New New Prospects Thread

[Walman6million 250]

22 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Supposedly he’s a good faceoff guy and  works hard defensively. Plus he’s a really smart player and he’s till growing. All of that bodes well for him sticking at center. 

I don’t really get the AA comparisons though. Aside from being fast they’re both verify different players. One is a playmaking center with a high compete and a good brain, the other is a big dumb p*ssy.

only that he was supposed to be our last offensive center

[Walman6million 250]

Former wings assistant coach Adam Nightingale is doing a decent job rebuilding MSU's program. He got Red Savage to transfer in from Miami Ohio, and Isaac Howard (TBL 1st rounder) to transfer in from Minnesota Duluth for next season. Also got some 6'7" defenseman the Kings drafted to commit. Might start to see some life from that program finally.

Former wings AC Ferschweiler also got our draft pick Ethan Phillips to transfer to Western Michigan.

Our draft picks Ali and Melhenbacher have both played really well in the USHL as well. Would like to see them commit to a NCAA program hopefully soon.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

7 hours ago, Walman6million said:

Former wings assistant coach Adam Nightingale is doing a decent job rebuilding MSU's program. He got Red Savage to transfer in from Miami Ohio, and Isaac Howard (TBL 1st rounder) to transfer in from Minnesota Duluth for next season. Also got some 6'7" defenseman the Kings drafted to commit. Might start to see some life from that program finally.

Former wings AC Ferschweiler also got our draft pick Ethan Phillips to transfer to Western Michigan.

Our draft picks Ali and Melhenbacher have both played really well in the USHL as well. Would like to see them commit to a NCAA program hopefully soon.

What does this have to do with our prospects?

[Walman6million 250]

9 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

What does this have to do with our prospects?

4/5 players mentioned are our prospects

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

32 minutes ago, Walman6million said:

4/5 players mentioned are our prospects

draft picks.  none of those guys are prospects 

[Walman6million 250]

41 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

draft picks.  none of those guys are prospects 

Oh

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

1 hour ago, Walman6million said:

Oh

so post something useful, mr big brains

[Walman6million 250]

1 minute ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

so post something useful, mr big brains

no

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

2 minutes ago, Walman6million said:

no

just trying to get your post count up, i see...

[Axl Foley 334]

Players picked in the draft are prospects.

[kipwinger 8,756]

Out of curiosity, how could everyone rank our top non-first round prospects in terms of their ceiling and their likelihood to reach it? Obviously you don't need to list guys that are way down the depth chart (sorry Seth Barton) but who do you think has the highest upside AND is most likely to reach it? Just throw a few names out. I'm curious what the perception of our non-first round picks is amongst fans.

 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

57 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Out of curiosity, how could everyone rank our top non-first round prospects in terms of their ceiling and their likelihood to reach it? Obviously you don't need to list guys that are way down the depth chart (sorry Seth Barton) but who do you think has the highest upside AND is most likely to reach it? Just throw a few names out. I'm curious what the perception of our non-first round picks is amongst fans.

 

I'll do two groups of 6

Upside/Ceiling:

1. Lombardi

2. Buchelnikov

3. Wallinder

4. Mazur

5. Buium

6. Johansson

7. Hanas

 

Likely to reach:

1. Mazur

2. Johansson

3. Wallinder

4. Hanas

5. Lombardi

6. Buium

7. Buchelnikov

Something like this but I won't be fighting anyone. 

 

 

[Walman6million 250]

57 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Out of curiosity, how could everyone rank our top non-first round prospects in terms of their ceiling and their likelihood to reach it? Obviously you don't need to list guys that are way down the depth chart (sorry Seth Barton) but who do you think has the highest upside AND is most likely to reach it? Just throw a few names out. I'm curious what the perception of our non-first round picks is amongst fans.

 

Forwards: 

1. Mazur 2. Lombardi 3. Buchnelikov 4. Hanas 5. James 6. Zito 7. Ali

Defense

1. Wallinder 2. Albert Johansson 3. Buium 4. McIsaac 5. Anton Johansson

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

I guess Soderblom should be in there as well. Although he's played games and no one else has so......... 

Edited May 2, 2023 by The 91 of Ryans

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

1. Lombardi - Sure fire Top 6.

2. Buchelnikov - Will never play in the NHL

3. Wallinder - Sure fire Top 4.

4. Mazur - Will bust.

5. Buium - Will never play in the NHL.

6. Johansson - Will bust out like Lindstrom.

7. Hanas - 4th Liner for 4 years with the Wings, then traded.

8. Soderblom - 4th Liner for 4 years with the Wings, then traded.

[kipwinger 8,756]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

I'll do two groups of 6

Upside/Ceiling:

1. Lombardi

2. Buchelnikov

3. Wallinder

4. Mazur

5. Buium

6. Johansson

7. Hanas

 

Likely to reach:

1. Mazur

2. Johansson

3. Wallinder

4. Hanas

5. Lombardi

6. Buium

7. Buchelnikov

Something like this but I won't be fighting anyone. 

 

 

This was pretty close to my list. I limited mine to 5 players and had Sodorblom instead of Lombardi (lower ceiling but more likely to reach it IMO). I also switched Johansson and Wallinder. The way I see it you've got an almost surefire top six winger in Mazur, a top four dman in Wallinder, a surefire bottom six winger in Hanas, a bottom pair dman in Johansson, and a middle six winger in Sodorblom. All with a fair to excellent chance of hitting their ceiling. That's pretty freakin' good for non-first round picks.

[Akakabuto 1,842]

I don't think its likely he's gonna reach it but Soderbloms ceiling is the highest among forwards imo because of his size. Mazur is definitely gonna be a legit NHL'er.

[Walman6million 250]

4 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

I don't think its likely he's gonna reach it but Soderbloms ceiling is the highest among forwards imo because of his size. Mazur is definitely gonna be a legit NHL'er.

Id agree, we might just have to wait till hes 25/26 to see him hit it. Buch and Lombardi also seem to have high cielings, but lower floors. 

[kipwinger 8,756]

I try to distinguish between "flashy" and "effective" in my mind when thinking about a guy's ceiling. Fans and hockey media types always conflate the two. To me having a high "ceiling" just means that you'll be very effective, it doesn't say anything about HOW you'll be effective. Without significant increases in pace and physicality it's hard for me to imagine Sodorblom being especially effective in the NHL in a top of the lineup role. To me he's a 3rd line scoring winger and powerplay specialist right now. Without significant increases in pace and physicality I just don't see him making an impact at 5on5. So I think his ceiling is higher than a guy like Zadina (bad at everything) but probably lower than a guy like Fabbri (a little above average at everything). Unless he makes huge strides in his skating in particular I don't see him being as good as Rasmussen even because you'll have to shelter him half the time.

Edited May 2, 2023 by kipwinger

[Akakabuto 1,842]

Hence why I don't think its likely he'll get there. But man, if he gets his skating together and just adds a little animalism(size takes care of the rest) to his game he is gonna be a weapon.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Ugh

 

[Akakabuto 1,842]

ffs

[kipwinger 8,756]

Huge opportunity for Johansson (and to a lesser extent McIsaac and Wallinder) coming out of camp.

[Akakabuto 1,842]

6 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Huge opportunity for Johansson (and to a lesser extent McIsaac and Wallinder) coming out of camp.

True, but I also expect Yzerman to look for a Marc Staal-type defenseman in free agency now. On top of filling that RHD2 hole.

Assuming both Hägg and Oesterle are goners.

Which they should be.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Not up on my sports injuries/science.

How worried should a person be, long term, about Edvinsson's shoulder?