What does being in the U.S. have to do with anything? Edmonton has a MUCH larger fan base than most American teams, let alone Arizona or Carolina... Best player in the league playing in a small Canadian market is bad for the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I doubt this is true, even with nearly 10 times the population in the U.S.... I honestly don't know who has the 'greater number of hockey fans' although I wouldn't be too surprised if it was in fact the USA. It's also a major reason why the BoG tends to shun QC when it comes time for expansion/relocation, and that's too bad IMHO...For them it's all about 'potential gorwth of the game' - as in the potential to make more $$$. 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: They still have one of the top fan bases in the NHL. The only U.S. teams that might be ahead of them are Detroit, Boston, New York, Chicago and Pittsburgh, and even a few of them are doubtful. The Oilers are a VERY popular team, and it's not just in Alberta. And when he got home - the movers were already there packing his belongings/furniture along with Canadian officials ready to escort him to the border, and to revoke his Canadian citizenship... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, krsmith17 said: I doubt this is true, even with nearly 10 times the population in the U.S.... Except it’s true. The American hockey fan market is larger than Canadian. Just by sheer numbers. More and more American players are representing NHL and the Canadian numbers have been at a decline. Not because less Canadians are interested, but just because more Americans kids are and their talent has vastly improved amongst youngsters in the last 2 decades. The AHL has become pretty popular compared to years ago as well. That league used to be a joke and is now one of the more popular minor leagues. I would even argue that the AHL is more popular than any Basketball, Football or Baseball minor league in the US. Penguins, Hawks, Capitals resurgence in the 2000s likely had a lot to do with it, add in the fact the the Wings were already a juggernaut in the 90s and 00s. The Avalance and Forsberg/ Sakic era created a huge fan base in the West as well. Chicago, Minnesota, Vegas by far have the best selling tickets for the NHL. Toronto comes in at 4th followed by Winnipeg. No other Canadian team makes the top 10 list in terms of arena selling tickets. The market is just better in the US. And it's likely the reason Quebec will never get a team and Vegas ended up getting one (and their sales are incredible). Rangers in recent years surpassed the Maple Leafs in terms of team value. Gone are the days that the Leafs were the richest team. Edited January 24, 2019 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, F.Michael said: I honestly don't know who has the 'greater number of hockey fans' although I wouldn't be too surprised if it was in fact the USA. It's also a major reason why the BoG tends to shun QC when it comes time for expansion/relocation, and that's too bad IMHO...For them it's all about 'potential gorwth of the game' - as in the potential to make more $$$. And when he got home - the movers were already there packing his belongings/furniture along with Canadian officials ready to escort him to the border, and to revoke his Canadian citizenship... They're a business. They're supposed to make money. They're going to put teams where they think they can make the most money. Thats why there isnt a team in QC, and why there shouldn't be from a purely monetary POV. Can't fault a for-profit corporation for not wanting to take on another liability just to make 'purists' happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: They're a business. They're supposed to make money. They're going to put teams where they think they can make the most money. Thats why there isnt a team in QC, and why there shouldn't be from a purely monetary POV. Can't fault a for-profit corporation for not wanting to take on another liability just to make 'purists' happy. I would say QC is the furthest thing from a liability...More, or less they're more provincial, and less likely to make serious coin for the league if hockey becomes a thing in a large market like Houston, but I agree with what you're saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
